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Reply #940 on: October 20, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.

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Reply #941 on: October 20, 2016, 04:41:48 PM
I have been uncharacteristically quiet about this election. because a) I don't support Hillary Clinton (nor did I get caught up in Berniebot world), b) I fucking Loathe Shouty McCheeto, c) I have been unbefuckingleavibly busy, d) I got tired of verbally sparring with GOP trolls back in 2012,
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That said, I am very relieved to see the percentage numbers of Clinton vs Trump, and even better for the Senate. A little toe mentioned the House my be in range as well. I'm voting, and then we shall see. Thank the invisible friend this is almost over!



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Reply #942 on: October 20, 2016, 05:18:45 PM

I have been uncharacteristically quiet about this election. because a) I don't support Hillary Clinton (nor did I get caught up in Berniebot world), b) I fucking Loathe Shouty McCheeto, c) I have been unbefuckingleavibly busy, d) I got tired of verbally sparring with GOP trolls back in 2012,
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That said, I am very relieved to see the percentage numbers of Clinton vs Trump, and even better for the Senate. A little toe mentioned the House my be in range as well. I'm voting, and then we shall see. Thank the invisible friend this is almost over!


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Reply #943 on: October 20, 2016, 05:27:16 PM

Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.


This is a jaw-dropping response -- no matter how you read it.

Are you really saying that when you post on this Board, we should not take statements of fact that you post as statements of fact -- "Trump announces," "Trump has just declared" -- but rather, take them as your personal opinion, your personal interpretation, your perception of implication, or what you deem as your "reasonable interpretation"?

Should we do this for everything you post here?

You frequently accuse another poster in these threads of resorting to bad logic, fuzzy thinking, lack of substantiation, and mistaking fact for opinion. How is what you wrote above not a perfect example of these phenomena?





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Reply #944 on: October 20, 2016, 05:32:16 PM
Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.

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Reply #945 on: October 20, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
I have been uncharacteristically quiet about this election. because a) I don't support Hillary Clinton (nor did I get caught up in Berniebot world), b) I fucking Loathe Shouty McCheeto, c) I have been unbefuckingleavibly busy, d) I got tired of verbally sparring with GOP trolls back in 2012,
and e)



That said, I am very relieved to see the percentage numbers of Clinton vs Trump, and even better for the Senate. A little toe mentioned the House my be in range as well. I'm voting, and then we shall see. Thank the invisible friend this is almost over!

It might be, but the percentage needs to be around +9 for that to happen. We shall see where the polls stack up in a week or so I guess.



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Reply #946 on: October 20, 2016, 08:04:34 PM
Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.

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Reply #947 on: October 20, 2016, 08:28:45 PM

Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.


This is a jaw-dropping response -- no matter how you read it.

Are you really saying that when you post on this Board, we should not take statements of fact that you post as statements of fact -- "Trump announces," "Trump has just declared" -- but rather, take them as your personal opinion, your personal interpretation, your perception of implication, or what you deem as your "reasonable interpretation"?

Should we do this for everything you post here?

You frequently accuse another poster in these threads of resorting to bad logic, fuzzy thinking, lack of substantiation, and mistaking fact for opinion. How is what you wrote above not a perfect example of these phenomena?





Hyperbole aside, my reasonable interpretation is the same as being giving by numerous political analysts and commentators.
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Reply #948 on: October 20, 2016, 08:41:27 PM
As for the strength of my assertion as to his declaration, I base that in his language and refusal to clarify, which in conjunction with his previous statements declaring the election to be rigged leads to the reasonable interpretation that should he lose he will not accept the results. With the broad and vague statement that he made he did not take the reasonable approach of reserving the right to challenge in close counts, but left it open to claiming an unfair and non-free vote.

He has all but accused the entities running the voting of collusion in fixing the election.

What he has done is tantamount to Henry II. Sayin within hearing of his nobles, "Will nonone rid me of this meddlesome priest?"



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Reply #949 on: November 01, 2016, 05:26:24 PM
I've been wondering how a guy like Trump, who seems to have a very limited vocabulary, could have graduated at the top of his class at Wharton as he claims.

So I did a Google search on Trump's GPA, and found that other students at Wharton barely remember him and that he skipped classes a lot.  Furthermore, a list from the graduation ceremonies showing those that graduated with honors and summa cum laude show that Trump is nowhere on the list. And finally, Trump has refused requests to release his academic records.

Remember when Trump was claiming that Obama was a terrible student without proof?  It seems that Trump was projecting his flaws onto others again.



