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Reply #500 on: June 01, 2016, 10:39:00 PM
It's becoming obvious to everyone, including the republicans who are seemingly stuck with him this election cycle, that Donald Trump, even when trying to be presidential, is a clown. He does not seem able to help himself. He is simply without a clue as to what constitutes reasonable behavior.

He is also drawing attention to his own history of fraud while trying to resurrect the non-scandal called Whitewater.

Donald Trump and the Judge
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD, MAY 31, 2016

Donald Trump’s presidential candidacy presents decent people everywhere with a dilemma: Sprayed with an open fire hose of schoolyard insults, locker-room vulgarities and bizarre policy pitches by the presumptive Republican nominee, they must make hard choices. Is this latest comment so outrageous, so much worse than all the others, as to require its own response?

Speak up too often and you risk sounding like a car alarm, so urgent and yet so familiar that residents no longer hear it. But don’t speak up often enough and you risk turning the unacceptable into the unremarkable.

At a rally in San Diego on Friday, Mr. Trump again steered his pirate ship into uncharted waters, firing off personal and racially tinged attacks against a federal judge hearing a case in which Mr. Trump is the defendant.

The judge, Gonzalo Curiel of the Federal District Court in San Diego, is presiding over a class-action lawsuit that accuses Trump University of defrauding and misleading customers who spent $1,500 for three-day seminars that promised to teach Mr. Trump’s secrets of success in real estate. Shortly after Mr. Trump’s rally, Judge Curiel ordered the unsealing of about 1,000 pages of the company’s internal documents. The release, which came in response to a request by The Washington Post, was standard procedure for a civil suit.

But Mr. Trump doesn’t do standard procedure. In a rambling, 11-minute stream of vitriol, Mr. Trump, who has attacked Judge Curiel before, called him “very hostile” and a “hater of Donald Trump,” and said he “should be ashamed of himself. I think it’s a disgrace that he’s doing this.”

One would think Mr. Trump, whose sister is a federal appellate judge, would know how self-destructive it is for any litigant anywhere to attack the judge hearing his or her case. But Mr. Trump is not any litigant; he is running to be president of the United States — a job that requires at least a glancing understanding of the American system of government, in particular a respect for the separation of powers. When Mr. Trump complains that he is “getting railroaded” by a “rigged” legal system, he is saying in effect that an entire branch of government is corrupt.

The special danger of comments like these — however off the cuff they may sound — is that they embolden Mr. Trump’s many followers to feel, and act, the same way.

For good measure, Mr. Trump added that Judge Curiel “happens to be, we believe, Mexican.” False; the judge is from Indiana. But facts are, as always, beside the point for Mr. Trump, who reassured his audience that “the Mexicans are going to end up loving Donald Trump when I give all these jobs.” (Presumably he was not referring to those he has promised to deport if he is elected.)

In a masterpiece of understatement, Judge Curiel, who is prevented by ethical rules from responding directly to comments like these, noted in his order that Mr. Trump “has placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue.”

On Tuesday, Mr. Trump turned his fire back to the media in addressing news reports that he had failed to give a $1 million gift to a veterans’ charity as he had promised in January. He said the donation had now been made, called one reporter “a sleaze” and complained that the news media “make me look very bad.”

Mr. Trump has said so many irresponsible or dangerous things so often and in so many settings that there is a real risk that many voters will simply tune out and his campaign will somehow be normalized.

So it is particularly important to note when Mr. Trump’s statements go beyond the merely provocative or absurd and instead represent a threat to America’s carefully balanced political system. This is such a moment. It is not too late for Republicans who revere that system to question how they can embrace a nominee who has so little regard for it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/opinion/donald-trump-and-the-judge.html



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Reply #501 on: June 01, 2016, 10:45:57 PM
Bernie is looking so much better than either the Donald or Hillary.
This election is going to be a disaster not only to America but to the world as well.

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Reply #502 on: June 01, 2016, 10:48:49 PM
Why a disaster, Liz? Who do you think will win, that makes it a disaster?

Bernie is looking so much better than either the Donald or Hillary.
This election is going to be a disaster not only to America but to the world as well.

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Reply #503 on: June 01, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
Why a disaster, Liz? Who do you think will win, that makes it a disaster?

Bernie is looking so much better than either the Donald or Hillary.
This election is going to be a disaster not only to America but to the world as well.

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Get back to me on this when I hear the state of the union address on about February 2017.

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Reply #504 on: June 03, 2016, 03:55:29 AM
Trump is not fit to be President.  He's a thin skinned bully that files trivial lawsuits aimed at people he is angry at.  He's also a crook and a sleeze.

Do you really want his finger on the button?  What happens the first time some other world leader pisses him off?



