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Reply #3780 on: February 05, 2018, 11:33:51 PM
If we are to believe Trump, he is responsible for the high value on the stock market. I guess that means that the 4% drop in value on the stock market today is due to Trump and his policies.

It doesn’t work that way Katiebee.  Anything positive even if it has been improving long before current administration is due to the great and glorious Trump (even if he’s made no changes in that area).  Anything negative or bad even if it just happened, well that’s Obama’s fault.



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Reply #3781 on: February 05, 2018, 11:34:27 PM
The market goes up, and the market goes down.

What is responsible for the Market being it's highest ever, UP even after this move, over 6000 points since Trump's election, is the HOPE his election represents, for rational regulation, tax reduction, reform, repatriation of overseas Corporate earnings, and general pro America decision making in Washington, DC, for a desired change.

These corrections, from UP 7000+ to UP 6000 plus, are blips, necessary and expected, if not expected by date, then by historical variation. Long term is the key to success in market investment, and diversity in stocks you buy.

Today is a buying opportunity.

How is your 401K doing, Katiebee? Trump effect been good to you, I expect.


If we are to believe Trump, he is responsible for the high value on the stock market. I guess that means that the 4% drop in value on the stock market today is due to Trump and his policies.
We are talking about the big mouth of Trump that doesn’t ever stop claoming credit for everything good, but ignores the opposite. It doesn’t work that way.

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Reply #3782 on: February 05, 2018, 11:56:11 PM
If we are to believe Trump, he is responsible for the high value on the stock market. I guess that means that the 4% drop in value on the stock market today is due to Trump and his policies.

It doesn’t work that way Katiebee.  Anything positive even if it has been improving long before current administration is due to the great and glorious Trump (even if he’s made no changes in that area).  Anything negative or bad even if it just happened, well that’s Obama’s fault.

I thought it was all Bush's fault.
Wasn't he to blame for everything...??
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Reply #3783 on: February 05, 2018, 11:56:30 PM
 "  Russia,  Russia , Russia  "

A (so far) complete timeline of the investigation into Trump and Russia

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Before the election
January 2013
Energy industry consultant Carter Page meets a man named Victor Podobnyy at a conference in New York and begins sharing with him “basic immaterial information and publicly available research documents” (in Page’s words). Podobnyy was an officer with Russia’s foreign intelligence service and is later charged with being an agent of the Russian government.

June 2013
The FBI interviews Page after Podobnyy is recorded by U.S. intelligence officials identifying Page as a possible target for recruitment. “It’s obvious that he wants to earn lots of money,” Podobnyy says of Page.

Aug. 25, 2013
In a letter sent to a publisher making the case for his expertise on Russia, Page writes, “Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda.”

Sept. 4, 2013
James B. Comey becomes director of the FBI, replacing Robert S. Mueller III.

Nov. 9, 2013
The Miss Universe pageant, at this point part of the Trump Organization, is held in Moscow. The event’s location was secured thanks to licensing fees of nearly $20 million paid by a Moscow real estate development firm called the Crocus Group. Its president is a man named Aras Agalarov. Agalarov’s son, Emin, is a vice president of Crocus Group and a pop singer.

April 2015
Former Defense Intelligence Agency head Michael Flynn begins advising ACU Strategic Partners, a company that seeks to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East in partnership with a sanctioned Russian company.

June 16, 2015
Donald Trump announces his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination.

July 24, 2015
Rob Goldstone, publicist for Emin Agalarov, emails Trump’s assistant to offer to set up a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. There’s no indication the Trump team explored the offer.

Summer 2015
Hackers believed to be linked to the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) gain access to the network of the Democratic National Committee, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.

September 2015
An associate of Trump’s named Felix Sater reaches out to the Trump Organization about a proposed development project in Moscow. It is to be financed by VEB bank, which was being sanctioned by the U.S. government. Trump at some point signs a letter of intent to move forward with the project.

Autumn 2015
The conservative website the Washington Free Beacon hires a firm called Fusion GPS to conduct research on several Republican presidential candidates, including Trump.

Nov. 3, 2015
Sater emails Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen to outline his idea of having a Moscow ribbon cutting that Putin would attend. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Sater writes.

Dec. 10, 2015
Flynn is part of a panel discussion in Moscow for the 10th anniversary of the government-backed media outlet Russia Today, for which he is paid. Officials notice an increase in communication between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, following the Russia Today event.

Late 2015
British intelligence agencies detect suspicious interactions between Russia and Trump aides that they pass on to U.S. intelligence agencies.

Mid-January 2016
Cohen emails Putin’s personal spokesman seeking help in advancing the proposed development in Moscow. “As this project is too important, I am hereby requesting your assistance. I respectfully request someone, preferably you, contact me so that I might discuss the specifics as well as arranging meetings with the appropriate individuals. I thank you in advance for your assistance and look forward to hearing from you soon,” he writes.

Jan. 29, 2016
Goldstone emails Donald Trump Jr. to pitch the Trump team on setting up a page on Russian social media site Vkontakte. Trump Jr. passes it on to Dan Scavino, the person in charge of Trump’s social media. “Please feel free to send me whatever you have,” Scavino replies. Konstantin Sidorkov, director of partnership marketing for Vkontakte, follows up a few days later. “Nice to meet you and your team,” he writes in an email to Scavino, Trump Jr. and Trump’s assistant.

Late January 2016
The Moscow development is abandoned.

Feb. 1, 2016
Republican primary voting begins in Iowa.

March 6, 2016
George Papadopoulos is named a foreign-policy adviser by the campaign.

March 14, 2016
Papadopoulos meets in Italy with a London-based professor named Joseph Mifsud, director of the London Academy of Diplomacy. Until he learns that Papadopoulos is tied to the Trump campaign, Mifsud is uninterested in talking.

