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Reply #580 on: July 15, 2016, 03:27:22 AM
He needs to go down and go down hard.  We need such an embarrassing loss that Trump will be forever discredited.



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Reply #581 on: July 16, 2016, 03:03:38 AM
I wouldn't give a tuppence for Trump/Pence.   :emot_laughing:

The disaster rolls on.


Indiana Governor Mike Pence is Donald’s pick for VP, so we figured we’d let you know the story of his egregious abuse of power at the expense of Hoosier kids.

Following two Republican governorships–privatization champion Mitch Daniels and his successor and current governor Mike Pence, aided by the Republican-controlled Indiana legislature–my home state of Indiana has lots of problems.

Among them is the sorry state of the public school system, which has suffered from budget cuts, privatization efforts which have predictably led to charter schools turning away students from marginalized populations, qualified teacher shortages, and attempts to address that shortage with shortcut teacher certifications.

Glenda Ritz, a Democrat, was elected in 2012 to be Indiana’s Superintendent of Public Instruction. She was a huge underdog–but defeated the incumbent because a majority of Hoosiers, both progressive and conservative, supported her willingness to challenge Republican proposals that would destroy public education in Indiana.

Ritz was the first Democrat to serve as Superintendent in 40 years.

Governor Mike Pence was elected during the same election. One of his first acts as governor was to remove Ritz from the union-centered Educational Employment Relations Board. The Republican-controlled House Education Committee then proposed a bill to “strip the superintendent’s position as chair of the State Board of Education. …The bill would allow Republican Gov. Mike Pence’s 10 appointees to the 11-member board to elect their own chair.”

In other words, as soon as a Democrat was elected to an influential state position (with 53% of the vote, higher than Pence received), the Republican governor and legislature set to rendering her office utterly without power and empowering themselves to oust her and prevent the reforms she was elected to champion.

The Republicans claimed their power grab, with Pence leading the charge, was merely intended to “clarify control of education policy.”

Which is quite an extraordinary euphemism for “seize unilateral control of education policy, in direct contravention of the will of the voters.”

This is how Pence does business. The much-derided “religious freedom” bill Pence signed into law–in a private ceremony, shut away from any criticism or dissent–was enacted despite the fact there was already a state law restricting same-sex marriage and in flagrant disregard for the will of the people, a majority of whom did not support the proposed legislation and actually wanted the existing ban repealed.

At the time Pence signed the anti-LGBTx law, only 28 percent of Hoosiers believed there should be no legal recognition or rights accorded to same-sex couples in Indiana. He was nonetheless content to do the bidding of less than one-third of the entire state, because meaningful democracy is of no interest to him.

As you would expect, Pence–who has bragged “I was Tea Party before it was cool”–holds odious positions on an entire raft of issues: He recently signed “a sweeping new anti-abortion law that combines some of the harshest attacks on reproductive rights into one piece of legislation.” He tried to block Syrian refugees from settling in Indiana. He opposed campaign finance reform as “unconstitutional” and Medicare Part D as an “unfunded entitlement program.” He’s anti-union, and naturally gets an A-rating from the NRA.

His positions are both contemptible and extreme, and his posture mixes the self-aggrandizing swagger of Donald Trump with the sanctimonious moralizing of Ted Cruz (whom he endorsed). In 2003, he responded to then-President George W. Bush’s proposal to send $15 billion to Africa to fight the AIDS epidemic thus: “The timeless values of abstinence and marital faithfulness before condom distribution are the cure for what ails the families of Africa. It is important that we not just send them money, but we must send them values that work.”

Under Pence’s “values,” Indiana has become a state in which the small town of Austin, with a population of 4,200, now has a higher rate of HIV than “any country in sub-Saharan Africa.”

Indiana is a place I love. Hoosiers are my heart, and have remained my heart, even when I lived abroad. Pence has turned Indiana into a place where 1 out of 6 Hoosiers (over a million people) now have to rely on food pantries and/or meal service programs to get enough to eat.

It’s easy to see why Donald likes Pence. But let me be perfectly clear: Mike Pence has not been good for Indiana, and would not be good for the nation.

http://bluenationreview.com/mike-pence-brazenly-stripped-power-from-an-elected-dem/



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Reply #582 on: July 16, 2016, 03:35:01 AM
Guess what guys! It's time to embrace the horror! Look, we got front-row tickets to the end of the earth!



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Reply #583 on: July 16, 2016, 03:41:08 AM
"Ask Not For Whom The Bell Tolls,.... It Tolls For Thee".

