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Reply #740 on: August 08, 2016, 07:12:35 PM
Standing Ovation as Trump's
speech concludes at
Detroit Economic Club.


This is the "live feed" and hopefully will allow one to view again.

Edit: Start at 19.30 for beginning of the Meeting, and full coverage.
Trump begins his speech at 33:38...[/color]
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Reply #741 on: August 08, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
And the promised economic plan is STILL yet to be revealed. But he promised us he will tell us in days, or weeks, or maybe years in the future. Tax breaks for those in the upper brackets!

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.


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Reply #742 on: August 08, 2016, 07:22:24 PM
Trump promised to cut taxes and keep spending levels as they are today.

Trump can't do basic math. The great business man want to operate the country at an increased deficit

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Reply #743 on: August 08, 2016, 07:53:49 PM
Cut tax rates, simplify the tax code, eliminate the carried interest deduction, all serious steps toward spurring growth in the economy, and increasing tax revenue through business and individual taxpayer prosperity.

Trump promised to cut taxes and keep spending levels as they are today.

Trump can't do basic math. The great business man want to operate the country at an increased deficit

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Reply #745 on: August 08, 2016, 09:33:34 PM
No. He said nothin about eliminating deductions. His skeleton plan would still reduce revenue.

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Reply #746 on: August 08, 2016, 09:37:56 PM
Very few economists will view his plan as anything but political hot air.

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Reply #747 on: August 08, 2016, 09:38:58 PM
Cut tax rates, simplify the tax code, eliminate the carried interest deduction, all serious steps toward spurring growth in the economy, and increasing tax revenue through business and individual taxpayer prosperity.

Trump promised to cut taxes and keep spending levels as they are today.

Trump can't do basic math. The great business man want to operate the country at an increased deficit

Yeah, that doesn't work. Companies are already making record profits. Taxing them less isn't going to get more money into the system. That's the polack version of economics. All that ensures is that companies will have more money and none will "trickle down."



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Reply #748 on: August 08, 2016, 09:40:52 PM
Very few economists will view his plan as anything but political hot air.

I don't get his thinking either. Giving a speech during the Olympics in a state he isn't going to win smacks of lack of political skill. Only the most ardent political wonks are paying attention right now.



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Reply #749 on: August 09, 2016, 02:43:23 AM
It sounds like more trickle down to me, plus it is guaranteed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.  It also does nothing to address increasing income inequality, and would actually make the problem worse.

I also believe that capital gains (over a certain amount) should be taxed as income, because that is what it is.



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Reply #750 on: August 09, 2016, 04:37:47 PM
Tee hee  :emot_laughing:



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Reply #751 on: August 09, 2016, 05:02:49 PM
Okay, did he say "And by the way, see Julies titties in Detroit?"

Seriously, what did he say?

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Reply #752 on: August 10, 2016, 03:42:45 AM
Stalwart: a loyal, reliable, and hardworking supporter or participant in an organization or team.

Reagan Republican: Trump is the emperor with no clothes
Frank Lavin

Editor's note: A former government official in Republican administrations since the presidency of Ronald Reagan, Frank Lavin is the CEO of Export Now, a company that helps U.S. brands sell online in China. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his.

(CNN) I had the honor of serving as Ronald Reagan's White House political director from 1987 to 1989, so I can claim some insight on U.S. politics. My central conclusion on the 2016 race: It might not be entirely clear that Hillary Clinton deserves to win the presidency, but it is thunderingly clear that Donald Trump deserves to lose.

From this premise, I will do something that I have not done in 40 years of voting: I will vote for the Democratic nominee for president. The depressing truth of the Republican nominee is that Donald Trump talks a great game but he is the emperor who wears no clothes.

Trump falls short in terms of the character and behavior needed to perform as president. This defect is crippling and ensures he would fail in office. Trump is a bigot, a bully, and devoid of grace or magnanimity. His thin-skinned belligerence toward every challenge, rebuke, or criticism would promise the nation a series of a high-voltage quarrels. His casual dishonesty, his policy laziness, and his lack of self-awareness would mean four years of a careening pin-ball journey that would ricochet from missteps to crisis to misunderstandings to clarifications to retractions.