March 19, 2016
Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email that encourages him to change his email password, probably precipitating the hack of his account.

March 21, 2016
During an interview with The Post, Trump lists Page as part of his foreign-policy team. Page had been recommended by a son-in-law of President Richard Nixon, New York Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox. Trump also mentions Papadopoulos.

March 28, 2016
Political veteran Paul Manafort is hired to help the Trump campaign manage the delegate process for the Republican National Convention. He is recommended by Trump confidant Roger Stone. Before joining the campaign, Manafort lobbied on behalf of Oleg Deripaska, a Putin ally. That business relationship followed a memo from Manafort in which he offered a plan that could “greatly benefit the Putin Government.” His relationship with Deripaska ended in 2009. Manafort also worked on behalf of the Russia-friendly Party of Regions in Ukraine, helping guide the party’s leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to the country’s presidency. Yanukovych was later ousted.

March 31, 2016
Trump’s foreign-policy team meets. Included in the meeting are Papadopoulos, Trump and then-Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions (R). Papadopoulos says he can facilitate a meeting between Trump and Putin based on his interactions with Mifsud, the professor. Sessions says it shouldn’t happen.

April 2016
Hackers believed to be linked to Russia’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) also gain access to the DNC network.

The same month, Fusion GPS is hired by the law firm Perkins Coie on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

April 11, 2016
Manafort emails his longtime aide Konstantin Kilimnik (who himself may have ties to Russian intelligence) t0 ensure that the oligarch Deripaska’s “operation” has seen his media coverage, presumably about the Trump campaign. “How do we use to get whole?” he asks.

April 18, 2016
Papadopoulos is introduced to someone who has contacts at Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Papadopoulos and the contact begin communicating regularly to try to set up a meeting between Trump and Putin.

April 26, 2016
Papadopoulos is told by Mifsud that the Russians have “dirt” on Clinton. “They have thousands of emails,” he is told.

April 27, 2016
Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, meets Kislyak at a reception at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington before a foreign-policy speech given by Trump. Sessions may have spoken with Kislyak as well.

The same day, Papadopoulos emails senior campaign adviser Stephen Miller to say that he had “some interesting messages coming in from Moscow about a trip when the time is right.”

May 2016
During a night of drinking in London, Papadopoulos tells Australian High Commissioner to Great Britain Alexander Downer that he is aware that Russia has dirt on Clinton.

During this month, two different people who support Trump email the campaign to set up a meeting between a Trump staffer and a Russian official named Alexander Torshin. The emails, sent to adviser Rick Dearborn, are titled “Kremlin Connection” and “Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite.” Kushner rejects the latter overture.

May 20 or 21, 2016
Torshin and Trump Jr. meet at a dinner related to the NRA convention in Louisville.

May 26, 2016
Trump clinches the Republican nomination on paper.

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During the general election
June 2016
At a closed-door meeting of foreign policy experts and the prime minister of India, Page praises Putin effusively.

June 3, 2016
Goldstone emails Trump Jr.:

“The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with [Emin Agalarov’s] father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” Goldstone wrote. “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and it’s government’s support for Mr. Trump — helped along by Aras and Emin.”

“Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer,” Trump Jr. replied.

June 6, 2016
Goldstone appears to connect Emin Agalarov and Trump Jr. by phone.

June 7, 2016
Goldstone and Trump Jr. finalize “a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney.”

Trump formally clinches the nomination later in the day. During a speech that evening, Trump says he is “going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”

June 9, 2016
Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner meet at Trump Tower with a Kremlin-connected attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya’s efforts to reverse a law passed in 2012 sanctioning Russians suspected of human rights violations at some point drew the attention of the FBI. The meeting was not initially reported to the government by Kushner as required when he took a position with the administration. After the meeting was originally reported, Trump, Jr. admitted that the pretext for the conversation was that he believed Veselnitskaya to have information incriminating Hillary Clinton.

The meeting also included a lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin who also has links to Russian intelligence.

June 12, 2016
In an interview with ITV, WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange says the organization has more emails from Hillary Clinton.

June 13, 2016
Instead of his promised speech about the Clintons, Trump talks about national security in the wake of the shooting massacre in Orlando

June 15, 2016
A hacker calling himself “Guccifer 2.0″ releases the Democratic National Committee’s research file on Donald Trump. News reports already link the stolen data to Russian hackers.

June 20, 2016
Former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, working for Fusion GPS, compiles the first of 17 reports that will become part of a dossier of information alleging contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian actors. The first report cites conversations suggesting that Russia actively sought to compromise Trump beginning in 2011 and that the Russians had compromising information on both Trump and Clinton.

June 29, 2016
Goldstone reaches out to Scavino again about VKontakte.

“I’m following up on an email [from] a while back of something I had mentioned to Don and Paul Manafort during a meeting recently,” he wrote in an email cc-ing Sidorkov. “At the time, Paul had said he would welcome it…”

June 30, 2016
Page tells Sessions that he plans to travel to Moscow to give a speech. He later indicates that the campaign approved his travel as long as he made clear he wasn’t representing the campaign.

July 2016
At some point this month, the FBI begins investigating possible links between the Russian government and Trump’s campaign. The investigation is triggered when Australian authorities contact the agency — realizing that Papadopoulos‘s May mention of Russian dirt to Downer was validated by the release of stolen data.

Early in July, Fusion GPS’s Steele contacts the FBI to inform them about what he’s heard concerning Trump. (Steele had been a source for the FBI in the past.)

July 7, 2016
Page travels to Moscow to give a lecture.

The same day, Manafort contacts Kilimnik again to invite Deripaska to get a private briefing on the campaign.