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Reply #584 on: July 16, 2016, 03:42:47 AM
"Ask Not For Whom The Bell Tolls,.... It Tolls For Thee".

Love,
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Reply #585 on: July 16, 2016, 06:54:13 AM
I fail to see how Pence helps Trump expand his base. True, his stances on marriage and abortion should help among the hardcore conservatives, but they probably turn away more moderates. The majority of Americans now favour gay marriage, and Pence's appointment nullifies whatever credibility Trump previously had among gay people from flipflopping on same sex issues. The hardcore conservatives won't ever vote for Hillary anyways.

But then again, it's not like he had many good options.



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Reply #586 on: July 16, 2016, 12:57:10 PM
I fail to see how Pence helps Trump expand his base. True, his stances on marriage and abortion should help among the hardcore conservatives, but they probably turn away more moderates. The majority of Americans now favour gay marriage, and Pence's appointment nullifies whatever credibility Trump previously had among gay people from flipflopping on same sex issues. The hardcore conservatives won't ever vote for Hillary anyways.

But then again, it's not like he had many good options.

It doesn't really. Although, I don't think Trump has the best team around him and they might fail to realize that. Trump is winning out evangelicals at a higher rate than Romney won. So it's clear that the social conservative base is already behind him. The people he is likely having an issue getting are the same ones he was having a hard time getting in the primaries. The Bush/Kasichl liberal leaning Republicans. Which as you pointed out, the choice of Mike Pence isn't a great option to win them over with.

I also imagine that they figure Christie's scandals and brash personality, along with Gingrich's baggage, and tendency for gaffes might make Mike Pence the safer choice. That might be so but I'm not convinced that's the case. Trump didn't properly vet him, that I'm sure of. He stated several times that he didn't think that was a necessity to vet VP candidates that hard. Since, in his words "The public will have already vetted him." So beyond the basic vetting I'm pretty sure they didn't look that deep into his past. Not only has he been in politics for 16 years but in the 90's he ran a talk radio show. What do you want to bet that the Clinton machine is going to find some real gems when they go through the tapes of those shows?



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Reply #587 on: July 17, 2016, 01:32:13 AM
Pence is well liked in Congress and his conservative leanings will help Trump with the Evangelical Christians, who are not too fond of Trump. 

I like what Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Maverick basketball franchise tweeted yesterday:  One positive business impact of the Trump-Pence ticket will be on the stock prices of self tanning lotion companies.

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Reply #588 on: July 17, 2016, 05:32:21 PM
Pence is well liked in Congress and his conservative leanings will help Trump with the Evangelical Christians, who are not too fond of Trump. 

I like what Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Maverick basketball franchise tweeted yesterday:  One positive business impact of the Trump-Pence ticket will be on the stock prices of self tanning lotion companies.


No, because he's already getting more support from them than Romney did. Where he is weak is the college educated (a.k.a Bush voters). This isn't likely to endear them to him.



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Reply #589 on: July 18, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
He needs to go down and go down hard.  We need such an embarrassing loss that Trump will be forever discredited.

One can hope. Although likely it will be closer than that. A loss bigger than Obamas for the GOP would be a great thing though.



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Reply #590 on: July 18, 2016, 11:35:22 AM



The animated gif of the logo is funnier.



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Reply #591 on: July 18, 2016, 11:36:07 AM
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Anyone who supports Donald Trump is a traitor to the American idea.

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Welcome to the 2016 Republican convention: a four-day celebration of the ritual suicide of American democracy.

With balloons.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46695/donald-trump-candidacy-american-democracy/

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Reply #592 on: July 18, 2016, 08:41:27 PM
Neither will I.  And I won't be watching the Democratic Convention either. Nothing of any importance will come out of either.

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Reply #593 on: July 18, 2016, 08:53:21 PM

Neither will I.  And I won't be watching the Democratic Convention either. Nothing of any importance will come out of either.



Nor will I. And nothing of any interest will occur at either.






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Reply #594 on: July 19, 2016, 07:40:21 AM
There's a big ado about her plagiarizing parts of Michelle Obama's speech.



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Reply #595 on: July 19, 2016, 07:55:58 AM
If you follow the link at the end you can load the on line version of this article. These quotations are all linked to supporting documentation, should you find yourself having difficulty believing that Trump really said what is alleged.

141 Things Donald Trump Has Said and Done That Make Him Unfit to Be President

How many times has Donald Trump disqualified himself from holding the most powerful job in the world? You be the judge.

