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Reply #2460 on: July 10, 2017, 11:59:28 PM
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20?qt-ecfrmaster=0#qt-ecfrmaster

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(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections.

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

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(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

(h)Providing substantial assistance.

(1) No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d), and (g) of this section.

(2) No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making of an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement prohibited by paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section.

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Reply #2461 on: July 11, 2017, 03:40:07 AM
Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign

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WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

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But the email is likely to be of keen interest to the Justice Department and congressional investigators, who are examining whether any of President Trump’s associates colluded with the Russian government to disrupt last year’s election. American intelligence agencies have determined that the Russian government attempted to sway the election in favor of Mr. Trump.

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Donald Trump Jr., who initially told The Times that Ms. Veselnitskaya wanted to talk about the resumption of adoption of Russian children by American families, acknowledged in the Sunday statement that one subject of the meeting was possibly compromising information about Mrs. Clinton.

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Reply #2462 on: July 11, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
The ignorance and arrogance of these people.

Most Americans would view it as a reason not to talk to the Russian, others as a reason to contact the FBI.

But obviously, Trumps are not subject to laws.

It seems to me, that Jared and Don Jr. both are security risks, and their security clearances should be revoked.

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Reply #2463 on: July 11, 2017, 07:32:54 AM
At this point I have to believe that Mueller is proceeding slowly and carefully so that he doesn't make a stupid mistake which ruins the prosecution, because I'm quite sure they know they have enough to make a prosecutable court case -- which should translate into enough evidence to impeach.

If this had been Obama we were talking about, impeachment proceedings would have started months ago. But there will come a limit to how far Trump's supporters will hang themselves out over the line for Trump before they decide to simply get rid of the guy.

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Reply #2464 on: July 11, 2017, 02:52:00 PM

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Reply #2465 on: July 11, 2017, 03:18:51 PM

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Reply #2466 on: July 11, 2017, 06:01:36 PM

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Reply #2467 on: July 11, 2017, 11:20:53 PM

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Reply #2468 on: July 11, 2017, 11:36:31 PM

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Reply #2469 on: July 12, 2017, 03:15:01 AM
Rancor at White House as Russia Story Refuses to Let the Page Turn

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Advisers said the president was frustrated not so much by his son as by the headlines. But three people close to the legal team said he had also trained his ire on Marc E. Kasowitz, his longtime lawyer, who is leading the team of private lawyers representing him. Mr. Trump, who often vents about advisers in times of trouble, has grown disillusioned by Mr. Kasowitz’s strategy, the people said.

The strain, though, exists on both sides. Mr. Kasowitz and his colleagues have complained that Mr. Kushner has been whispering in the president’s ear about the Russia investigations and stories while keeping the lawyers out of the loop, according to another person familiar with the legal team. The president’s lawyers view Mr. Kushner as an obstacle and freelancer more concerned about protecting himself than his father-in-law, the person said. While no ultimatum has been delivered, the lawyers have told colleagues that they cannot keep operating that way, raising the prospect that Mr. Kasowitz may resign.

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Reply #2470 on: July 12, 2017, 03:53:38 AM
If that indeed happens, then the screw turns.

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Reply #2471 on: July 12, 2017, 08:22:16 AM
Rancor at White House as Russia Story Refuses to Let the Page Turn

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Advisers said the president was frustrated not so much by his son as by the headlines. But three people close to the legal team said he had also trained his ire on Marc E. Kasowitz, his longtime lawyer, who is leading the team of private lawyers representing him. Mr. Trump, who often vents about advisers in times of trouble, has grown disillusioned by Mr. Kasowitz’s strategy, the people said.

The strain, though, exists on both sides. Mr. Kasowitz and his colleagues have complained that Mr. Kushner has been whispering in the president’s ear about the Russia investigations and stories while keeping the lawyers out of the loop, according to another person familiar with the legal team. The president’s lawyers view Mr. Kushner as an obstacle and freelancer more concerned about protecting himself than his father-in-law, the person said. While no ultimatum has been delivered, the lawyers have told colleagues that they cannot keep operating that way, raising the prospect that Mr. Kasowitz may resign.