July 8, 2016
Page sends a memo to campaign staff with an overview of his travel. It reads, in part, “Russian Deputy Prime Minister and [New Economic School] Board Member Arkadiy Dvorkovich also spoke before the event. In a private conversation, Dvorkovich expressed strong support for Mr. Trump and a desire to work together toward devising better solutions in response to the vast range of current international problems.”

July 11 or 12, 2016
Trump campaign staffers apparently intervene with the committee developing the Republican Party’s national security platform to remove language calling for arming Ukraine against Russian aggression.

July 18, 2016
At an event hosted by the Heritage Foundation as part of the Republican National Convention, Sessions and Kislyak have a brief conversation.

Flynn delivers a speech at the Republican convention, joining in the crowd’s “Lock her up!” chant. “If I, a guy who knows this business, if I did a tenth of what she did,” Flynn said, “I would be in jail today.”

July 19, 2016
Steele files a report in which he alleges that Page‘s trip to Moscow included meetings with the chief executive of the energy firm Rosneft and Kremlin official Igor Diveykin, the latter of whom mentioned the possession of compromising material on Clinton.

July 22, 2016
WikiLeaks releases emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee. The Democratic convention begins on the 25th.

July 27, 2016
During his last news conference of the campaign, Trump asks Russia to release emails hacked from Clinton’s private server. He later says that he was joking.

Aug. 9, 2016
Flynn Intel Group, a consulting firm founded by Flynn, signs a contract with Inovo BV, a firm run by a Turkish businessman close to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, for more than $500,000.

Aug. 15, 2016
The New York Times reports on secret ledgers from the Party of Regions showing off-the-books payments to Manafort‘s consulting firm. Those payments were allegedly hidden by passing them through third parties, according to Ukrainian leaders.

Aug. 19, 2016
Manafort is fired from the campaign. He’d reportedly lost the confidence of Trump’s family, including Kushner.

Aug. 21, 2016
Stone tweets, “Trust me, it will soon [be] Podesta’s time in the barrel.”

Aug. 23, 2016
Stone communicates with Guccifer 2.0 privately over Twitter.

September 2016
At some point in September, congressional leaders are briefed about the CIA’s belief that Russia was intervening in the election to benefit Trump.

Sept. 8, 2016
Sessions and Kislyak meet in Sessions‘s Senate office.

Sept. 20, 2016
WikiLeaks messages Trump Jr. privately over Twitter, pointing to a new site linking Putin to Trump. The next day, Trump Jr. responds to say that he’ll “ask around” about it. Trump Jr. then emailed senior campaign staff about the message. “Do you know the people mentioned,” he wrote, apparently referring to those behind the Putin-Trump site, “and what the conspiracy they are looking for could be?”

Sept. 23, 2016
Yahoo News reports that Page may have met with officials from Rosneft and the Kremlin, apparently after speaking with Steele.

Sept. 26, 2016
In an interview with The Post, Page separates publicly from the Trump campaign.

Early October, 2016
Steele again meets with the FBI, this time in Rome, to discuss what he’s heard in his research.

Oct. 2, 2016
Stone tweets about upcoming WikiLeaks revelations: “Wednesday [Oct. 5] @Hillary Clinton is done. #Wikileaks.”

Oct. 3, 2016
WikiLeaks again contacts Trump Jr. This time, WikiLeaks asks him to have the campaign offer a response to a quote from Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr. replies that he already had. Shortly afterward, he asks about the new information apparently referenced by Stone, but gets no response.

Oct. 7, 2016
The director of national intelligence and the head of the Department of Homeland Security release an unusual joint statement in which they warn of Russian efforts to meddle in the election and suggest that Russia had a hand in the WikiLeaks document releases.

Shortly after the publication of a 2005 “Access Hollywood” video in which Trump discusses sexually assaulting women, WikiLeaks releases the first emails from Podesta’s email account. The leaks continue for weeks.

Oct. 11, 2016
Trump Jr. travels to Paris to give a paid speech to a group that supports Russian interests. After his speech, one of the hosts travels to Moscow where she discusses the speech with a senior Russian official.

Oct. 12, 2016
WikiLeaks again contacts Trump Jr. sharing a link to file archives. Shortly afterward, the candidate tweets about the leaks.

Stone tells a reporter from a local news station in Florida that he has “back-channel communication with [WikiLeaks’ Julian] Assange,” though he’d never spoken to Assange directly. WikiLeaks later denies the assertion.

Oct. 14, 2016
Trump Jr. tweets the link he’d received two days earlier. In an interview with Fox News, Mike Pence denies any connection between the campaign and the organization.

Oct. 18, 2016
Steele files a report suggesting that Page‘s discussions with Rosneft in July included an exchange of a stake in the company for the lifting of sanctions against Russia.

Oct. 19, 2016
During the final presidential debate, Trump says that Putin has no respect for his opponent, Hillary Clinton. She responds, “That’s because he’d rather have a puppet as president of the United States.”

“No puppet,” Trump replies. ““You’re the puppet.”

Trump then argues that Clinton doesn’t know who’s behind the hacking, if it’s “Russia, China, or anybody else.”

Oct. 21, 2016
The FBI applies for and is granted a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to surveil Page, by this point no longer part of the Trump campaign.

Oct. 28, 2016
FBI Director Comey sends a letter to Congress announcing the discovery of new emails related to an investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state.

Oct. 30, 2016
Then-Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid sends a public letter to Comey alleging that the FBI “possess[ed] explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government.”

Oct. 31, 2016
The New York Times runs a story suggesting that the FBI didn‘t see a clear link between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Hours later, Mother Jones reports on the existence of the Steele dossier. The FBI subsequently cuts off its relationship with Steele.