It has been 13 months since Donald Trump announced his presidential bid and, in the same speech, called Mexican immigrants rapists. The ensuing drip feed of Trumpian absurdities and offenses has had a desensitizing effect. We know that Trump is a racist, a misogynist, an authoritarian, and a narcissist, but we’ve lost track of the many, many specific things he has said and done that disqualify him from the office he seeks.

So we have compiled a list of specific things that make Trump an unacceptable candidate for the presidency. Some are policy proposals that should be outside the bounds of debate, like punitive torture. Some are casual vulgarities, like his description of Rosie O’Donnell. You might not agree that each individual item on the list is disqualifying in isolation—you can vote those down, and vote up the ones you find especially egregious—but the list’s cumulative weight makes its own statement.

Disclaimer: Trump contradicts himself a lot. Not all of the policy positions listed here reflect his current thinking on a given subject. You’ll have to decide for yourself whether you find that reassuring.

1. Proposed to create a database system to track Muslims in the U.S.

2. Made fun of a reporter’s physical disability

3. Advocated shutting down mosques

4. Claimed he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks

5. Called for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

6. Questioned Ben Carson’s Seventh-day Adventism

7. Questioned Ted Cruz’s evangelical faith

8. Called Mexican immigrants rapists

9. Said a U.S.-born judge couldn't be impartial because of his “Mexican heritage”

10. Claimed, falsely, that President Obama “issued a statement for Kwanzaa but failed to issue one for Christmas”

11. Tweeted: “Our great African American President hasn’t exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore!”

12. Questioned President Obama’s American citizenship, bringing the “birther” campaign into the mainstream

13. Threatened to “spill the beans” about an unspecified scandal concerning Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi

14. Bragged about the size of his penis during a primary debate

15. Said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose voters”

16. Blamed sexual assault in the military on “put[ting] men and women together”

17. Said women should be punished for having abortions

18. Endorsed torture

19. Said he would force the military to commit war crimes

20. Called for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, five black men later exonerated of rape and assault

21. Urged supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies

22. Defended then–campaign manager Corey Lewandowski after he physically grabbed a female reporter

23. Said, “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her”

24. Didn't understand the phrase “nuclear triad” during a primary debate

25. Said of Carly Fiorina, “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?”

26. Called for the construction of a wall across the U.S.-Mexico border to prevent immigration

27. Advocated waterboarding as punishment even if it doesn’t help gain information, because “they deserve it anyway”

28. Called Rosie O’Donnell a “big, fat pig”

29. Founded Trump University, which a salesman called “a fraudulent scheme [that] preyed upon the elderly and uneducated”

30. Named and threatened former students who criticized Trump University

31. Described Fox debate moderator Megyn Kelly as having “blood coming out of her wherever”

32. Said Mitt Romney would have “dropped to his knees” for an endorsement

33. Called an attorney who requested a break to pump breast milk “disgusting”

34. Referred to 9/11 as 7-Eleven

35. Accused Hillary Clinton of “playing the woman card”

36. Tweeted “The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!”

37. Suggested that Bill and Hillary Clinton conspired to murder aide Vince Foster

38. Said that the U.S. military should withdraw from Japan and South Korea and allow those countries to defend themselves with nuclear weapons

39. Proposed to charge American allies for military defense

40. Named himself as his primary consultant on foreign policy

41. Disparaged Sen. John McCain's military service because he was captured by the North Vietnamese

42. Proposed a 45 percent tariff on Chinese exports

43. Referred to Tiananmen Square demonstrations as a riot and said the Chinese government’s response “shows you the power of strength”

44. Refused to rule out using nuclear weapons against ISIS

45. Didn’t immediately disavow an endorsement from KKK leader David Duke

46. Described global warming as a hoax perpetrated by “the Chinese” for competitive reasons

47. Told his security team to confiscate protesters’ coats and “throw them out into the cold”

48. Said about women, “You have to treat ’em like shit”

49. Proposed to change libel laws to make it easier to sue media organizations

50. Barred reporters from campaign events for unfavorable coverage

51. Said, “It doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass”

52. Pretended to be his own publicist

53. Responded to the murder of 49 people at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub with “Appreciate the congrats for being right on Islamic terrorism”

54. Refused to take care of his children, saying that husbands who change diapers are “acting like the wife”

55. Called Elizabeth Warren “the Indian” and “Pocahontas”

56. Suggested that Sen. Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy

57. Advocated assassinating terrorists’ families

58. Told a female contestant on Celebrity Apprentice, “That must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees”

