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Reply #4140 on: June 13, 2018, 03:16:19 PM
So Trump pulled out of the Iran agreement because it wasn’t strict enough, but the North Korean statement (note that it is only a statement, not a treaty or binding agreement) with NO inspections is. Triumphant success?

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Reply #4141 on: June 13, 2018, 10:37:13 PM
Imagine how Republicans, who uniformly condemned Obama's negotiations with Iran, would have reacted if Obama not only "elevated" the regime, but also breathlessly gushed about how talented the Ayatollah is, how he’d formed a "special bond" with the dictator, and how a White House invitation would be imminent...



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Reply #4142 on: June 13, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
From all of this one must conclude that Trump supporters, youcan’t call them conservatives, either are delusional, or just apparatchiks. Slavishly following party dogma regardless of the sense or ethics.
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Reply #4143 on: June 14, 2018, 01:28:08 AM

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Reply #4144 on: June 14, 2018, 01:29:08 AM

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Reply #4145 on: June 14, 2018, 12:41:56 PM
WATCH: Trump Insists Parents of Fallen Korean War Soldiers Begged Him to Bring Sons Home

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Yet, here is the thing. The math is not exactly in his favor.

The Korean War ended in 1953. While they technically could still be alive, it is unlikely that they are attending a campaign event calling for the return of their sons’ bodies.

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Reply #4146 on: June 14, 2018, 11:26:36 PM
New York files suit against President Trump, alleging his charity engaged in ‘illegal conduct’

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The New York attorney general filed suit against President Trump and his three eldest children Thursday, alleging “persistently illegal conduct” at the president’s personal charity, saying Trump repeatedly misused the nonprofit organization — to pay off his businesses’ creditors, to decorate one of his golf clubs and to stage a multimillion-dollar giveaway at his 2016 campaign events.

In the suit, filed Thursday morning, Attorney General Barbara Underwood asked a state judge to dissolve the Donald J. Trump Foundation. She asked that its remaining $1 million in assets be distributed to other charities and that Trump be forced to pay at least $2.8 million in restitution and penalties.

Underwood said that oversight of spending at Trump’s foundation was so loose that its board of directors hadn’t met in 19 years, and its official treasurer wasn’t even aware that he was on the board.

Instead, she said, the foundation came to serve the spending needs of Trump — and then, in 2016, the needs of his presidential campaign. She cited emails from Trump campaign staff members, directing which charities should receive gifts from the Trump Foundation, and in what amounts.

Underwood also asked that Trump be banned from leading any other New York nonprofit organization for 10 years — seeking to apply a penalty usually reserved for the operators of small-time charity frauds to the president of the United States.

In the suit, Underwood noted that Trump had paid more than $330,000 in reimbursements and penalty taxes since 2016. New York state began looking into the Trump Foundation in response to an investigation by The Washington Post.

But she asked the judge to go further, and require Trump to pay millions more. She said a 20-month state investigation found that Trump had repeatedly violated laws that set the ground rules for tax-exempt foundations — most important, that their money is meant to serve the public good, not to provide private benefits to their founders.

“This resulted in multiple violations of state and federal law,” she wrote in the legal complaint.

Underwood was promoted to attorney general only weeks ago, succeeding Eric Schneiderman (D) after he resigned following allegations that he had physically abused several romantic partners.

In tweets Thursday morning, Trump suggested that the lawsuit was politically motivated.

“The sleazy New York Democrats, and their now disgraced (and run out of town) A.G. Eric Schneiderman, are doing everything they can to sue me on a foundation that took in $18,800,000 and gave out to charity more money than it took in, $19,200,000. I won’t settle this case!” he wrote, adding: “Schneiderman, who ran the Clinton campaign in New York, never had the guts to bring this ridiculous case, which lingered in their office for almost 2 years. Now he resigned his office in disgrace, and his disciples brought it when we would not settle.”

The Trump Foundation has no employees. On Thursday, Amanda Miller, a spokeswoman for Trump’s company, responded on its behalf. She echoed Trump’s assertion that this was a politically driven lawsuit, saying: “This is politics at its very worst.”

Underwood is a career staff member, not an elected official. She has said she will not seek election for a full term as attorney general in the fall. She declined to comment on the case beyond issuing a written statement.