Nov. 5, 2016
Vkontakte again pitches setting up a page for Trump on the site, saying it would be “the top news in Russia.”

Nov. 8, 2016
An opinion piece supporting the Turkish government runs at the Hill under Flynn‘s byline.

Trump is elected president.

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During the transition
Nov. 10, 2016
In his Oval Office meeting with Trump, Barack Obama warns the president-elect against hiring Flynn as national security adviser.

Nov. 18, 2016
Trump offers Flynn the job of national security adviser. Trump offers Sessions the job of attorney general. These are two of the first appointments Trump makes.

Late November, 2016
Trump transition team members warn Flynn that his communications with Kislyak will be monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies. To impress upon Flynn the risks of cozying up to the Russian ambassador, the team requests a dossier on Kislyak to share with Flynn. It’s not known if he ever read it.

Nov. 28, 2016
In an interview with Time magazine, Trump denies interference from Russia. “I don’t believe they interfered,” he said. “That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. Any time I do something, they say ‘oh, Russia interfered.’”

He also addressed the hacking: “It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

Nov. 30, 2016
The Justice Department informs Flynn that he is under investigation for his unreported lobbying on behalf of Turkey.

Dec. 1, 2016
Flynn and Kushner meet with Kislyak at Trump Tower. Kushner allegedly proposes setting up a back-channel of communication between the administration and Putin, perhaps going so far as to use secure communications systems at the Russian embassy. The FBI believes the conversation may have included a suggestion by the Russians that easing sanctions would allow Russian banks to offer financing to people with ties to Trump. Sources close to Kushner indicate the only focus of the back-channel would be Syria.

Dec. 8, 2016
Page is back in Moscow to meet with “business leaders and thought leaders.”

Dec. 13, 2016
Steele’s final report is filed, focused on an alleged trip taken by Cohen to Prague in August. Cohen denies taking such a trip; no evidence to the contrary has emerged.

At Kislyak’s urging, Kushner meets with Sergey Gorkov, chairman of Russia’s government-owned Vnesheconombank and a confidante of Putin. The bank, known as VEB, is under sanctions from the U.S. government.

Dec. 14, 2016
Gorkov apparently flies to Japan, as Putin was visiting.

Dec. 22, 2016
Flynn reaches out to Kislyak to urge Russia to oppose a resolution about Israeli settlements. Russia is one of several countries Flynn contacts, apparently at the behest of Kushner.

Dec. 25, 2016
Flynn texts Kislyak to wish him a merry Christmas.

Dec. 28, 2016
The Obama administration orders new sanctions against Russian organizations and individuals in response to Russian interference in the election. Kislyak contacts Flynn.

Dec. 29, 2016
Flynn calls Kislyak multiple times about the sanctions. At some point, he communicates with K.T. McFarland about the conversation, who shares thoughts with other transition team officials. She outlines the political assessment of the Obama administration in her view, including that Russia had just “thrown the election” to Trump. Flynn asks Russia not to retaliate on sanctions.

Dec. 30, 2016
In a tweet, Trump praises Putin’s decision not to respond in kind to the U.S. sanctions.

Dec. 31, 2016
Kislyak tells Flynn that the Russian response was a function of the Trump team’s request.

Jan. 4, 2017
Flynn informs Donald McGahn, chief attorney for the transition effort, that he’s under investigation by the FBI.

Jan. 6, 2017
American intelligence agencies release a report outlining why they believe Russia was behind the campaign hacking. Comey attends a briefing at Trump Tower in which he first informs the president-elect that he isn’t personally under investigation as part of the agency’s counterintelligence case. He also details the contents of Steele’s dossier.

Jan. 9, 2017
The Trump transition team announces that Kushner will join the administration as an unpaid senior adviser.

Jan. 10, 2017
The Senate holds confirmation hearings for Sessions‘s attorney general bid. In that hearing, Sessions is asked what he would do if “anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign.” Sessions replies that “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”

Outgoing national security adviser Susan E. Rice asks Flynn to approve an operation in Syria in alliance with Kurdish forces that would extend into Trump’s presidency. The alliance with the Kurds is opposed by the Turkish government. Flynn declines.

Jan. 11, 2017
At a news conference, Trump discusses the hacking that took place during the election. “As far as hacking, I think it was Russia, but I think we also get hacked by other countries and other people,” he said.

Jan. 15, 2017
On CBS, Pence denies that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions.

Jan. 17, 2017
Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) sends a list of questions to Sessions, including one that reads, “Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after Election Day?” Sessions responds, “No.”

Jan. 18, 2017
Kushner submits his application for top-secret security clearance, excluding a number of meetings with foreign officials, including the one in December.

Jan. 20, 2017
Trump is inaugurated.

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The presidency
Jan. 20, 2017
Minutes after Trump is sworn in, Flynn allegedly texts a partner at ACU, the nuclear-plant company, suggesting that sanctions would soon be gone and that the project was “good to go.”

Jan. 22, 2017
Flynn is sworn in as national security adviser.

Jan. 24, 2017
The FBI interviews Flynn about his conversations with Kislyak the previous month. Flynn lies about the conversations.

Jan. 25, 2017
Acting Attorney General Sally Yates receives a breakdown of the Flynn interview and decides to inform the White House about what was said.

Jan. 26, 2017
Yates meets with McGahn, now White House counsel, and explains that public statements from the vice president contradict what was known about Flynn, making it possible that the Russians could compromise the national security adviser by threatening to leak that information. McGahn “immediately” briefs Trump on the conversation.

A Trump lawyer later acknowledges that Trump believed that Flynn had lied to the FBI by the end of this month.

Jan. 27, 2017
Yates returns to the White House to meet with McGahn again at his request. McGahn asks to review the evidence against Flynn.