This decision is not an easy one. I proudly served in every Republican administration over the past 40 years: Ambassador and Undersecretary for George W. Bush, Commerce Department official for George H. W. Bush, and several White House and State Department assignments for Ronald Reagan beyond the political director role.

I have seen presidents work with difficult people and difficult issues. It requires a blend of strategic vision and tactical flexibility, combined with optimism and good humor. A president needs the thick skin to ignore criticism and the management discipline to stay fixed on goals. Trump, on the other hand, manages to pick fights that are unrelated to his goals.

The most pronounced example in this regard was his tasteless criticism of the family of deceased Army Capt. Humayun Khan. We owe that young man our gratitude for the ultimate sacrifice. And we owe his parents our respect for the dignity with which they reproached Mr. Trump for his grotesqueries.

Less poignant is a part of the Trump story that ought to have particular resonance with Republicans: his four business bankruptcies, more than a trivial matter for a party that prides itself on thrift, sound money, and prudential management.

The bankruptcies reflect a man who either lacks reasonable business judgment or reasonable business ethics. By themselves, four bankruptcies are pretty bad. But four bankruptcies and a private jet is deplorable. How can everyone lose money in the collapse of a project yet Trump flies away again and again?

In the early days of my startup, there was a moment when I could have shut the firm, declared bankruptcy, and walked away from my obligations, but I have employees, investors, clients, and customers -- all of whom rely on my commitment. I have a moral obligation to stand by people who are standing by me. No wonder so many Americans are skeptical of market economics if the system can be so easily manipulated by Trump.
Keep Trump comments in perspective

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, one bankruptcy may be regarded as a misfortune, but four begins to look like carelessness. We can suppose that Trump has every legal right to declare bankruptcies and to walk away with millions. And voters have every legal right to vote against him for those actions.

There are many issues on which Hillary Clinton and I are not in agreement. However on the core foreign policy issues our country faces -- alliance relationships, security commitments, and international engagement -- she comes closer to Republican views than does Trump. And Donald Trump makes me cringe. I am voting for Hillary. And I vote in Ohio.

Note: The author is the brother of Carl Lavin, Vice President of News and Opinion at CNN Digital.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/opinions/reagan-republican-trump-no-clothes-lavin/index.html



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Reply #753 on: August 10, 2016, 03:43:50 AM
Several more announced similar decisions today.

Fresh batch of Republicans defect to Clinton

A former aide of President George W. Bush undercut Donald Trump’s economic address before it even began Monday, leading the latest batch of Republican defections by casting Hillary Clinton as the best candidate to grow the economy.

“Our nation faces a unique set of challenges that require steady and experienced leadership. That is why today I am personally supporting Hillary Clinton,” Lezlee Westine said in a statement to The Washington Post.

Westine, who served as the White House’s director of public liaison and deputy assistant to the president in the Bush administration, is part of the latest contingent of Republicans to cross party lines to back Clinton.

“She has the expertise and commitment to American values to grow the economy, create jobs and protect America at home and abroad,” Westine added.

Westine is joined by former Michigan Gov. William Milliken, who suggested a vote for Trump would be a choice to “embark on a path that has doomed other governments and nations throughout history.”

“I am saddened and dismayed that the Republican Party this year has nominated a candidate who has repeatedly demonstrated that he does not embrace those ideals,” Milliken said in a statement, according to the Detroit Free Press. “Because I feel so strongly about our nation's future, I will be joining the growing list of former and present government officials in casting my vote for Hillary Clinton for president in 2016.”

Former New Hampshire Sen. Gordon Humphrey said he would cast his ballot for Clinton if she were “neck and neck” with Trump in his state. But Trump, he said, is a “defective nominee” who is “deranged” and whose “psyche is sick,” and the Republican National Committee should replace him as the nominee.