“As our investigation reveals, the Trump Foundation was little more than a checkbook for payments from Mr. Trump or his businesses to nonprofits, regardless of their purpose or legality,” she said in the statement.

Underwood said she had sent letters to the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission, identifying what she called “possible violations” of tax law and federal campaign law by Trump’s foundation.

Underwood has jurisdiction over the Trump Foundation because the charity is based at Trump Tower in Manhattan and is registered in New York state.

Trump has been president of the foundation since he founded it in 1987. In late 2016, he had promised to shut it down — but could not while the attorney general’s investigation continued.

Three of Trump’s adult children — Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump — also were named in the lawsuit because they have been official board members of the foundation for years. Under the law, Underwood said, board members are supposed to scrutinize a charity’s spending for signs that its leader — in this case, their father — was misusing money.

But in reality, Underwood wrote, the three Trump children exercised no such oversight. The board had not met since 1999.

“The Foundation’s directors failed to meet basic fiduciary duties and abdicated all responsibility for ensuring that the Foundation’s assets were used in compliance with the law,” she wrote.

Underwood asked the judge to ban each of the three from serving as a director of a New York nonprofit organization for a year. It was not clear whether any of the three are serving on the board of any such charities. Eric Trump, for instance, stepped down from the board of the Eric Trump Foundation after the 2016 election, and the charity was renamed Curetivity.

Although Donald Trump’s name is on the foundation, in recent years most of its money was not actually his. Trump did not donate any money to the foundation between 2008 and 2015 — instead, its largest benefactors in recent years have been wrestling moguls Vince and Linda McMahon, who gave $5 million total in 2007 and 2009. Linda McMahon was later appointed by Trump as head of the Small Business Administration. The McMahons have declined to answer questions about the reasons for their gifts.

The lawsuit shows that the Trump Foundation — which Trump founded to give away some of the royalties from his 1987 book, “The Art of the Deal” — looked, on paper, like other tax-exempt nonprofit organizations. It filed annual reports with New York state and the IRS. It listed directors and donations.

But behind the scenes, Underwood said, the foundation was essentially one of Trump’s personal checkbooks — a pool of money that his accounting clerks knew to use whenever Trump wanted to pay a nonprofit organization. By law, Trump wasn’t allowed to buy things for himself using the charity’s money, even if he was buying them from nonprofit groups.

At one point, during a deposition, a New York state investigator asked Allen Weisselberg — a Trump Organization employee who was also listed as treasurer of the Trump Foundation — whether the foundation had a policy for determining which specific payments it was allowed to make.

“There’s no policy, just so you understand,” Weisselberg said. The interviewer asked whether Weisselberg had understood that he was actually on the board of the Trump Foundation, and had been for more than a decade.

“I did not,” he replied.

With no outside oversight of Trump’s use of foundation money, Underwood said, the future president had repeatedly used his charity’s money to help his businesses, and himself.

Twice, for instance, Trump used the charity’s money to settle legal disputes that involved his for-profit businesses.

In 2007, he settled a dispute with the city of Palm Beach, Fla., over code violations at his Mar-a-Lago resort. The city agreed to waive outstanding fines if Mar-a-Lago gave $100,000 to a charity.

But the donation, to an organization called Fisher House, came instead from the foundation, Underwood said — after Trump wrote a note to Weisselberg. “Allen W, DJT Foundation, $100,000 to Fisher House (Settlement of flag issue in Palm Beach),” said the note, which is included in the lawsuit.

In addition, in 2012, a Trump golf club agreed to pay $158,000 to settle a lawsuit with a man who was denied a $1 million hole-in-one prize during a tournament at the club. The Trump Foundation paid the money instead of the club, Underwood said.

Both of those payments were first reported by The Post. In March, after the attorney general’s investigation was underway, Trump repaid his foundation all $258,000, plus more than $12,000 in interest, Underwood said.

Underwood also listed several smaller instances of what she called “self-dealing,” meaning Trump using foundation money to help his businesses. The charity paid $5,000 to place an ad for Trump hotels in a program for a charity gala. It paid $32,000 to satisfy an obligation of a Trump company that manages a New York estate. It paid $10,000 to buy a portrait of Trump, which was later found hanging in the sports bar at Trump’s Doral golf resort.

Underwood said Trump already had repaid amounts spent by the foundation, plus penalty taxes totaling more than $4,000.

