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Reply #6020 on: November 26, 2019, 04:08:26 AM
Drama - Impeachment Vote By The House Of Representatives

Will the Speaker allow a Impeachment Vote of the full House in 2019?

Will 233 Democrat House Members (all) VOTE for Impeachment in 2019?

Will the Speaker decide NOT to ask for a Full House Vote on Impeachment?

While it seems an endless process for those following closely, even those only casually interested in U.S. National Politics can only avoid so much of the
current wrangling, as we "approach" some meaningful actions, and it is time
to consider how the Democrat Speaker Of The House will balance current
demands by some Democrats for Impeachment, with the reality of the now underway 2020 Elections, both the Primary Election, and General Election.

A Senate Trial will trigger a stop in election Campaigning by all Senators, for the duration of that Trial, for one item of interest. With a full Campaign now underway by 20 some Democrats (currently), including at least SIX Senators,
arrangements need to be made, or those current Senators will just have to put their Campaigns on hold for the duration.

Fund raising is also not allowed for current Senators, during a Senate Trial.

Seems Mayors, former Mayors, former Vice Presidents, will have a leg up.

So many decisions, so little time, eh?

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Reply #6021 on: November 26, 2019, 08:00:33 PM
We shall soon see Joan.



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Reply #6022 on: November 26, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
Yep, never dull in DC.

We shall soon see Joan.

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Reply #6023 on: November 27, 2019, 01:32:12 AM
Are you going to any wild holiday parties?



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Reply #6024 on: November 27, 2019, 01:40:04 AM
Are you going to any wild holiday parties?
Not sure about 'wild' but yes, will likely be working some parties as the Holidays come upon us. Near Spring weather here today. Expect NJ to be colder, windy as well, near the Shore.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving Holiday!

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Reply #6025 on: November 27, 2019, 02:22:42 AM
Wow, this place has gotten so much nicer since psi and athos and Katie and others are gone.  :D

You're downright adult behaving to each other.  :hug:

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Reply #6026 on: November 27, 2019, 02:37:50 AM
Ah, I don't live in the Party Capital that is DC.  We had our Turkey early at a "friends" giving.  No plans for the big day.  Maybe we'll both cook up something gourmet, just for us.



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Reply #6027 on: December 18, 2019, 03:31:52 AM
It seems Trump sent an angry rant denouncing his ecpected impeachment.  It stated no facts, just ran on and on in a particularly unhinged fashion.  I speculate it might even be entered as an exhibit in support of a new article of impeachment at some point in the future.

Trump is really delusional.  Does he even know what is legal and what is not legal?  I don't think so.  Poor guy.  It must be hard to be him.



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Reply #6028 on: December 18, 2019, 03:37:59 AM
It seems Trump sent an angry rant denouncing his ecpected impeachment.  It stated no facts, just ran on and on in a particularly unhinged fashion.  I speculate it might even be entered as an exhibit in support of a new article of impeachment at some point in the future.

Trump is really delusional.  Does he even know what is legal and what is not legal?  I don't think so.  Poor guy.  It must be hard to be him.

You say Trump stated no facts. He wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass.  Sound bites and tweets are the best he can muster.

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Reply #6029 on: December 18, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
The President stated his letter to the Speaker Of The House was necessary, for the historical record. No actual 'crimes' are alleged in the two charges on the table, for the first time in History of the Impeachment of Presidents.

Not being happy with how the President acts, speaks, conducts the Nation's business, and complaining he did not cave in to Congress on demand, rather referred the matter to the US Supreme Court to resolve, which is appropriate and SCOTUS affirmed that, by accepting the case just a day or so ago, which should fully negate the second charge on its face.

In any event, future Presidents will be expecting such treatment, and will have the precedent to inform them, when it happens. Voters will have their chances to rid us of the do nothing House and Senators up for a vote in under a year.

How many of the 235 Democrats will Nancy get to fight her battle? 218 seems assured, or we would not be where we are today at all... maybe a dozen more will walk the plank with her, Schiff and Nadler. We shall see.


It seems Trump sent an angry rant denouncing his ecpected impeachment.  It stated no facts, just ran on and on in a particularly unhinged fashion.  I speculate it might even be entered as an exhibit in support of a new article of impeachment at some point in the future.

Trump is really delusional.  Does he even know what is legal and what is not legal?  I don't think so.  Poor guy.  It must be hard to be him.

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Reply #6030 on: December 18, 2019, 03:53:45 PM
The President stated his letter to the Speaker Of The House was necessary, for the historical record.



His concern about the historical record was the only thing rational in the letter.  History will judge him harshly, and that letter will have the opposite of his intent, as it only adds to that harsh assessment.