Trump calls Comey at noon to see if he could come to the White House for dinner. During that meeting, Trump allegedly asks Comey to pledge that he’d be loyal to the president. Instead, Comey offers only his honesty. Comey again tells Trump that the president isn’t under investigation.

Trump signs his executive order on immigration.

Papadopoulos is interviewed at the FBI where he says untrue things about his interactions with Mifsud.

Jan. 30, 2017
Yates invites McGahn to come to the FBI and review the evidence against Flynn.

Trump fires Yates after she refuses to enforce his immigration ban.

Week of Feb. 6, 2017
Trump Organization lawyer Michael Cohen and business associate Felix Sater partner with a Ukrainian lawmaker on a proposal for easing Russian-Ukrainian tensions, which is delivered to Flynn‘s office.

Feb. 8
Sessions is confirmed as attorney general. Flynn denies having discussed sanctions with Kislyak when asked by The Post.

Feb. 9
Flynn‘s spokesman says that Flynn had actually discussed sanctions.

Feb. 11
Flynn files a financial disclosure that omits his payment from Russia Today.

Feb. 13
Flynn resigns as national security adviser.

Feb. 14
During a meeting in the Oval Office, Trump asks Comey to move away from his investigation of Flynn. “He is a good guy,” Trump said, according to a memo drafted at the time by Comey. “I hope you can let this go.”

Feb. 15
In the wake of Trump’s request, Comey tells Sessions that he did not want to be put into a position where the FBI director and Trump were alone, citing concerns about propriety.

Mid-February
At some point after a Feb. 14 New York Times report about communication between Trump staff and Russia during 2016, the White House allegedly asks Comey and McCabe to publicly deny the report. Comey later indicates that he told Trump that such communications between the White House and FBI were inappropriate.

March 2
Sessions announces that he will recuse himself from any Russia investigation after his meetings with Kislyak are revealed.

March 5
In an interview on NBC, former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. acknowledges that he had no knowledge of evidence proving that Russia and the Trump campaign colluded during the course of the campaign. He later clarifies that he would not necessarily have known about such evidence and that he was not aware of the FBI’s investigation.

March 20
Comey testifies before the House Intelligence Committee and, for the first time, confirms the existence of the investigation into Russian hacking and possible links to the Trump campaign.

March 22
Shortly after being confirmed by the Senate as Director of National Intelligence, Daniel Coats attends a briefing at the White House with several other officials. As it wraps up, Trump asks Coats and CIA Director Mike Pompeo to remain in the room. During the private conversation that ensued, Trump asks Coats and Pompeo to try to intervene with the FBI to end the investigative focus on Flynn.

March 30
Trump and Comey speak by phone. Trump asks Comey what can be done to “lift the cloud” of the Russia investigation. Trump asks Comey to announce publicly that he himself wasn’t under investigation.

March 31
Flynn amends his financial disclosure report.

April or May
The FBI focuses on Kushner as a person of interest in their investigation as that effort intensifies.

April 11
Trump calls Comey to ask what had been done to make it clear publicly that he wasn’t under investigation. Comey suggests he have McGahn speak with the acting deputy attorney general about the issue. It’s the last time the two speak.

May 3
Comey testifies before Congress.

May 7
Trump drafts an initial letter explaining why he believed Comey should be fired, including that Comey wouldn’t publicly clear Trump’s name.

May 9
Trump fires Comey, citing the recommendation of Sessions. In the final letter firing Comey, Trump includes a line saying that he appreciates Comey telling him “on three separate occasions” that he is not under investigation. Sources indicate that Kushner was a prominent voice behind the firing.

May 10
In a private meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Kislyak, Trump reveals classified information shared with the United States by an ally, later reported to be Israel. He also reportedly disparages Comey as a “nut job” to Lavrov and Kislyak and says that he “faced great pressure because of Russia,” which was now “taken off” with the firing of Comey.

May 11
The president tells NBC’s Lester Holt that the firing was because “this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”

May 12
Lawyers representing Trump release a statement indicating that the president’s tax returns don’t show income from Russian sources, with a few exceptions.

May 17
Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein appoints former FBI director Robert S. Mueller III as special counsel to oversee the Russia investigation.

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Mueller takes over
June
Shortly after Mueller assumed control of the Russia investigation, Trump allegedly sought to have him fired. McGahn declines to instruct Mueller to be fired, telling associates that he would quit before doing so.

At some point this month, Comey speaks with Mueller’s team.

July
Yates meets with Mueller’s team.

July 7
The Times contacts the administration after learning about the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with the Kremlin-linked lawyer. The president, en route from Europe to the United States, helps craft a response from Trump Jr. which implies that the meeting was predicated on a discussion of Russian adoptions. Communications staffer Hope Hicks allegedly assures a spokesman for Trump’s legal team that emails demonstrating that this isn’t true “will never get out.”

July 8
The Times’s story breaks.

July 11
After the Times reports on the existence of Goldstone’s emails about the meeting, Trump Jr. releases them on Twitter.

July 27
Papadopoulos is arrested at Dulles Airport.

Aug. 1
Christopher A. Wray takes over as director of the FBI.

Aug. 11
Akhmetshin testifies before Mueller’s grand jury.

Sept. 15
Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni testifies.

Sept. 28
Keith Kellogg, chief of staff for the National Security Council, is interviewed.

Oct. 5
Papadopoulos signs a statement admitting that his comments to the FBI in January were false. This admission isn’t made public until later in the month.

Oct. 13
Former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus is interviewed by Mueller’s team.

Oct. 16
Former press secretary Sean Spicer is interviewed.

Week of Oct. 23
Sam Clovis, the Trump campaign’s foreign policy advisory committee lead, is interviewed.