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Reply #505 on: June 03, 2016, 04:53:39 PM
Why Donald Trump Is Flailing
The GOP primary left him ill-prepared for the scrutiny he’s finally getting.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/why_donald_trump_is_flailing.html



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Reply #506 on: June 05, 2016, 03:00:39 AM

LAFFS!!!

Someone hacked the road construction signs last night out on I-30 in Grand Prairie.




Well, damn.  I guess they're not ALL ignorant cow fuckers out here!

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Reply #508 on: June 06, 2016, 12:17:35 AM
Lois, I must say, you read that much better than Hillary read it. Good job.

Trump is not fit to be President.  He's a thin skinned bully that files trivial lawsuits aimed at people he is angry at.  He's also a crook and a sleeze.

Do you really want his finger on the button?  What happens the first time some other world leader pisses him off?

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Reply #509 on: June 06, 2016, 09:51:18 AM

Donald Trump is a two-bit punk of a man who uses his inherited wealth to bully and intimidate others. He has the manners, morals and maturity of a spoiled six year old. He is a compulsive liar, a classless narcissist and a blustering ass. More than anything he needs to have his stubby little fingers slapped with a ruler, and to be sent off to bed with no dinner.

The media have reached a turning point in covering Donald Trump. He may not survive it.

The news media have come in for a lot of criticism in the way they’ve reported this election, which makes it exactly like every other election. But something may have changed just in the last few days. I have no idea how meaningful it will turn out to be or how long it will last.

But it’s possible that when we look back over the sweep of this most unusual campaign, we’ll mark this week as a significant turning point: the time when journalists finally figured out how to cover Donald Trump.

They didn’t do it by coming up with some new model of coverage, or putting aside what they were taught in journalism school. They’re doing it by rediscovering the fundamental values and norms that are supposed to guide their profession. (And for the record, even though I’m part of “the media” I’m speaking in the third person here because I’m an opinion writer, and this is about the reporters whose job it is to objectively relay the events of the day).

If this evolution in coverage takes hold, we can trace it to the combined effect of a few events and developments happening in a short amount of time. The first was Trump’s press conference on Tuesday, the ostensible purpose of which was to answer questions about a fundraiser he held in January to raise money for veterans’ groups. In the course of the press conference, Trump was at his petulant, abusive worst, attacking reporters in general and those in the room. “The political press is among the most dishonest people that I’ve ever met,” he said, saying to one journalist who had asked a perfectly reasonable question, “You’re a sleaze.” These kinds of criticisms are not new — anyone who has reported a Trump rally can tell you how Trump always tosses some insults at the press, at which point his supporters turn around and hurl their own abuse at those covering the event — but Trump seemed particularly angry and unsettled.

To see how the press looked at that revealing event, it’s critical to understand what led to it. It happened because the Post’s David Fahrenthold and some other reporters did what journalists are supposed to do. They raised questions about Trump’s fundraiser, and when they didn’t get adequate answers, they investigated, gathered facts, and asked more questions.

It was excellent work — time-consuming, difficult, and ultimately paying dividends in public understanding. And Trump’s attack on them for doing their jobs the way those jobs are supposed to be done couldn’t have been better designed to get every other journalist to want to do the same. They’re no different than anyone else: When you make a direct attack on their professionalism, they’re likely to react by reaching back to their profession’s core values to demonstrate that they can live up to them. Trump may have wanted to intimidate them, but it’s likely to have the opposite effect.

The same day as the press conference, a trove of documents from Trump University was released as part of a class-action lawsuit accusing Trump of fraud. The documents revealed allegations as to just what a scam that enterprise was: high-pressure sales tactics, nothing resembling knowledge being imparted to the “students,” people in financial trouble preyed upon and told to max out their credit cards to pay for more seminars and courses. Some of Trump’s other schemes may have been comical, but as far as we know nobody was victimized too terribly by buying a Trump Steak or a bottle of Trump Vodka. Trump University is something entirely different, and it’s not over yet; questions are now being raised about an investigation the Texas Attorney General’s office undertook of Trump University, which concluded that it was cheating Texans out of large sums of money; the investigation was dropped by then-AG Greg Abbott, who later got $35,000 in contributions from Trump and is now the state’s governor.

Plenty of presidential candidates have had shady doings in their pasts, but can you think of anything that compares to Trump University? A party’s nominee allegedly running a con not just on unsuspecting victims, but on victims specifically chosen for their vulnerability and desperation? It’s no wonder that you can’t find any Republicans who’ll defend it, in a time when ordinarily you can get a partisan hack to justify almost anything their party’s leader is doing or has done.

Then you had Trump’s continued attacks on the judge presiding over that fraud case. It’s unusual enough for a presidential candidate to be publicly attacking a judge in a case he’s involved in, but what’s most appalling is the blatant bigotry at the basis of Trump’s criticisms. First Trump would simply say that in addition to being biased against him the judge is “Mexican” (which is false — the judge was born in Indiana). Now Trump says that because the judge is “of Mexican heritage” he should be removed from the case. “I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest,” he says. Given all the other demographic groups Trump has insulted and offended, the natural conclusion would seem to be that only white male judges are fit to preside over Trump’s many, many lawsuits.