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Reply #6031 on: December 18, 2019, 10:40:19 PM
Copied from ABC News:

After the House began debate on two articles of impeachment against him on Wednesday, the president tweeted in all caps: "SUCH ATROCIOUS LIES BY THE RADICAL LEFT, DO NOTHING DEMOCRATS. THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA, AND AN ASSAULT ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!"


I agree with the very last part of Trump’s tweet that the Impeachment is an assault on the Republican Party, a much needed one as a wake up call.  Too bad they won’t wake up.



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Reply #6032 on: December 19, 2019, 04:33:33 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/19/republican-outmatched-outwitted-outclassed/


I agree with Jennifer Rubin.  What I saw from the Impeachment hearings last night was reasoned, intelligent, thoughtful, calm and above all truthful statements by Democrats with Republican rebuttals akin to a 4 year old’s temper tantrums about fictional circumstances and affronts.  The state of the Republican Party is indeed sad, and history will not be kind to them.

You could see the pity in the tones of the Democrats as they addressed their Republican colleagues.  They feel sorry for them, and so do I.



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Reply #6033 on: December 19, 2019, 09:21:12 PM
All I can say, look who they have for a role model.


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Reply #6034 on: December 21, 2019, 08:51:53 PM
 
 
The President believes he's committed no crimes, but he's been pushing the boundaries of the laws so long without getting called out for it he no longer knows what a crime is.

He has long kept two sets of books, one for the IRS and one for the banks in order to obtain fraudulent loans and cheat on his taxes.  He's also found ways around laws that prohibit discrimination with regards to housing.  Laws are nothing to Trump, he considers them things to be found a way around for his own personal agenda.  He has engaged in fraud - Trump University anyone? - and other unethical pursuits on a constant basis.

In the impeachment, he seems to be claiming that obstruction of congress and abuse of power are not "real things" that are illegal.

Abuse of Power is codified as against the law under many names.  Acting "Under Color of Law" is one of these and is illegal, see TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242.  This includes acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties.

Also see: 25 CFR § 11.448 - Abuse of office.

Abuse of power or abuse of authority, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct", is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election.

The President used the power of his office to withhold aid from, and extort, Ukraine for the political favor of announcing an investigation into the Bidens on TV.  He never asked for an actual investigation, only that one be announced.  Clearly he was never concerned about corruption in general, contrary to his claims.  His clear goal was to obtain a personal political favor, and a thing of much value to him, in exchange for Aid to Ukraine, a thing of great value to Ukraine.

It is also clear that the only thing that stopped this from actually happening is word of the whistleblower complaint and the discovery of the conspiracy.  And no, we don't have to wait for the conspiracy to be fruitful in it's goals to be a crime.  We arrest terrorists for conspiracy to commit crimes all the time, we don't have to wait for them to actually blow something up.

As for Obstruction of Congress or Contempt of Congress it is clearly a crime
See https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34304.pdf

In this case Obstruction of Congress has been generally applied to the refusal of Trump to comply with (and rather to obstruct) subpoenas issued by Congress seeking to compel either testimony or the production of requested documents.

Trump has cited executive privilege (that has already been decided by the courts to not exist) in his willful Obstruction of a Congressional investigation.

Impeachment is the remedy written into the US Constitution for removing the President "upon a determination that such officers have engaged in treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."  I believe it applies to Trump for these crimes.




 



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Reply #6035 on: December 23, 2019, 06:05:39 AM
Lois-until it goes to the senate, nothing has to be done by the President. The house was only building a case against him. They don’t convict him. Nancy needs to send the articles of impeachment and stop playing around with the American people. Once it’s turned over to the upper house then he has to produce the things you think he has and answer for what you think he’s guilty of. We will see what happens



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Reply #6036 on: December 23, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
Yep, the house does the impeachment part and the Senate decides to remove him or not.

He probably won't be removed, we get to do that in next election :)



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Reply #6037 on: January 04, 2020, 07:57:51 AM
Tump's stupidity in foreign affairs has made it more likely that conflicts in the middle-east will escalate.  I hope this new email evidence will cause Senate Republicans to remove him. 



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Reply #6038 on: January 04, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Trump has no foreign affair agenda. He has pretty much turned many of our allies against us in a way that they may think twice about coming to our aid.

A more dangerous question is why are Presidents now calling the shots in these situations without first going to Congress? At least Trump could have notified senior members of both parties before taking this action.

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Reply #6039 on: January 04, 2020, 08:42:37 PM
Trump has no foreign affair agenda. He has pretty much turned many of our allies against us in a way that they may think twice about coming to our aid.

A more dangerous question is why are Presidents now calling the shots in these situations without first going to Congress? At least Trump could have notified senior members of both parties before taking this action.

He notified his no security clearance son Eric.