Oct. 30
Mueller’s team unveils a 12-count indictment against Manafort and his associate Rick Gates. The charges include conspiracy to launder money and making false statements. Papadopoulos‘s admission of guilt is made public.

November
Kushner is interviewed by Mueller’s team for 90 minutes, with questions apparently focused on Flynn.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller is also interviewed this month.

Nov. 30
McGahn is interviewed by Mueller’s team.

Dec. 1
Flynn admits to lying to the FBI in his Jan. 24 interview.

Dec. 7 and 8
Hicks is interviewed by Mueller’s team.

Week of Jan. 15
Sessions is interviewed.

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Reply #3784 on: February 06, 2018, 03:00:17 AM
  I guess I missed your answer, Katiebee, about how is your 401K doing, since November 2016, until now? You know how they graph the quarterly summary for you, has yours gone UP since November 2016, the way everyone invested in Stocks who is diversified has gone UP, or had it gone some other way?

  So, since I pretty much know the answer, same question to Athos, BTW, has your likely govt subsidized retirement account gone UP since Trump's election?
Straight up pretty much, same as most people?

  If not, why not? Certainly not President Trump's doing, if you are not gaining wealth for the long term since his election.

  Am sure you both took a big hit, when looking at November 2008 thru the first year of the Obama Administration... and of course blame it all on Bush, as nothing is ever Obama's doing... of course... of course...

  If you want to do something good, send a few hundred a month to Jed's sister in West Virginia, so she can keep the promotion from Dollar Store, and provide for her Family in the manner she wishes, whatever is best for her family.

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Reply #3785 on: February 06, 2018, 03:25:05 AM
  I guess I missed your answer, Katiebee, about how is your 401K doing, since November 2016, until now? You know how they graph the quarterly summary for you, has yours gone UP since November 2016, the way everyone invested in Stocks who is diversified has gone UP, or had it gone some other way?

  So, since I pretty much know the answer, same question to Athos, BTW, has your likely govt subsidized retirement account gone UP since Trump's election?
Straight up pretty much, same as most people?

  If not, why not? Certainly not President Trump's doing, if you are not gaining wealth for the long term since his election.

  Am sure you both took a big hit, when looking at November 2008 thru the first year of the Obama Administration... and of course blame it all on Bush, as nothing is ever Obama's doing... of course... of course...

  If you want to do something good, send a few hundred a month to Jed's sister in West Virginia, so she can keep the promotion from Dollar Store, and provide for her Family in the manner she wishes, whatever is best for her family.


Our personal life is none of your fucking business you racist doxxing shithead.

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Reply #3786 on: February 06, 2018, 03:39:32 AM
My sister’s family never had healthcare until Obama was president.  How amusing it must be for someone who obviously never struggled financially to make fun of those that do struggle.  Many Americans live paycheck to paycheck, getting one step ahead just to be dragged back again to amuse people like Joan cackling at their misfortune.  The way such people view affordable healthcare as some sort of give away to the lazy is beyond reprehensible.  After all, people in poverty or on the edge of it, that struggle to get out of it and stay out, must have some sort of character flaw to be there in the first place.  For such people like her a ‘hand up’ is no different than a ‘hand out’, and decent healthcare is a privilege that should only be available to the well-heeled.

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Reply #3787 on: February 06, 2018, 05:23:29 AM
We have had worse characters than Joan at KB.  I suspect I think that way because she makes no sense most of the time.



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Reply #3788 on: February 06, 2018, 12:14:02 PM
  Compassion, and understanding of people who struggle, and take jobs, work their way to earn enough for their family, is something I do understand, and I admire such folks, who make good use of the opportunities and skills they have to make it in a difficult local economy, or geographic area.

  My hope is your Sister, her Dependent, and Mom, find ways to better their lives with the new position and increased take home pay she earned through her hard work. Rising out of "poverty" as described by whoever sets out the Medicaid qualifications, is a complication I hope is at least partially offset by her job security and wages.

  My issue, and lack of patience, the reason for my reply rhetoric to your post, Jed_, was more to do with your comment about how you would be happy to pay $200 more per month in taxes (provided it was required for upper income folks across the board), if it would keep your Sister's Healthcare intact. That was the issue I sought to address, not the unfortunate economy and coping with it that faces your Sister, who obviously is doing her part, and is valued at her work for the effort she shows there.

  Your Qualification, the slam at the recent tax reform bill, the attitude is all should pay more to subsidize programs like Medicaid, and by inference other means tested 'poverty' programs, is where we differ, and differ greatly.

  You are free to donate any added tax amount you wish, just send it in to IRS and they will accept it, if you feel guilt about receiving too much compensation for the work you perform. Go for it.  On the other hand, you wishing OTHERS had their work product, wages, compensation, confiscated so your relative, and countless others can continue to benefit from government program largess is our difference.

  The solution is as you decided, prior to my suggestion, that you assist your extended family, to make life easier for your relatives. It was what came to my mind as a first solution; as well to yours, and you are already doing so. You are to be commended for putting your money up, for a cause you believe in.
Charity begins at home, is a valid statement.

  Beyond giving money, or paying bills for your family members, so hey have more control over the money they earn going to increased benefit directly, is helping your family seek assistance from Churches or other groups who may be available to them, whether Meals On Wheels type of thing, or transportation assistance from volunteers to get to Medical appointments, helping them think outside the box would benefit, in my imagination.

  What does not help your family in WV, is confiscation of wages of others, in the long run, as some may 'teeter' on the edges of means tested subsidies. If the amount of income is 'set' too low, then lobby, contribute to efforts, toward adjusting what counts as 'income' for such subsidy, and to insure your family is well represented when providing information to whoever makes such decisions.