Put together this series of developments coming one after another, and I suspect that many journalists are deciding that the way to cover Trump is just to do it as honestly and assiduously as possible, which would itself be something almost revolutionary. If the tone of his coverage up until now has been “Wow, is this election crazy or what!” it could become much more serious — as is completely appropriate given that we’re choosing someone to hold the most powerful position on earth.

The change may be seen in ways both large and small. Yesterday, in a story about some of Trump’s remarks, CNN ran a chyron reading “Trump: I never said Japan should have nukes (he did)”. That kind of on-the-fly fact-checking is unusual, but Trump necessitates it because he tells such a spectacularly large number of lies. He also enables it because those lies are often repeated and obvious. So we’re beginning to see those corrections appear right in the body of stories: the reporter relays what Trump said, and notes immediately that it’s false.

Trump himself probably finds such treatment grossly unfair, since to him “unfair” coverage is anything that doesn’t portray him in the most glowing terms. But it is perhaps ironic that after all this time of wondering how to cover this most unusual candidate, Trump has shown the press that the best way to do it is to cover him like every candidate should be covered. That means not just planting a camera at his rallies and marveling at how nuts it all is, but doing the work to fully vet his background, correcting his lies as swiftly and surely as they can, exploring what a Trump presidency would actually mean, and generally doing their jobs without letting him intimidate them.

If they can keep doing that, they’ll bring honor to their profession — and I doubt Trump’s candidacy could survive it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/06/03/the-media-have-reached-a-turning-point-in-covering-donald-trump-he-may-not-survive-it/



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Reply #511 on: June 06, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
How does one spell Trump correctly?

H I T L E R.

The similarities are coalescing.

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Reply #512 on: June 07, 2016, 07:46:31 AM
I say again, I am not a Trump supporter. I always thought he was a jerk, and still think so. The best thing that can be said for him these days is that he is not as bad as Hillary, but still bad enough.

To pay any attention to how the mainstream media are piling on against him is merely to witness a fine example of how these agents of the corporatocracy will throw everything in their arsenal against anyone who challenges the supremacy of Wall Street.

If Bernie, another David against the all-powerful Goliath, were the front-runner, you'd see the same media crush on him. If you try to throw rotten eggs and tomatos at the emperor's carriage, you can expect the mighty forces of the realm to make you suffer.



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Reply #513 on: June 07, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
The media isn't going out of their way to pillory Mr. Trump. He opens his mouth and actually helps them destroy him.

 Watching trump give a speech is like watching a petulant 12-year-old with anger issues.  He makes ill considered statements off-the-cuff, he has no tact, he has no political sense, and if his statements that we should take him at face value our true, then we have to believe that he is a racist and authoritarian.
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Reply #514 on: June 07, 2016, 06:16:43 PM

To pay any attention to how the mainstream media are piling on against him is merely to witness a fine example of how these agents of the corporatocracy will throw everything in their arsenal against anyone who challenges the supremacy of Wall Street.


Nothing to do with "corporatocracy", Trump did it to himself when he stood in room full of journalists from the full range of media and ranted about how vile and despicable journalists are, including singling some out by name for personal criticism.

It's called "revenge".






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Reply #515 on: June 07, 2016, 10:21:35 PM
I think there's going to be a landslide for Hillary.  Trump has made himself even more detestable than I already knew him to be.

He has also provided an added boost to the Democratic Party:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-candidacy-sparking-a-surge-in-citizenship-voter-applications/2016/05/11/33808f34-177a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html



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Reply #516 on: June 08, 2016, 12:42:59 AM

To pay any attention to how the mainstream media are piling on against him is merely to witness a fine example of how these agents of the corporatocracy will throw everything in their arsenal against anyone who challenges the supremacy of Wall Street.


Nothing to do with "corporatocracy", Trump did it to himself when he stood in room full of journalists from the full range of media and ranted about how vile and despicable journalists are, including singling some out by name for personal criticism.

It's called "revenge".

We all know Trump is a megalomaniac jerk. As for the question of 'vile and despicable,' it's not so much the journalists as their employers and the parent organizations of those employers.






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Reply #517 on: June 08, 2016, 01:53:20 AM

Trump is part of corporate America. 



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Reply #518 on: June 08, 2016, 02:04:19 AM

Here, I fixed it for ya!


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Reply #519 on: June 11, 2016, 11:29:38 PM
Trump does not even pay his bills.  Talk about a crisis of character.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/?campaign_id=A100&campaign_type=Email

I suspect he lives on the float between his debts and loans, and whenever the two meet, he declares bankruptcy.  Word is that his campaign is short on cash right now, and he's meeting with the Koch brothers.