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Reply #950 on: November 02, 2016, 01:03:55 PM
A news report in this part of the world tonight stated that Trump has taken the lead in one of the major polls in the USA....this is scary shit.......

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Reply #951 on: November 03, 2016, 03:25:56 AM
A news report in this part of the world tonight stated that Trump has taken the lead in one of the major polls in the USA....this is scary shit.......

Agreed. Almost as scarey as if Hillary wins. At least Trump doesn't want to steal all my beautiful guns.

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Reply #952 on: November 03, 2016, 04:06:36 AM
LOL!  That's funny.  I thought Obama was going to take all your guns away  :emot_laughing:



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Reply #953 on: November 03, 2016, 05:26:39 AM
The Grand Old Party is abbreviated as FUD, fear, uncertainty, doubt.


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Reply #954 on: November 04, 2016, 04:31:35 AM
LOL!  That's funny.  I thought Obama was going to take all your guns away  :emot_laughing:

Ain't never been skeered o' him. Believe it or not, I actually voted for him the first time around, before I realized what an ineffectual wimp he was. And, believe it or not, I'm a registered Democrat.

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Reply #955 on: November 06, 2016, 08:58:38 PM
From the author of Game of Thrones, George RR Martin:

A Simple Observation

Nov. 4th, 2016 at 1:51 PM

New Mexico has been a battlefield state in past presidential elections, most recently in 2000 and 2004, but Obama carried it easily both times, and of late it has been trending blue. So much so that until very recently it was considered safe for Clinton this time around, which meant that neither side was paying us much attention.

That's changed in the last couple of weeks. All of a sudden, it is thought that the Land of Enchantment is in play, and we're seeing campaign commercials for both sides daily, often hourly. All summer our airwaves were blessedly free of those, but now one can't escape them. Some of them are positive ads, about the wonderful things the candidates is going to do for us... but the vast majority are negative, attacking the opponent. Sadly, that seems to have become the default setting for politics in this 21st century of ours.

Watching them, however, a very huge and basic difference struck me.

The Trump commercials are all fairly standard political attack ads. You've seen a thousand like them. Find some bad pictures of the opponent, in this case Hillary, pictures that make them look ugly or angry or crazed (easily done, there are thousands of unflattering pictures of any public figure floating around these days). If they are not bad enough, put them up in black & white, which always seems to make them worse. Juxtapose them with negative imagery, maybe some out of context headlines. Use a faceless narrator's voice over the pictures telling us that the candidate is corrupt or a liar or "too extreme." The latest Trump ad manages to add Anthony Weiner, who is called "Pervert Anthony Weiner." The blatant name-calling -- flinging around words like 'pervert' and 'crooked' -- is not something we have often seen before in American politics, unless you go back to the 18th and 19th centuries; that's Trump's own original ugly contribution to lowering the tenor of political discourse. The rest, however, is Attack Ad 101.

What's notable here is that the whole thing is accusation. It's one side calling the other side names. If any political positions are presented, they are usually distorted. Smith says Jones is corrupt. Jones says Smith is a liar. Smith says Jones voted for something unpopular. Jones says Smith favors something vile. Trump's ads against Hillary tick every box here. They are made of assertion, innuendo, and name-calling, but there's no substance to them.

Clinton's ads are something else. Very different, and -- to my mind -- much more truthful. The star of all the Clinton ads in Donald J. Trump. There are no deliberately unflattering photographs, however. Nothing in black and white. Just video clips, full color, professional footage from news cameras at his rallies, interviews, television appearances. There's no name-calling either. Clinton doesn't need to label Trump as "crooked" or "a liar" or link him with "perverts." Clinton's ads just show Trump being Trump.

So what we have here is not Smith claiming that Jones said terrible things. What we have is actual footage of Jones saying and doing those things. No one has to accuse Trump of anything, he has laid it all out there in public for the world to see.

Yes, he mocked a disabled reporter. There he is, doing it.

Yes, he told Billy Bush he liked to kiss women without their consent and grab them by their pussies. There he is, boasting about it. When you're a star, you can do anything.

No need to accuse Trump of going into the dressing rooms of Miss Universe and Miss Teen USA pagaents when the contestants were changing so he could see them naked. There's Trump himself, telling Howard Stern about it.

Yes, he said women should be punished for having abortions. There he is, telling Chris Matthews. His own words, his own face.

Yes, he said he wants to ban all Muslims from entering the US. Here, see the clip.

Yes, he's in favor of Japan and Saudi Arabia and South Korea having nukes, here's the clip where he says so.