59. Greeted a Miss Universe contestant with a kiss on the lips, which she called “gross” and “inappropriate”

60. Directed a female employee not to take lunch orders when visitors came to Trump Tower because he found her insufficiently attractive

61. Publicly shamed a Miss Universe winner for gaining weight

62. Advocated plundering oil from Iraq, Libya, and other oil-rich countries invaded by the U.S., in violation of the Geneva Conventions

63. Launched at least 15 business ventures that went on to fail

64. Filed for corporate bankruptcy four times

65. Sold Trump University and Trump Institute courses that relied on plagiarized materials

66. Hired a suspicious number of advisers who have done work on behalf of Vladimir Putin

67. Attempted to court Jewish voters with anti-Semitic stereotypes about money, influence, and dealmaking

68. Paid campaign money to family members and his own businesses

69. Refused to release his tax returns during the campaign

70. Has repeatedly done business with figures linked to organized crime

71. Included two anti-Sharia cranks on a list of five foreign-policy advisers

72. Praised Saddam Hussein for being good at killing terrorists

73. Refuses to sell any of his more than 500 businesses if he’s elected, potentially creating unprecedented conflicts of interest

74. Claimed he’s donated $102 million to charity, although journalists have been unable to find evidence of any substantial donations

75. Used contributions to the Trump Foundation to buy a helmet and jersey signed by Tim Tebow for $12,000 at a charity auction

76. Claimed he’s donated $1 million to veterans’ groups, although none received any money until reporters began investigating

77. Praised the U.K.’s vote to leave the EU because a falling pound would be good for his Scottish golf course

78. Wished for a housing-market crash

79. Subjected his then-wife Ivana to what she described in a deposition as rape, although she later said she didn’t mean the word literally

80. Suggested that supporters who attacked a homeless Hispanic man were “very passionate” and “love their country”

81. Said, “I think Islam hates us”

82. Pointed out a black supporter and said, “Oh, look at my African American over here”

83. Retweeted bogus crime statistics that wildly inflated the rate at which blacks kill whites

84. Advocated withholding free public education from insuffciently studious kids

85. Proposed to appoint himself U.S. trade representative

86. Kept a collection of Adolf Hitler’s collected speeches in a cabinet by his bed

87. Suggested that he might refuse to serve as president if elected

88. Repeatedly suggested that President Obama might be a Muslim

89. Said, “Refugees are trying to take over our children” by telling them “how wonderful Islam is”

90. Claimed there’s “no real assimilation” of “second- and third-generation” families from the Middle East

91. Tweeted an image that originated on a white-supremacist messageboard containing a star of David over a background of money

92. Took out advertisements alleging that the “Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented” to fight competition for his casino business

93. Attempted to seize and bulldoze the home of an Atlantic City, New Jersey, widow under eminent domain

94. Called the decision to put Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill “pure political correctness”

95. Questioned Hillary Clinton’s religion

96. Kept journalists in restrictive “press pens” on the campaign trail

97. Has insulted 239 candidates, journalists, organizations, countries, sitting politicians, and celebrities on Twitter

98. Repeatedly claimed, falsely, to have opposed the Iraq war

99. Posted a link to Facebook promoting the conspiracy theory that the Obama administration actively supported al-Qaida in Iraq

100. Falsely claimed that Ferguson, Missouri, and Oakland, California, were “among the most dangerous [places] in the world”

101. Claimed that American Muslims knew about the Orlando nightclub shooter and San Bernardino terrorists before the attacks

102. Doesn’t know how many articles are in the Constitution

103. Claimed a federal spending bill “funds ISIS”

104. Included the head of the white nationalist American Freedom Party on a list of California delegates

105. Falsely claimed he “100 percent” owns “the largest winery on the East Coast”

106. Has been a plaintiff in at least 1,900 lawsuits and a defendant in 1,450 more

107. Tried to set up an investment partnership with Muammar Qaddafi

108. Threatened Amazon as payback for negative coverage in the Washington Post

109. Defended FDR’s internment of Japanese Americans

110. Promised to deport U.S. citizens whose parents immigrated illegally, in violation of the 14th Amendment

111. Praised North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un

112. Didn’t know the meaning of the term “Brexit” less than a month before the U.K. referendum on leaving the EU

113. Earned millions from failing casinos by shifting the debt burden to investors

114. Said that “maybe” his employees should feel they have to return quickly from maternity leave or risk being replaced

115. Speculated about his 1-year-old daughter’s future breasts

116. Doesn’t pay his bills

117. Characterized the theme of his administration as “America First”

118. Fraternizes with avowed white supremacists on Twitter

119. Repeated a supporter who called Ted Cruz a pussy

120. Entrusted his health to a doctor who described his test results as “astonishingly excellent”

121. Praised conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, telling him, “I will not let you down”

122. Suggested the U.S. should reduce its debts by partially defaulting on them

123. Argued that the massacre at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub could have been prevented if patrons had been armed