“It would be the height of irresponsibility to give him the powers of the presidency. It would be an act of recklessness to give him the office of commander in chief,” he told MSNBC on Monday. “This needs to be said, and there’s a growing census in agreement that Donald Trump is mentally unfit to be president of the United States. And the RNC on that account, this week or next, should revoke the nomination and choose a candidate who is experienced, but at the same time, of mental soundness.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/lezlee-westine-endorses-clinton-226785



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Reply #754 on: August 10, 2016, 03:45:04 AM
Because we need some humor:

Borowitz Report
Trump Economic Plan Calls for Every American to Inherit Millions from Father
By Andy Borowitz , 11:52 A.M.

DETROIT (The Borowitz Report)—At a speech in Detroit on Monday, the Republican Presidential nominee, Donald J. Trump, spelled out the details of his economic plan, which calls for every American to inherit millions of dollars from his or her father.

“There are people at my rallies, desperate people, desperate because they want jobs,” he told his luncheon audience at the Detroit Economic Club. “Once they inherit millions from their father, they will never want a job again.”

Using an anecdote to show how his economic plan would work, Trump explained, “A man with zero dollars who inherited forty million dollars from his father would become forty million dollars wealthier.”

“We are going to make America rich again,” he said.

Tearing into “the failed economic policies of the Obama Administration,” he argued that children in China are inheriting money from their fathers at a much higher rate than American children are.

“We don’t win at anything anymore,” he said. “We don’t win at inheriting.”

Trump’s plan for wealth creation drew strong praise from his team of economic advisers, including Ivanka, Eric, Tiffany, Barron, and Donald Trump, Jr.



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Reply #755 on: August 10, 2016, 03:46:19 AM
I have never in my life seen anything even remotely similar to this mass rejection of the nominee from members of his own party. I cannot imagine that Trump could possibly overcome the rejection he has weathered this week.

50 G.O.P. Officials Warn Donald Trump Would Put Nation’s Security ‘at Risk’

Robert Blackwill and James Jeffrey, two key strategists in Mr. Bush’s National Security Council, and William H. Taft IV, a former deputy secretary of defense and ambassador to NATO, also signed. Mr. Blackwill, a former aide to Henry A. Kissinger, is expected to endorse Mrs. Clinton this week.

The letter underscores the continuing rupture in the Republican Party, but particularly within its national security establishment. Many of those signing it had declined to add their names to the letter released in March. But a number said in recent interviews that they changed their minds once they heard Mr. Trump invite Russia to hack Mrs. Clinton’s email server — a sarcastic remark, he said later — and say that he would check to see how much NATO members contributed to the alliance before sending forces to help stave off a Russian attack. They viewed Mr. Trump’s comments on NATO as an abandonment of America’s most significant alliance relationship.

Mr. Trump has said throughout his campaign that he intends to upend Republican foreign policy orthodoxy on everything from trade to Russia, where he has been complimentary of President Vladimir V. Putin, saying nothing about its crackdown on human rights and little about its annexation of Crimea.

The sharp split in the Republican Party raises the question of whom Mr. Trump will turn to for institutional memory if he is elected. The officials he denounced made plenty of mistakes, some of which they acknowledge and some they gloss over. But they are also the party’s repository of experience of economic, diplomatic and military strategies, both successful and failed. Mr. Trump’s own bench of foreign policy advisers has had comparatively little experience.

Missing from the signatories are any of the living Republican former secretaries of state: Mr. Kissinger, George P. Shultz, James A. Baker III, Colin L. Powell and Condoleezza Rice.