In the case of the portrait, she said Trump’s golf club has now paid the foundation the “fair rental value” of using the foundation-owned painting as decoration: $182.

IRS rules also prohibit tax-exempt foundations from aiding political campaigns. But Underwood listed two instances in which Trump’s foundation had seemed to do so.

In August 2013, Trump donated $25,000 from his foundation to a Florida political group aiding the reelection effort of state Attorney General Pam Bondi (R). Around the same time, Bondi’s office was considering whether to join an ongoing lawsuit by Schneiderman, then the New York attorney general, alleging that Trump had defrauded students at his now-defunct Trump University.

Afterward, the Trump Foundation omitted any mention of Bondi’s political group — called And Justice for All — from its annual report to the IRS, and instead said the $25,000 donation had gone to a nonprofit organization in Kansas with a similar-sounding name.

Underwood said Trump’s staff blamed confusion among accounting clerks for the foundation’s money being spent, instead of Trump’s own. As for the incorrect IRS filing, Underwood wrote, “The Foundation has no credible explanation for the false reporting of grant recipients.”

After The Post reported on the donation to Bondi’s group in 2016, Trump repaid the $25,000 and paid a penalty tax of $2,500 for an improper political gift.

But Underwood alleged that the campaign Trump’s foundation helped the most was his own.

In January 2016, Trump skipped a debate among Republican candidates because he was feuding with Fox News Channel, the debate’s host. Instead, Trump held a televised fundraiser for veterans — drawing millions from wealthy friends and small-dollar donors, and giving much of it to the Trump Foundation.

In his deposition, Weisselberg said he was surprised to be told that he needed to go to Iowa on short notice, to have the foundation’s checkbook ready in case Trump wanted to make donations on the night of the fundraiser.

“I wanted to know why I was going to Iowa. I had never gone anywhere with Donald on any kind of — anything,” he said. But he told another executive to get ready. “He grabbed the checkbook. And later, we flew to Des Moines.”

Underwood said that, afterward, “the Foundation ceded control over the charitable funds it raised to senior Trump Campaign staff.” She cited emails in which Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager at the time, directed which veterans’ charities should receive money.

At one point, Lewandowski emailed Weisselberg to ask whether the Trump Foundation’s money could be ready to distribute during Trump’s last campaign events before the Iowa caucuses: “Is there any way we can make some disbursements [from the proceeds of the fundraiser] this week while in Iowa? Specifically on Saturday,” Lewandowski wrote, in an email cited by Underwood.

At one point, the lawsuit says, Trump gave an oversize $100,000 Trump Foundation check to a charity at a campaign event in Council Bluffs, Iowa.

The problem: Nobody appears to have told the Trump Foundation.

“This ‘check’ was given out (see video). This is not one of the charities we’ve cut a check to yet. Are there other charities like this?” Jeff McConney, a Trump Organization staff member, wrote in an email to Lewandowski that was cited in the lawsuit.

The check was later cut.

In 2016, Trump sought to excuse his foundation’s actions in a letter to the New York attorney general, saying that the Iowa fundraiser was a charity event. “This statement was false,” Underwood wrote, “because, in reality, the Fundraiser was a Trump Campaign event in which the Foundation participated.”

She wrote that Trump had repeatedly signed charity documents saying that nonprofit organizations like his were not allowed to become involved in political campaigns. “Mr. Trump’s wrongful use of the Foundation to benefit his Campaign was willful and knowing,” she wrote.

As president, Trump has repeatedly called for the repeal of the Johnson Amendment, a 1954 tax code provision that imposed the ban on political activity by nonprofit groups.

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Reply #4147 on: June 14, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
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Reply #4148 on: June 16, 2018, 01:04:17 AM

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Reply #4149 on: June 16, 2018, 01:28:49 AM

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Reply #4150 on: June 16, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
Column: Trump has no standing to bleat about celebrities who hurl ugly insults

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Use a particularly vulgar, sexist slur to refer to Ivanka Trump and you might get slammed on Twitter by President Donald Trump. That’s what happened to comedian Samantha Bee, who felt the sting of Trump’s social media lash when he wondered Friday morning why she hadn’t been fired for a remark she made on her TBS show Wednesday night.