  I hope that helps clarify my remarks, as to the point I wanted to make. It is all too easy sometimes to critique, and I did not wish to add to your family's burden, only to help you make the correct choices, which obviously you are doing, regardless of your view about income confiscation for others.

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Reply #3789 on: February 06, 2018, 04:04:56 PM
And I see the Nation itself as family.  Taxes are paid to the commonwealth for the benefit of all.  I have paid a lot of taxes over the years, and do not begrudge any that has gone to help the less fortunate.

I recognize that it takes more than hard work to succeed.  It also takes ability and luck.  We are all differently abled and not all of us are born into rich families.

Joan's solution that the poor should turn to their families (who might also be very poor) for assistance is no solution at all.  Also, what charities exist that can help poor families on a consistent basis?  There are none, so that's not a solution either.  Once again she's not talking sense.



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Reply #3790 on: February 06, 2018, 04:23:13 PM
Wisconsin Assembly approves up to $3 billion offer to lure Foxconn

Congratulations Badger State, I'm sure Foxconn needs every penny.

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Foxconn package cost Wisconsin eight times as much per job as similar 2017 state jobs deals

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Reply #3791 on: February 06, 2018, 04:24:14 PM
It’s a familiar conservative mocking mantra, ‘You wanna pay more taxes, go ahead, just don’t include me.’ Fairness is not something they understand.  We’re the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn’t provide universal healthcare, and they behave as if doing so would be an anomaly.  And to make sure people don’t get healthcare, we’re going to pass a wildly unpopular tax plan where the vast majority of the money goes to the wealthy.



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Reply #3792 on: February 06, 2018, 04:24:44 PM
BOB MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION IS LARGER—AND FURTHER ALONG—THAN YOU THINK

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PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED in a tweet over the weekend that the controversial Nunes memo “totally vindicates” him, clearing him of the cloud of the Russia investigation that has hung over his administration for a year now.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, if anything, the Mueller investigation appears to have been picking up steam in the past three weeks—and homing in on a series of targets.

Last summer, I wrote an analysis exploring the “known unknowns” of the Russia investigation—unanswered but knowable questions regarding Mueller’s probe. Today, given a week that saw immense sturm und drang over Devin Nunes’ memo—a document that seems purposefully designed to obfuscate and muddy the waters around Mueller’s investigation—it seems worth asking the opposite question: What are the known knowns of the Mueller investigation, and where might it be heading?

The first thing we know is that we know it is large.

We speak about the “Mueller probe” as a single entity, but it’s important to understand that there are no fewer than five (known) separate investigations under the broad umbrella of the special counsel’s office—some threads of these investigations may overlap or intersect, some may be completely free-standing, and some potential targets may be part of multiple threads. But it’s important to understand the different “buckets” of Mueller’s probe.

As special counsel, Mueller has broad authority to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” a catch-all phrase that allows him to pursue other criminality he may stumble across in the course of the investigation. As the acting attorney general overseeing Mueller, Rod Rosenstein has the ability to grant Mueller the ability to expand his investigation as necessary and has been briefed regularly on how the work is unfolding. Yet even without being privy to those conversations, we have a good sense of the purview of his investigation.

Right now, we know it involves at least five separate investigative angles:

1. Preexisting Business Deals and Money Laundering. Business dealings and money laundering related to Trump campaign staff, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former campaign aide Rick Gates, are a major target of the inquiry. While this phase of the investigation has already led to the indictment of Gates and Manafort, it almost certainly will continue to bear further fruit. Gates appears to be heading toward a plea deal with Mueller, and there is expected to be a so-called “superseding” indictment that may add to or refine the existing charges. Such indictments are common in federal prosecutions, particularly in complicated financial cases where additional evidence may surface. Mueller’s team is believed to have amassed more than 400,000 documents in this part of the investigation alone. There have also been reports—largely advanced through intriguing reporting by Buzzfeed—about suspicious payments flagged by Citibank that passed through the accounts of the Russian embassy in the United States, including an abnormal attempted $150,000 cash withdrawal by the embassy just days after the election.

2. Russian Information Operations. When we speak in shorthand about the “hacking of the election,” we are actually talking about unique and distinct efforts, with varying degrees of coordination, by different entities associated with the Russian government. One of these is the “information operations” (bots and trolls) that swirled around the 2016 election, focused on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter, possibly with the coordination or involvement of the Trump campaign’s data team, Cambridge Analytica.

Presumably these so-called active measures were conducted by or with the coordination of what’s known colloquially as the Russian troll factory, the Internet Research Agency, in St. Petersburg. The extent to which these social media efforts impacted the outcome of the election remains an open question, but according to Bloomberg these social media sites are a “red hot” focus of Mueller’s team, and he obtained search warrants to examine the records of companies like Facebook. In recent weeks, social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter have begun working to notify more than a million users they suspect interacted with Russian trolls and propaganda.

3. Active Cyber Intrusions. Separate from the trolls and bots on social media were a series of active operations and cyber intrusions carried out by Russian intelligence officers at the GRU and the FSB against political targets like John Podesta and the DNC. We know that Russian intelligence also penetrated the Republican National Committee, but none of those emails or documents were made public. This thread of the investigation may also involve unofficial or official campaign contacts with WikiLeaks or other campaign advisers, like Roger Stone, as well as the warning—via the Australian government—that former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos appeared to have foreknowledge of the hacking of Democratic emails.

Western intelligence, specifically the Dutch intelligence service AIVD, has evidently been monitoring for years the “Advanced Persistent Threats”—government-sponsored hackers who make up the Russia teams known as Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear, which were responsible for the attacks on Democratic targets. AIVD even evidently managed to penetrate a security camera in the workspace of Cozy Bear, near Red Square in Moscow, and take screenshots of those working for the team. According to The Wall Street Journal, there are at least six Russian intelligence officers who may already be identified as personally responsible for at least some of these intrusions. Bringing criminal charges against these individuals would be consistent with the practices established over the past five years by the Justice Department’s National Security Division, which indicted—and in some cases even arrested—specific government and military hackers from nation-states like Iran, China, and Russia.