Mr. Trump met with Mr. Kissinger and Mr. Baker several months ago, and “I came away with a lot of knowledge,” he told The New York Times in a July 20 interview. But neither of the two, who represent different foreign policy approaches within the party, has said if he will endorse Mr. Trump.
Donald Trump’s Russian Connections

Donald J. Trump and Vladimir V. Putin have exchanged many compliments over the past year. We looked at the basis of the mutual respect between the two men who have never met.
By NATALIA V. OSIPOVA and STEVEN LEE MYERS on July 27, 2016. Photo by From left; Todd Heisler/The New York Times, Yury Kochetkov/European Pressphoto Agency. Watch in Times Video »

It is unclear whether the former secretaries plan to stay silent or will issue their own statements. But particularly striking is how many of Ms. Rice’s closest aides at the White House and the State Department, including Philip Zelikow, Eliot A. Cohen, Meghan O’Sullivan, Kori Schake and Michael Green, are all signatories.

“We agreed to focus on Trump’s fitness to be president, not his substantive positions,” said John B. Bellinger III, who was Ms. Rice’s legal adviser at the National Security Council and the State Department, and who drafted the letter.

He said that among the signatories, “some will vote for” Mrs. Clinton, “and some will not vote, but all agree Trump is not qualified and would be dangerous.”

The Clinton campaign appeared to be aware that the letter was circulating and encouraged it, but played no role in drafting it, several signatories said.

Yet perhaps most striking about the letter is the degree to which it echoes Mrs. Clinton’s main argument about her rival: that his temperament makes him unsuitable for the job, and that he should not be entrusted with the control of nuclear weapons.

“He is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood,” the letter says. “He does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous qualities in an individual who aspires to be president and commander in chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.”

Mr. Trump responded in his statement that his vision was “one that is not run by a ruling family dynasty. It’s an America first vision that stands up to foreign dictators instead of taking money from them, seeks peace over war, rebuilds our military and makes other countries pay their fair share for their protection.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news




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Reply #756 on: August 10, 2016, 03:47:32 AM
And another one bites the dust...

GOP Sen. Won't Vote For Trump: He Has 'Disregard For Common Decency'

Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said on Monday night that she will not vote for Donald Trump, calling him "reckless" and blasting his "constant stream of cruel comments."

In an op-ed for the Washington Post, Collins wrote that while Trump has connected with many Republican voters, "rejecting the conventions of political correctness is different from showing complete disregard for common decency."

"Mr. Trump did not stop with shedding the stilted campaign dialogue that often frustrates voters. Instead, he opted for a constant stream of denigrating comments, including demeaning Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) heroic military service and repeatedly insulting Fox News host Megyn Kelly," she wrote.

The senator said that she became "increasingly dismayed by his constant stream of cruel comments and his inability to admit error or apologize," particularly Trump's comments about those who "do not share his power or stature." Collins said this makes the Republican nominee "unworthy of being our president."

She listed Trump's attacks on a reporter with disabilities, the judge in the Trump University case, and the parents of a deceased Muslim American soldier as instances that confirmed her unwillingness to cast a vote for the Republican nominee.

"I am also deeply concerned that Mr. Trump’s lack of self-restraint and his barrage of ill-informed comments would make an already perilous world even more so," she added in the op-ed. "It is reckless for a presidential candidate to publicly raise doubts about honoring treaty commitments with our allies. Mr. Trump’s tendency to lash out when challenged further escalates the possibility of disputes spinning dangerously out of control."

Collins wrote that she had been hoping Trump would change and become more focused.

"But the unpleasant reality that I have had to accept is that there will be no 'new' Donald Trump, just the same candidate who will slash and burn and trample anything and anyone he perceives as being in his way or an easy scapegoat," she wrote. "Regrettably, his essential character appears to be fixed, and he seems incapable of change or growth."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/susan-collins-no-trump-vote



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Reply #757 on: August 10, 2016, 03:51:17 AM
The consensus of mental health professionals is that Trump suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  Who would vote for someone that obviously has such a serious problem?



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Reply #758 on: August 10, 2016, 04:11:53 AM



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Reply #759 on: August 10, 2016, 02:40:51 PM
The consensus of mental health professionals is that Trump suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  Who would vote for someone that obviously has such a serious problem?

Who would for Shrillary's?