Use that same vulgar, sexist slur to refer to Hillary Clinton, though, and you might get an invitation to the Oval Office to grip and grin with Trump. That’s what happened to right-wing rocker Ted Nugent, who was invited to dine at the White House in April 2017 in spite of (or because of?) his history of appalling remarks that included referring to Clinton as a “toxic (bad word Samantha Bee used),” a “two-bit whore” and a “worthless b----.”

Bee issued a complete and abject apology for calling Ivanka a “feckless (bad word Ted Nugent used)” in a commentary that was part of her weekly politically themed comedy program, “Full Frontal with Samantha Bee.” But I wish she’d included a reminder to the pearl-clutching, umbrage-taking critics that a president who has led the way in lowering the tone of public discourse with his relentless deployment of schoolyard taunts has no standing to castigate anyone over incivility or unseemly rhetoric.

Nugent is awful. He referred to President Barack Obama as a “subhuman mongrel” and a “chimpanzee,” and several times he suggested or intimated that Obama should be assassinated.

“Ted Nugent was obviously using a figure of speech, unfortunate as it was,” Trump tweeted when Nugent implied in 2012 that he’d kill Obama himself if he defeated Republican challenger Mitt Romney. “It just shows the anger people have towards @BarackObama.”

In 2015 Nugent wrote a column for WorldNetDaily in defense of the most vile ethnic term in our lexicon, saying the N-word “has historically been used in a powerfully positive way when describing the proud heritage and history of deeply respected, even revered blackness.”

Nevertheless, Trump featured Nugent at rallies and in campaign ads, then had him to the White House. And never, I might add, did Trump utter a remonstrative peep about the numerous T-shirts seen at his 2016 campaign rallies that referred to Clinton with the same particularly vulgar sexist slur that this week has him at least pretending to be in a lather.

That’s one reason to wag a finger but not to throw a rock at Bee for using the word to insult Ivanka Trump. Another is how and why Bee used that word.

New York Magazine writer Rebecca Traister posted an essay at thecut.com Thursday asking us “to consider why a term for female anatomy has become such a potent pejorative; why does a word that means vagina also mean ‘very bad person’?”

The same is true for certain vulgar terms for penis, of course, but none come loaded with the misogynistic baggage of the term Bee and Nugent used.

Traister went on, “Bee was not reinforcing or replicating the crude harm that (the word in question) has been used to inflict historically: the patriarchal diminishment and vilification of women. In fact, Bee was using it to criticize a woman precisely because that woman is acting on behalf of that patriarchy, one that systematically diminishes women, destroys families and hurts children.”

Specifically, Bee was criticizing Ivanka Trump for not publicly standing up to her father’s cruel enforcement of immigration laws that are causing young children to be separated from their parents at the border.

To put it in a way the president will understand, though her figure of speech was unfortunate, it just showed the anger people have toward Donald Trump.

So while Trump and others are grousing about the “double standard” that caused conservative Roseanne Barr to lose her TV show Tuesday for referring to a former African-American White House official as an ape, but has so far allowed liberal Bee to keep her job after referring to a present-day White House official with an ugly word, Traister reminds us that “context matters.”

She wrote, “Barr’s utterance mirrored and reinforced abuses being enacted by more powerful people against less powerful people, while Bee’s challenged those abuses.”

Still, “feckless” on its own would have sufficed. It means ineffective and weak, words that neatly sum up Ivanka Trump’s apparent inability to moderate her father’s worst impulses.

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Reply #4151 on: June 16, 2018, 09:10:16 PM

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Reply #4152 on: June 16, 2018, 09:25:36 PM
New York’s Case Against Trump May Be Prophetic

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The report released by the inspector general of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Thursday painted a vivid picture of the past. It shows that in 2016, James Comey, then the FBI director, inexcusably broke the rules in advertising his department’s investigation into Hillary Clinton while simultaneously following the rules in keeping its investigation of Donald Trump under wraps.

Trump has already mischaracterized the report, in the way Trump routinely does. But it’s unclear, ultimately, how much all this history matters politically.

For a more prophetic vision of the future, you should read the complaint against Trump, his children and his foundation by New York State Attorney General Barbara Underwood.

Why prophetic? Because it’s likely a preface to the report or complaint that special counsel Robert Mueller will bring. The alleged crimes described by Underwood are not similar to those being investigated by Mueller. But the behavior is.