4. Russian Campaign Contacts. This corner of the investigation remains perhaps the most mysterious aspect of Mueller’s probe, as questions continue to swirl about the links and contacts among Russian nationals and officials and Trump campaign staff, including Carter Page, the subject of the FISA warrant that was the focus of the Nunes memo. Numerous campaign (and now administration) officials have lied about or failed to disclose contacts with both Russian nationals and Russian government officials, from meetings with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to government banker Sergey Gorkov to the infamous Trump Tower meeting arranged by Donald Trump Jr. with Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer Natalia V. Veselnitskaya.

At least two members of the campaign—Papadopoulos and former national security adviser Michael Flynn—have already pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about these contacts. But many other Trump aides face scrutiny, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions, White House adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Jr. Some of these contacts may go back years; Page himself originally surfaced in January 2015 as “Male #1” in the indictment of three Russian SVR agents, working undercover in New York City, who had tried to recruit Page, an oil and gas adviser, as an intelligence asset, only to decide that he was too scatterbrained to be a useful source.

5. Obstruction of Justice. This is the big kahuna—the question of whether President Trump obstructed justice by pressuring FBI director James Comey to “look past” the FBI’s investigation of Michael Flynn and whether his firing in May was in any way tied to Comey’s refusal to stop the investigation. This thread, as far as we know from public reporting, remains the only part of the investigation that stretches directly into the Oval Office. It likely focuses not only on the President and the FBI director but also on a handful of related questions about the FBI investigation of Flynn and the White House’s statements about the Trump Tower meeting. The president himself has said publicly that he fired Comey over “this Russia thing.”

There’s fresh reason to believe that this is an active criminal investigation; lost amid the news of the Nunes memo on Friday was a court ruling in a lawsuit where I and a handful of other reporters from outlets like CNN and Daily Caller are suing the Justice Department to release the “Comey memos”: The ruling held that, based on the FBI’s private testimony to the court—including evidence from Michael Dreeben, one of the leaders of the special counsel’s office—releasing the memos would compromise the investigation. “Having heard this, the Court is now fully convinced that disclosure ‘could reasonably be expected to interfere’ with that ongoing investigation,” the judge wrote in our case.

Even the most generous interpretation of the Nunes memo—which has been widely debunked by serious analysts—raises questions only around the fourth thread of this investigation, insofar as it focuses on Carter Page, the one-time foreign policy adviser who appears to be ancillary to most of the rest of the Russia probes. All of the other avenues remain unsullied by the Nunes memo.

The second thing that we know is that large parts of the investigation remain out of sight. While we’ve seen four indictments or guilty pleas, they only involve threads one (money laundering) and four (Russian campaign contacts). We haven’t seen any public moves or charges by Mueller’s team regarding the information operations, the active cyber intrusions, or the obstruction of justice investigation.

We also know there’s significant relevant evidence that’s not yet public: Both Flynn and Papadopoulos traded cooperation and information as part of their respective plea deals, and none of the information that they provided has become public yet.

We also know that, despite the relative period of quiet since Flynn’s guilty plea in December, Mueller is moving fast. While parts of the case will likely unfold and continue for years, particularly if some defendants head for trial, Mueller has in recent weeks been interviewing senior and central figures, like Comey and Sessions. He’s also begun working to interview President Trump himself. Given that standard procedure would be to interview the central figure in an investigation last—when all the evidence is gathered—it seems likely that such interest means that Mueller is confident he knows what he needs to know for the obstruction case, at least.

All of these pieces of public evidence, the “known knowns,” point to one conclusion: Bob Mueller has a busy few weeks ahead of him—and the sturm und drang of the last week will likely only intensify as more of the investigation comes into public view.

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Reply #3793 on: February 06, 2018, 04:27:48 PM
Crooked Donald for prison 2020!



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Reply #3794 on: February 06, 2018, 04:34:54 PM
 

  My hope is your Sister, her Dependent, and Mom, find ways to better their lives with the new position and increased take home pay she earned through her hard work.


Could someone please explain to me how a $1.50 per week pay raise (?) is in any way helpful at all....Do the math....40 hours divided by $1.50......WTH......?
Good Luck with that....

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Reply #3795 on: February 06, 2018, 04:37:56 PM
 Compassion, and understanding...



...for others.


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Reply #3796 on: February 06, 2018, 09:56:52 PM
Athos, your posts lately are too short...

Please copy/paste longer screeds.

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Reply #3797 on: February 06, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
 

  My hope is your Sister, her Dependent, and Mom, find ways to better their lives with the new position and increased take home pay she earned through her hard work.


Could someone please explain to me how a $1.50 per week pay raise (?) is in any way helpful at all....Do the math....40 hours divided by $1.50......WTH......?
Good Luck with that....

Love,
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the assumption is that the raise would be $1.50 an hour. Raising their nominal pay rate to almost above minimum wage.

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Reply #3798 on: February 07, 2018, 04:04:08 AM
Athos, your posts lately are too short...

Please copy/paste longer screeds.

Thank you.



Do not presume to tell me what I can post, or not post, or what structure you demand. Just don't.


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Reply #3799 on: February 07, 2018, 12:37:52 PM
Trump’s ‘marching orders’ to the Pentagon: Plan a grand military parade

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The cost of shipping Abrams tanks and high-tech hardware to Washington could run in the millions, and military officials said it was unclear how they would pay for it.

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