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Reply #2472 on: July 12, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
‘Category 5 hurricane’: White House under siege by Trump Jr.’s Russia revelations

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The disclosure that Trump Jr. met with a Russian attorney, believing he would receive incriminating information about Hillary Clinton as part of the Kremlin’s effort to boost his father’s candidacy, has set back the administration’s faltering agenda and rattled the senior leadership team.

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Reply #2473 on: July 12, 2017, 02:52:30 PM
If you voted for Trump you didn't drain the swamp, you poured a lot of shit into it.

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Reply #2474 on: July 12, 2017, 04:37:40 PM
I agree with you Katie.

It seems Trump, Jr., is claiming he didnt know talking with the Russians in order to gain information to influence the election was illegal.  Uh, seriously?  In what world is it okay to allow a hostile foreign power to gain influence over you and to tinker in our elections?

The sad thing here is that many Trump supporters pointed at Trump's children and how wonderful they were as an indication that his buffoonery was just an act.  Now that his children are showing they are not so innocent and wonderful I wonder if the voters will change their minds about Trump?



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Reply #2475 on: July 12, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
 In addition to being another pathetic dead end venture, with the usual suspects throwing the "T" word around for Donald Trump Junior, the weasels here in Washington are attempting to skuff up Donald Junior, private citizen, who has shown some interest in Politics, and Winning.

  What is not to like, if you have a willing Press to print breathless stories with smoking gun Headlines, over trivia from the New York family of a long shot presidential Candidate a year or more ago. A two-fer, keep him in check, put this youngster in his place, who does he think he is, anyway.

  The ranking member on the House Intel Committee, ranking member on the Senate Intel Committee, and wanna be VP loser of the 2016 election, willingly sucking up time on the MSM shows, to be quoted, buff their bonafides prior to 2018... the usual.  With no downside, no one to check the leakers and bitter losers, why not!

  Hillary Rodham Clinton is not the President, and she never will be. Some folks need to get used to that, get over it, an let the ridiculous events they have set into motion play out.


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Reply #2476 on: July 12, 2017, 05:10:24 PM
 In addition to being another pathetic dead end venture, with the usual suspects throwing the "T" word around for Donald Trump Junior, the weasels here in Washington are attempting to skuff up Donald Junior, private citizen, who has shown some interest in Politics, and Winning.

  What is not to like, if you have a willing Press to print breathless stories with smoking gun Headlines, over trivia from the New York family of a long shot presidential Candidate a year or more ago. A two-fer, keep him in check, put this youngster in his place, who does he think he is, anyway.

  The ranking member on the House Intel Committee, ranking member on the Senate Intel Committee, and wanna be VP loser of the 2016 election, willingly sucking up time on the MSM shows, to be quoted, buff their bonafides prior to 2018... the usual.  With no downside, no one to check the leakers and bitter losers, why not!

  Hillary Rodham Clinton is not the President, and she never will be. Some folks need to get used to that, get over it, an let the ridiculous events they have set into motion play out.


I was an FBI agent. Trump’s lack of concern about Russian hacking shocks me.

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Instead, it was the prima facie evidence that Comey presented that Trump appears unwilling to uphold his oath “to preserve, protect, and defend” the country — which puts the security of our nation and its democracy at stake. In the nine times Trump met with or called Comey, it was always to discuss how the investigation into Russia’s election interference was affecting him personally, rather than the security of the country. He apparently cared little about understanding either the magnitude of the Russian intelligence threat, or how the FBI might be able to prevent another attack in future elections.

When Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) asked Comey whether Trump had ever appeared concerned about Russian interference or how to stop it in the future, Comey’s answer was blunt: “No.” After a moment of reflection, he added, without prompting, that he had “attended a fair number of meetings on that with President Obama.” This contrast alone underscores Trump’s disregard for his fundamental duty, which is to ensure the security of the nation, its government and its citizens from foreign enemies.