One stumbling block to public understanding of the Mueller probe, in addition to a steady stream of propaganda and lies designed to undermine it, is that it’s hard for even a cynic to accept the premises of what is being investigated.

U.S. history simply doesn’t offer a lot of reference points for a major-party political candidate who so casually subverts the law and sells out the nation’s highest values. How many Richard Nixons are there?

To believe the accusations that Trump colluded with Russia, laundered vast amounts of money and/or put American foreign policy on the auction block in return for the enrichment of his family requires an awkward leap of faith. You have to believe this leader is both profoundly corrupt -- far more so than Nixon -- and staggeringly sloppy -- again more so than Nixon.

This is essentially the portrait that Underwood paints in the detailed accusations against the head of the Trump Foundation: that of a shady huckster who engages in “persistently illegal conduct” and is buffoonishly sloppy along the way.

To give credit where it’s due, the New York attorney general is building on the case built in 2016 by Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold, whose search for legitimate charitable activity by Trump’s foundation consistently left the reporter comically empty-handed.

What Fahrenthold detailed was Trump’s utter disregard for the law in taking in tax-deductible contributions to his foundation and proceeding to spend the money on his personal and business needs.

New findings, for instance, show that the Trump Foundation’s largest-ever gift — $264,631 — was used to renovate a fountain outside the windows of Trump’s Plaza Hotel.

Its smallest-ever gift, for $7, was paid to the Boy Scouts in 1989, at a time when it cost $7 to register a new Scout. Trump’s oldest son was 11 at the time. Trump did not respond to a question about whether the money was paid to register him.


Take a moment to savor that last detail. A man claiming to be worth billions of dollars -- and who certainly flaunted the lifestyle -- appears to have illegally diverted $7 from a charitable foundation to pay his son’s Boy Scouts registration fee.

Trump’s foundation is organized “exclusively for charitable, religious, scientific, literary or educational purposes either directly or by contributions to organizations that qualify as exempt organizations under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code."

Instead, as Underwood’s complaint shows clearly, he used it to pay settlements incurred in business lawsuits and to advance his 2016 political campaign. The foundation took in millions in donations for veterans. His campaign then directed the foundation to issue checks to Iowa veterans groups in advance of the Iowa caucuses as he sought to curry political favor.

How does Underwood know campaign personnel were involved in spending decisions? Because the Trumpsters are so recklessly contemptuous of rules that they left a trail of this blatant violation of campaign-finance law on their emails. At least one email thread included Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski weighing in on where he wanted the foundation’s tax-deductible funds directed.

The foundation also made a $25,000 contribution to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, who subsequently determined that fraud charges against Trump’s university were not a proper matter for her office. The foundation listed the contribution as going to a Kansas nonprofit with the same name as Bondi’s political committee.

“The Foundation has no credible explanation for the false reporting of grant recipients to the IRS and the State of New York,” Underwood concluded.

Trump will likely claim he was uninvolved and unaware. But Underwood’s complaint has that covered, too.

Mr. Trump, who was the sole signatory on the Foundation's bank accounts, approved all grants and other disbursements from the Foundation. Accounting staff for the Trump Organization had responsibility for issuing checks from the Foundation, and issued the checks based solely on Mr. Trump's approval before presenting the checks to Mr. Trump for signature

Indeed, the foundation’s board didn’t provide much of a check on Trump’s personal whims, owing to the fact that, in violation of the law, it “has not met since 1999 and does not oversee the activities of the Foundation in any way.”

It took the attorney general’s office months to investigate this narrow corner of the Trump universe – even though the evidence was lying around in plain sight. Mueller’s investigation is far broader and more consequential. His complaint may yet take a while. But it should be a doozy.

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Reply #4153 on: June 16, 2018, 09:28:41 PM
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June 13, 2018

California woman ‘in shock’ after ICE agents detain father, a legal resident, outside home
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The daughter of a Los Angeles man who was detained Sunday outside his home by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents spoke out this week about his treatment and the immigration policies that appear to target longtime, law-abiding residents.

Jose Luis Garcia, 62, was watering his lawn and having his morning coffee outside his home in the Arleta neighborhood of San Fernando Valley when ICE agents put him in handcuffs and detained him, according to his daughter, Natalie Garcia.

The arrest came as a shock to the 32-year-old Garcia, who said that her father is a law-abiding, legal permanent resident who came to the United States nearly 50 years ago when he was 13 years old.