And on and on and on and on. The Gold Star family, the bad hombres, Judge Curiel, the Miss Universe contestant... his own speeches, his own tweets, his own words.

The usual pattern in election is that Smith says Jones said something terrible, and Jones denies it. Not so here. Hillary does not need to use the sort of hoary attack ads that Trump is using. She only needs to present him as he is, and let his own words condemn them.

And they do.

In my lifetime, there has never been a presidential candidate more unfit to lead this nation.

You don't need to like Hillary. You don't need to listen to what Hillary says about Trump, or what I say about Trump. You just need to listen to Trump. If you can do that, and still consider voting for him... well...

Pappy Bush lost an election by looking at his watch. Michael Dukakis lost an election by riding around in a tank. Howard Dean lost an election by giving a yeeeehah scream. Trivial things. Insignificant things. Trump, on the other hand, has said the vilest things any presidential candidate has said since George Wallace, and he's rising in the polls.

He has boasted that he could shoot someone dead on Fifth Avenue and still not lose any votes. I am beginning to think he was right.

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Reply #956 on: November 08, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
I voted.




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Reply #958 on: December 16, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
And they said Donald Trump doesn't have the maturity and good sense to pick his battles!

Trump Dishes Out Vanity Fair Tweet Tirade After Blistering Restaurant Review

The reviewer had wondered: If Trump can’t come up with a decent steak, how great can he make America?



President-elect Donald Trump has a lot on his plate right now, but he managed to carve out critical time to launch a food fight with Vanity Fair after the magazine published a scathing review of his Trump Tower restaurant.

“Trump Grill Could Be the Worst Restaurant in America” was the headline of the Wednesday piece, and it went downhill from there. The reviewer, political reporter Tina Nguyen, said the dumplings were filled with “flaccid gray innards” and the steak was “overcooked and mealy,” slumped against the potatoes like “a dead body inside a T-boned minivan.”

Trump’s “pledge to ‘make America great again’ suddenly appeared not very promising,” quipped Nguyen. Ouch.

But seriously, the food was “so bad” that Nguyen had to curl up in bed when she returned home “until the nausea passed,” she wrote.

The “allure of Trump’s restaurant, like the candidate, is that it seems like a cheap version of rich,” noted Nguyen.

    Is this the story that set @realdonaldtrump off this morning? https://t.co/Vnb9cvUmSh
    — VANITY FAIR (@VanityFair) December 15, 2016


Trump lambasted the magazine Thursday, calling publisher Graydon Carter “no talent,” and insisting Vanity Fair circulation numbers were “way down, big trouble, dead!”

    Has anyone looked at the really poor numbers of @VanityFair Magazine. Way down, big trouble, dead! Graydon Carter, no talent, will be out!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 15, 2016


The throw-down was only the latest in a long-running feud between Trump and Carter, who famously slammed Trump in the 1980s as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in Spy magazine (he had earlier noted Trump’s “remarkably small hands” in an article in GQ).

Trump has tweeted over the years that Carter is “dopey,” a “sissy” and a “real loser,” one of the president-elect’s favorite insults.

    Sissy Graydon Carter of failing Vanity Fair Magazine and owner of bad food restaurants has a problem-his V.F. Oscar party is no longer “hot”
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 2, 2014


Carter has tended to take the slams in stride, and he hasn’t yet issued a rejoinder to the latest Trump tweet. Carter talked about Trump’s “vulgarity” again last month in the magazine in a piece called “The Ugly American.” He recounted how Swedish model Vendela Kirsebom came to him “practically in tears” begging to be moved from her seat next to Trump at a 1993 Vanity Fair dinner because of Trump’s relentless ranking of women at the event and discussion of their legs and breasts. The publisher recalled that Kirsebom told him Trump is “the most vulgar man I have ever met.”

Vanity Fair currently seems to be taking advantage of the feud, touting on its website that it’s the “magazine Trump doesn’t want you to read,” adding: “Subscribe now!”

The Vanity Fair review is the latest example of criticism that has distracted the thin-skinned president-elect, who is apparently more concerned about personal insults than a spike in hate crimes in the wake of the election. He has repeatedly taken out time from a busy schedule to blast “Saturday Night Live” parodies of himself, and insisted the cast of “Hamilton” apologize for addressing Vice President-elect Mike Pence from the stage. Although Trump knocked Hamilton, CNN Situation Room host Wolf Blitzer pointed out on air last month, he “doesn’t seem to go out of the way to express his outrage over people hailing him with Nazi salutes.”

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Reply #959 on: December 16, 2016, 02:46:22 PM
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