It’s worth noting that there is unanimity among senior intelligence officials that the Russian interference in our election not only happened, but that it was extraordinary and unprecedented. In previous testimony, Comey described Russia as the “greatest threat of any country on earth,” and he warned Thursday that Russia is “coming after America,” regardless of party, “to undermine our credibility in the rest of the world.”

Former CIA director John Brennan testified to Congress in May that he was shocked that Russia had “brazenly interfered” in the election, so much so that he took the extraordinary step of directly confronting his Russian counterpart. He added that he believes that even in the election’s aftermath, “Russian intelligence services are trying to exploit what is going on in Washington now to their benefit and to our detriment.”

It does not require an FBI investigation to see that a president of the United States who finds no reason for concern in any of these assertions — and indeed considers them a “hoax” — cannot have the best interest of the country at heart.

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To understand their perspective, consider this happening in the context we normally think of as a national security threat: Imagine that during the 2016 presidential election, a candidate publicly invited the Islamic State to bomb the Democratic Party headquarters. And then imagine that such a bombing in fact took place, resulting in the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. Now further imagine that the new president not only had no interest in learning more about who caused the attack or bringing them to justice, but in fact went out of his way to make nice with the Islamic State and offer them political and diplomatic concessions. Finally, imagine that there may be evidence that members of the president’s campaign or other American citizens were actively or passively involved in facilitating such an attack.

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Reply #2477 on: July 12, 2017, 05:55:12 PM
  In addition to being another pathetic dead end venture, with the usual suspects throwing the "T" word around for Donald Trump Junior, the weasels here in Washington are attempting to skuff up Donald Junior, private citizen, who has shown some interest in Politics, and Winning.

  What is not to like, if you have a willing Press to print breathless stories with smoking gun Headlines, over trivia from the New York family of a long shot presidential Candidate a year or more ago. A two-fer, keep him in check, put this youngster in his place, who does he think he is, anyway.

  The ranking member on the House Intel Committee, ranking member on the Senate Intel Committee, and wanna be VP loser of the 2016 election, willingly sucking up time on the MSM shows, to be quoted, buff their bonafides prior to 2018... the usual.  With no downside, no one to check the leakers and bitter losers, why not!

  Hillary Rodham Clinton is not the President, and she never will be. Some folks need to get used to that, get over it, an let the ridiculous events they have set into motion play out.


In other words, you are deeply troubled that you backed such a disgusting looser.  How will he ever build that wall with all the Twitter distractions and worse? Hell, he's going to take your cause and forever make it synonymous with treason!



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Reply #2478 on: July 12, 2017, 05:56:34 PM
This is well written, clear and easy to understand. I believe (and I suspect that Klein does too) that this week will mark the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency.

The Trump administration isn’t a farce. It’s a tragedy.

Like Watergate, this is an era of low comedy and high fear.
Ezra Klein


This must be what it was like to live through Watergate.

The disorientation, the confusion, the half-truth, the shock, the dark humor. I think of something Elizabeth Drew, the author of one of my favorite books on the era, wrote — “Watergate was a time of low comedy and high fear.” The farce of the story distracts from its horror, and so we take refuge. Twitter is never funnier than when a new Trump-Russia story breaks.

And yet.

This isn’t a scandal as we are used to thinking about it. This isn’t an embarrassment, or a gaffe. This is a security breach. It calls into question whether America’s foreign policy is being driven by the favors President Donald Trump owes Vladimir Putin for his political help or, perhaps worse, whether it’s being driven by the fear that Putin will release far more damning material if Trump crosses him.

This is a story that makes clear nothing the current White House says can be trusted. Donald Trump Jr., who enthusiastically tried to work with Russians to upend the election, called allegations that the Trump campaign would work with the Russians "disgusting” and “phony.” His father tweeted, as recently as May 12, that “the story that there was collusion between the Russians & Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems.”

These are acts that cast doubt on the basic patriotism of the current White House — a White House that takes, as its slogan, “America First.”

This is a story that reminds us that the last election was often dominated, and perhaps decided, by a crime — Russia’s theft of Democratic emails, which may or may not have happened with the Trump campaign’s support. And it refocuses our attention on the fact that Trump fired the director of the FBI in an attempt to end the investigation into that crime.