He attended Van Nuys High School, and raised his family in Glendale, she said.

Garcia said she was woken up at about 7 a.m. Sunday by the sound of her father yelling her name. She initially thought he was experiencing a medical emergency, but when she came out of the house, she saw eight agents who she did not yet know were from ICE, arresting her father.

Garcia tried to get more information and asked to see the arrest warrant and if they had read him his rights. She said the agents responded rudely, did not answer most of her questions, and told her they did not have to show her the warrant. They told her that it was not a criminal warrant, but an administrative one.

“I didn’t know they were ICE at that moment,” Garcia said. “It just happened so fast and there were so many of them. I was so confused.”

After the agents had left with her father, it was only then that she saw the coffee cup that he had dropped when he was being arrested. She then looked down at the card the agents had given her and finally realized the agents were from ICE.

“I dropped to the floor in shock, because I didn’t ever expect this,” Garcia said.

Garcia said that she had followed news about the arrests of immigrants who were in the country illegally, but it had not occurred to her that something similar could happen to her own family.

“My dad was comfortable,” she said. “There was no reason for my dad not to get his citizenship. It was just the awareness. He was just too comfortable. He’s a homeowner who pays his taxes.”

“That’s why I urge people to look into your rights and get citizenship if you are able to,” she said.

Garcia said her father has a conviction for a misdemeanor stemming from a domestic violence dispute with her mother that occurred 18 years ago. Her father completed his sentence for that conviction, which was anger management classes and reporting to probation, she said.

ICE officials confirmed in a statement that Garcia, who is a citizen of Mexico, was arrested by deportation officers on Sunday.

“Databases reveal that Mr. Garcia has past criminal convictions that make him amenable to removal from the United States,” the statement said. “Mr. Garcia is currently in ICE custody pending removal proceedings, where an immigration judge with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) will determine whether or not he has a lawful basis to remain in the United States.”

ICE officials would not confirm or reveal details about the nature of the “past criminal convictions,” citing confidentiality reasons.

Garcia said she has been able to visit her father at the Theo Lacy detention facility in Orange County since his arrest, and was able to bring medication to him and talk with him.

“He is obviously devastated and in shock right now,” she said.

Garcia said that after her father was taken away on Sunday, she felt like a “sitting duck,” but wanted to do something about it. She reached out to media because she wanted to bring greater awareness to what happened to her father, because she felt that not many may realize it could happen to them as well.

“His case was closed, but they’re bringing up everybody’s past,” she said. “If you’re going to flag people and call them criminals, and you’re looking at everyone’s background, I think they should be aware of that.”

“You’re digging into people’s past, not looking at your record now, or what’s happening right now at this moment,” she said. “That should be known.”

Garcia said her father being detained so suddenly is disruptive to their family in many ways, including the fact that he is helping to care for and serve as a role model to her six-year-old daughter.

“For me, it’s devastating,” she said. “Because of him, I’m able to work a full-time job. I was able to go back to school and do my career the way that I want.”

“Having to explain that to my daughter, is devastating — that grandpa is not here,” she said.

Michael Kaufman, a senior staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, said the incident appears to fit a pattern under the Trump administration of detaining people with old, minor convictions.

“This is … a misdemeanor from two decades ago for which he’s completed his sentence,” Kaufman, who briefly spoke to Natalie Garcia but is not representing the family, said. “From what we know of this story, this is not an individual that presents a threat to anyone.”

Kaufman noted that the current administration no longer prioritizes targeting people with serious criminal convictions.

“It’s part of a pattern that we’ve seen of rounding up people who are longstanding members of our community who have family here and settled lives here and their lives are turned upside down because they may have committed some misdemeanor deep in their past,” Kaufman said.
Garcia will have an opportunity in immigration court to raise a defense against his removal from the country. But because the immigration courts are severely backlogged, that could take many months and in some cases, years to resolve, Kaufman said.Garcia may be eligible to be released on bond while his claims are being heard, he added.

Kaufman said it wasn’t clear to him why ICE officials decided to target this man two decades later.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/13/california-woman-in-shock-after-ice-agents-detain-father-a-legal-resident-outside-home



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Reply #4154 on: June 16, 2018, 11:43:24 PM
Exactly what criminal behavior should each Criminal Alien be allowed, instead of following The Law as it exists today, and has existed for many years?