124. Proposed a 35 percent tax on Mexican-made cars and trucks, in violation of NAFTA

125. Proposed to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants

126. Proposed to compel Mexico to pay for a border wall

127. Read out Sen. Lindsey Graham’s personal phone number in a campaign speech

128. Believes that he would “get along very well” with Vladimir Putin

129. Said that Black Lives Matter activists are “looking for trouble”

130. Believes the world would be “100 percent” better if Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi were still in power

131. Proposed to abolish gun-free zones

132. Claimed that the U.S. is being “ripped off” by its fellow members of NATO

133. Approvingly repeated a tall tale about a U.S. commander ordering the execution of Muslim insurgents with bullets dipped in pig’s blood

134. Proposed to have China assassinate Kim Jong-un

135. Said that Hillary Clinton “got schlonged” by Obama in 2008

136. Employed a butler who said President Obama should be “hung for treason”

137. Falsely claimed there have been calls for a moment of silence for Dallas shooter Micah Johnson

138. Said, “If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS … the pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been president”

139. Claimed that “the birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008”

140. Refused to condemn anti-Semitic attacks on journalists

141. Sued a former campaign aide for $10 million for breaching a confidentiality agreement

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html



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Reply #596 on: July 19, 2016, 08:07:08 AM
Nobody who is intelligent for sure.  ;D
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Reply #597 on: July 19, 2016, 02:20:09 PM
You didn't miss much.



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Reply #598 on: July 19, 2016, 03:58:07 PM

Melania, wife #3, speaking in heavily accented English, to the applauding xenophobic Christian GOP.  You really can't make this shit up.



Okay, I lied above. I did watch about an hour of the convention last night.

But I watched it like theater or performance art more than anything else. Setting aside the content, Giuliani's speech was a real barn-burner, and great political theater. Granted, he's out of his mind, and really showing his age, but as entertainment, it was top notch.

Melania Trump's speech was so platitudinous it made my eyeballs itch. She's absolutely gorgeous, and her Slovenian accent is rather sexy, but she had absolutely nothing to say that wasn't a platitude or trite cliche. Which is puzzling, since her speech was clearly written by professionals. I approached the speech with the outlook of, "I'm open to learning something about Trump as a man, a father, a husband, and a human being." Alas, she hadn't a single anecdote, story, or anecdote to back up her platitudes.

P.S. I read this morning about the "controversy" about her potentially copying a parallel speech given by Michelle Obama. To my mind, that's nonsense, chiefly because Trump didn't say a single thing of substance. The Democrats, to the contrary, should be rejoicing over her speech, since she had a perfect opportunity to humanize her husband -- and she failed utterly.



 


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Reply #599 on: July 19, 2016, 04:03:54 PM

Melania, wife #3, speaking in heavily accented English, to the applauding xenophobic Christian GOP.  You really can't make this shit up.



Okay, I lied above. I did watch about an hour of the convention last night.

But I watched it like theater or performance art more than anything else. Setting aside the content, Giuliani's speech was a real barn-burner, and great political theater. Granted, he's out of his mind, and really showing his age, but as entertainment, it was top notch.

Melania Trump's speech was so platitudinous it made my eyeballs itch. She's absolutely gorgeous, and her Slovenian accent is rather sexy, but she had absolutely nothing to say that wasn't a platitude or trite cliche. Which is puzzling, since her speech was clearly written by professionals. I approached the speech with the outlook of, "I'm open to learning something about Trump as a man, a father, a husband, and a human being." Alas, she hadn't a single anecdote, story, or anecdote to back up her platitudes.

P.S. I read this morning about the "controversy" about her potentially copying a parallel speech given by Michelle Obama. To my mind, that's nonsense, chiefly because Trump didn't say a single thing of substance. The Democrats, to the contrary, should be rejoicing over her speech, since she had a perfect opportunity to humanize her husband -- and she failed utterly.



 


This last week has been as bad as the previous weeks have been for Clinton. Trumps VP rollout was botched, the interview was terrible, Steve Kings "White people contribute the most speech", and now this. I don't think you can humanize Trump. People either like him or they don't. He is too divisive to win too many people over.