The generous interpretation, until now, was that this was all bumbling and idiocy and coincidence. Yes, the Trump campaign had a lot of strange meetings with Russians, and sure, it seemed to routinely forget them during congressional testimony and security checks, and of course, Russia intervened in the election to harm Hillary Clinton. But incompetence, we were assured, was the likelier explanation than conspiracy.

Not anymore.

Donald Trump Jr. knew exactly what he was being offered. The email he got was crystal clear. His source is referred to as a “Russian government attorney.” The invitation for the meeting explains that she will “provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information.” The intermediary assures Trump Jr. that “this is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

His reply, it cannot be said often enough, was “if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer” — and late in the summer is exactly when the hacked Democratic emails actually began to be released.

It wasn’t just Trump Jr. Campaign manager Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner knew, too. They were forwarded the emails. They knew exactly what this meeting was. And they were there. They wanted the documents. They wanted to work with the Russians.

They seem to have known about more than just this meeting. As my colleague Matt Yglesias observes, there is no surprised response on these emails. Neither Trump Jr. nor Manafort nor Kushner react with confusion or interest when informed that Russia wants to help Trump win. The alliance is already credible enough, and already serious enough, that they take the email without further vetting or discussion. No one suggests running it by the foreign policy team or even the FBI.

Did Donald Trump himself know? It would be remarkable if he didn’t. It would mean his son and his son-in-law and his campaign manager had tried to collude with the Russians — endangering his campaign and giving a foreign government blackmail material over his presidency — without telling him. This seems unlikely. But if Donald Trump knew, then it means he knew what he was firing James Comey to hide. Then it is clearly obstruction of justice.

Even if Trump himself did not know, consider all the damning evidence here: We know that his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager at least tried to work with a semi-hostile foreign power to win the election. We know that foreign power conducted a large-scale and successful cyber-espionage effort against the Democratic Party. We know that Trump continues to treat Russia unusually gently — palling around with Vladimir Putin even as he undercuts NATO and weakens the Western alliance.

And so we are faced with a crisis that leaves vast swaths of American politics stained. The election is tainted. The White House is tainted. Our foreign policy is tainted. If impeachment seems impossible, it is only because we believe that Republicans in Congress would sooner protect a criminal administration than risk their legislative agenda to uphold the rule of law — which is all to say, Congress is tainted, too.

The actors in this drama are often comic, pathetic, and incompetent. But the damage they have done, and are doing, is almost beyond imagining. As often as this looks like farce, we should not forget it’s a tragedy.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15953440/trump-russia-emails-watergate



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Reply #2479 on: July 12, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
  In addition to being another pathetic dead end venture, with the usual suspects throwing the "T" word around for Donald Trump Junior, the weasels here in Washington are attempting to skuff up Donald Junior, private citizen, who has shown some interest in Politics, and Winning.

  What is not to like, if you have a willing Press to print breathless stories with smoking gun Headlines, over trivia from the New York family of a long shot presidential Candidate a year or more ago. A two-fer, keep him in check, put this youngster in his place, who does he think he is, anyway.

  The ranking member on the House Intel Committee, ranking member on the Senate Intel Committee, and wanna be VP loser of the 2016 election, willingly sucking up time on the MSM shows, to be quoted, buff their bonafides prior to 2018... the usual.  With no downside, no one to check the leakers and bitter losers, why not!

  Hillary Rodham Clinton is not the President, and she never will be. Some folks need to get used to that, get over it, an let the ridiculous events they have set into motion play out.


It's tempting to poke fun at you for this feeble attempt to change the subject and distract from the stories which are filling press today (including the right wing press, I might add). But really, when I think of it, what else can you? You backed a turkey for president, and after this week's revelations, it's looking likely that he's going down.

Well, you could have simply kept silent. That would be the prudent path, and it would have left you with some measure of integrity.

Instead you play Pollyanna while Trump's entire narrative collapsed under IRON CLAD PROOF of collusion between his campaign and the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.

All in all, this hasn't been a great week to be a Trump apologist.