I trust this criminal alien has a legit social security number, pays his income taxes in a timely manner, is not receiving undue money from any Government program to which he is not and has not been eligible, and no further charges, such as Identity Theft, or Voting, are able to be brought against him.

Which other criminals should not be held to account for misdeeds committed?
If this is all a mistake, and he is not eligible for deportation, his case will be sorted out in due course. One reason for sending multiple Agents when making such arrests is for the protection of the general public, and the Agents, as a way to discourage resistance. Some criminal aliens do physically resist arrest.

Domestic Violence is one crime no Criminal Alien should receive a PASS about, I believe we can all agree. Law breaking by non-citizens is a valid reason for removal from the Country. Non citizens should be concerned, and making the appropriate arrangements to get their affairs in order, so when they are held to account, their families are prepared to continue their lawful residence here.

Sounds like this criminal alien may own property, which he could put up for sale if it has value, so as to pay for his legal representation to delay deportation and/or so as to provide for the well being of his legal resident heirs and relatives.

Two decades without addressing the status of his Residency, following arrest for a domestic violence event, is a sufficient time period for anyone to have made arrangements regarding getting legal, or being prepared to return to his home country. He is a citizen of Mexico, according to the story provided.


Under Trump, ICE has a mandate to round up as many brown people as they can using whatever excuse they can find.

June 13, 2018

California woman ‘in shock’ after ICE agents detain father, a legal resident, outside home
By ELIZABETH CHOU and BRENDA GAZZAR

The daughter of a Los Angeles man who was detained Sunday outside his home by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents spoke out this week about his treatment and the immigration policies that appear to target longtime, law-abiding residents.

Jose Luis Garcia, 62, was watering his lawn and having his morning coffee outside his home in the Arleta neighborhood of San Fernando Valley when ICE agents put him in handcuffs and detained him, according to his daughter, Natalie Garcia.

The arrest came as a shock to the 32-year-old Garcia, who said that her father is a law-abiding, legal permanent resident who came to the United States nearly 50 years ago when he was 13 years old.

He attended Van Nuys High School, and raised his family in Glendale, she said.

Garcia said she was woken up at about 7 a.m. Sunday by the sound of her father yelling her name. She initially thought he was experiencing a medical emergency, but when she came out of the house, she saw eight agents who she did not yet know were from ICE, arresting her father.

Garcia tried to get more information and asked to see the arrest warrant and if they had read him his rights. She said the agents responded rudely, did not answer most of her questions, and told her they did not have to show her the warrant. They told her that it was not a criminal warrant, but an administrative one.

“I didn’t know they were ICE at that moment,” Garcia said. “It just happened so fast and there were so many of them. I was so confused.”

After the agents had left with her father, it was only then that she saw the coffee cup that he had dropped when he was being arrested. She then looked down at the card the agents had given her and finally realized the agents were from ICE.

“I dropped to the floor in shock, because I didn’t ever expect this,” Garcia said.

Garcia said that she had followed news about the arrests of immigrants who were in the country illegally, but it had not occurred to her that something similar could happen to her own family.

“My dad was comfortable,” she said. “There was no reason for my dad not to get his citizenship. It was just the awareness. He was just too comfortable. He’s a homeowner who pays his taxes.”

“That’s why I urge people to look into your rights and get citizenship if you are able to,” she said.

Garcia said her father has a conviction for a misdemeanor stemming from a domestic violence dispute with her mother that occurred 18 years ago. Her father completed his sentence for that conviction, which was anger management classes and reporting to probation, she said.

ICE officials confirmed in a statement that Garcia, who is a citizen of Mexico, was arrested by deportation officers on Sunday.

“Databases reveal that Mr. Garcia has past criminal convictions that make him amenable to removal from the United States,” the statement said. “Mr. Garcia is currently in ICE custody pending removal proceedings, where an immigration judge with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) will determine whether or not he has a lawful basis to remain in the United States.”

ICE officials would not confirm or reveal details about the nature of the “past criminal convictions,” citing confidentiality reasons.

Garcia said she has been able to visit her father at the Theo Lacy detention facility in Orange County since his arrest, and was able to bring medication to him and talk with him.

“He is obviously devastated and in shock right now,” she said.

Garcia said that after her father was taken away on Sunday, she felt like a “sitting duck,” but wanted to do something about it. She reached out to media because she wanted to bring greater awareness to what happened to her father, because she felt that not many may realize it could happen to them as well.

“His case was closed, but they’re bringing up everybody’s past,” she said. “If you’re going to flag people and call them criminals, and you’re looking at everyone’s background, I think they should be aware of that.”

“You’re digging into people’s past, not looking at your record now, or what’s happening right now at this moment,” she said. “That should be known.”

Garcia said her father being detained so suddenly is disruptive to their family in many ways, including the fact that he is helping to care for and serve as a role model to her six-year-old daughter.

“For me, it’s devastating,” she said. “Because of him, I’m able to work a full-time job. I was able to go back to school and do my career the way that I want.”

“Having to explain that to my daughter, is devastating — that grandpa is not here,” she said.

Michael Kaufman, a senior staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, said the incident appears to fit a pattern under the Trump administration of detaining people with old, minor convictions.

“This is … a misdemeanor from two decades ago for which he’s completed his sentence,” Kaufman, who briefly spoke to Natalie Garcia but is not representing the family, said. “From what we know of this story, this is not an individual that presents a threat to anyone.”

Kaufman noted that the current administration no longer prioritizes targeting people with serious criminal convictions.

“It’s part of a pattern that we’ve seen of rounding up people who are longstanding members of our community who have family here and settled lives here and their lives are turned upside down because they may have committed some misdemeanor deep in their past,” Kaufman said.
Garcia will have an opportunity in immigration court to raise a defense against his removal from the country. But because the immigration courts are severely backlogged, that could take many months and in some cases, years to resolve, Kaufman said.Garcia may be eligible to be released on bond while his claims are being heard, he added.

Kaufman said it wasn’t clear to him why ICE officials decided to target this man two decades later.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/13/california-woman-in-shock-after-ice-agents-detain-father-a-legal-resident-outside-home
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Reply #4155 on: June 17, 2018, 04:35:50 AM
@ Joan:

He had a green card.  He is a legal resident of the USA.  As for the domestic dispute, who knows what it was about? He might have simply moved her from blocking the door so he leave and cool down.  Either way, it was 20 years ago and he served the punishment the judge thought appropriate.  It was a misdemeanor, and not a felony.  That should tell you a lot.

But it is really about getting brown people out of the country, right?  Legal status is not really the issue for you.  And yeah, I'm not surprised you would be for seizing a person's property on top of everything else.

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Reply #4156 on: June 17, 2018, 07:14:52 AM
  Who said anything about his property, other than he could sell his property NOW, before he needs to sell it at bargain basement prices, to pay legal fees, or to finance his trip home to Mexico, pay for his children, grand children's education, other important matters, while he still maintains some control.

  He obviously was on a list, eligible for deportation, for whatever reason, so he should spend whatever it takes to straighten that out, or be prepared to go to the degree possible.

  Stuff happens. Life is a bitch, and then you die. Not a citizen, is subject to whatever they have on him, needs to answer why he should not be deported, seems at this point, and pay the costs needed to resolve his situation.

  He got 20 good years here, maybe can enlighten ICE and the Judge. No matter what color he happens to be, his legal status is what is in jeopardy, and he needs to step up and fix that, or begin practicing his Mexican life skills.

  Maybe his daughter and her children will wish to go with him, you know, to keep the family together. Seems important enough to her to call the media, rather than to hire a Immigration Attorney, as a first step.

  Perhaps the NY Times will ride to the rescue... maybe he needs no help...

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Reply #4157 on: June 17, 2018, 07:17:27 AM
  Who said anything about his property, other than he could sell his property NOW, before he needs to sell it at bargain basement prices, to pay legal fees

You know who's having trouble paying his legal fees?

Michael Cohen.   :emot_laughing:

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Reply #4158 on: June 17, 2018, 07:19:01 AM
  Who said anything about his property, other than he could sell his property NOW, before he needs to sell it at bargain basement prices, to pay legal fees.

Maybe he should take advice from the Trump Organization and use a charity to pay for legal fees.

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Reply #4159 on: June 17, 2018, 07:24:00 AM
  Who said anything about his property, other than he could sell his property NOW, before he needs to sell it at bargain basement prices, to pay legal fees,

Flynn forced to sell his house to pay his legal bills

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