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Reply #2440 on: July 09, 2017, 03:07:17 AM

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Reply #2441 on: July 09, 2017, 03:58:30 AM
Trump's staff forgot to make reservations in Hamburg, Germany, for the upcoming G20 summit
Amateurs. Why are they even being paid?

Trump is meeting key world leaders at the G20 summit. He forgot to book a hotel.

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This isn’t the first time that the Trump administration has run into problems finding accommodations. When Secretary of State Rex Tillerson attended a G20 meeting in Germany earlier this year, he had to stay at a sanitarium in a small village known for its hot springs, according to Bloomberg.

All the hotels in Bonn, the city hosting the conference, were booked by the time Tillerson confirmed he would be attending.

So why does this keep happening? It might have to do with the fact that the State Department is currently understaffed and unorganized. Only nine key positions out of 124 have been confirmed at the State Department.

No one has even been nominated as the director in the Office of Foreign Missions, which is responsible for planning and providing security for US missions when diplomats and other top officials travel abroad.

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Reply #2442 on: July 09, 2017, 04:11:01 AM
Ivanka Trump takes her father’s seat at world leaders’ table during a G-20 meeting

Why do we have a Vice President, or a Secretary of State?

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Hey, don't question the king.

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Reply #2443 on: July 09, 2017, 04:18:41 AM
Holy shit.

Trump's staff forgot to make reservations in Hamburg, Germany, for the upcoming G20 summit
Amateurs. Why are they even being paid?

Trump is meeting key world leaders at the G20 summit. He forgot to book a hotel.

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This isn’t the first time that the Trump administration has run into problems finding accommodations. When Secretary of State Rex Tillerson attended a G20 meeting in Germany earlier this year, he had to stay at a sanitarium in a small village known for its hot springs, according to Bloomberg.

All the hotels in Bonn, the city hosting the conference, were booked by the time Tillerson confirmed he would be attending.

So why does this keep happening? It might have to do with the fact that the State Department is currently understaffed and unorganized. Only nine key positions out of 124 have been confirmed at the State Department.

No one has even been nominated as the director in the Office of Foreign Missions, which is responsible for planning and providing security for US missions when diplomats and other top officials travel abroad.

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The incompetent, working for the unqualified, doing the unthinkable.

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Reply #2444 on: July 09, 2017, 04:59:01 AM
Ivanka Trump takes her father’s seat at world leaders’ table during a G-20 meeting

Why do we have a Vice President, or a Secretary of State?

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Hey, don't question the king.

This is because Trump voters thought running the country like a family business was a good idea.  So they got a guy that thinks the US should be run like a dictatorship and for personal profit.

Nice going Trump voters.



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Reply #2445 on: July 09, 2017, 11:12:39 PM

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Reply #2446 on: July 09, 2017, 11:31:48 PM
Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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Jesus, don't we already know enough to get impeachment proceedings going? How many different threads connecting Trump to the Russians and their attempt to install a government which would provide them with what THEY WANTED before we admit that this is a Constitutional crisis the likes of which the nation has never seen before? We have a president who conspired with a foreign government to obstruct our legitimate governmental institutions. If that isn't treason, then what the fuck is?

It quacks like a duck. It walks like a duck. It flies like a duck, and it stinks like duck shit. I think we're dealing with Donald Duck here. My only fear about Meuller is that he will take too long to get moving.
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Reply #2447 on: July 10, 2017, 12:19:36 AM
Here are the facts as they are known, and what Trump claims is demonstrably false:

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/trump-misleads-russia-hacking/

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Trump's admiration for Putin is constant. Everything else is gibberish.

Don't count on Trump. He's so incoherent, hypocritical and self-contradictory that he literally makes no sense. It was all on display in Europe.


After days of conflicting reports, President Donald Trump gave his own account of
what happened in his meeting with Russia's leader.


The quintessential moment in President Trump’s second trip to Europe occurred at a Warsaw news conference where he was asked about Russian hacking of the U.S. election. See if you can follow his answer:

    “I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and/or countries. And I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure. I remember when I was sitting back, listening about Iraq, weapons of mass destruction; how everybody was 100 percent sure that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Guess what. That led to one big mess. They were wrong and it led to a mess. So, it was Russia, and I think it was probably others also. And that's been going on for a long period of time. But my big question is why did Obama do nothing about it from August all the way to November 8th? He did nothing about it.”

To simplify Trump’s convoluted mass of rhetoric, he seems to be saying that the consensus of the U.S. intelligence community, that Russia was solely responsible for hacking and leaking Democratic Party emails last year, is wrong — but that President Obama should have acted on this faulty intelligence anyway.

This bears no relation to reality, because there is no information to contradict the intelligence community assessment and Obama did act upon it — the intelligence community findings were published, some Russian diplomats were kicked out of the country and two Russian compounds were confiscated. That’s not as much as Obama should have done, but it is a lot more than Trump himself has done.

What’s striking here is not just that Trump is delusional. It’s that he is so incoherent, hypocritical and self-contradictory: He literally makes no sense. Our oxymoronic president was on full display during his trip to Europe, and nowhere more so than in his Warsaw speech, which was full of statements utterly at odds with his other words and deeds.

Trump delivered a rip-roaring defense of “Western civilization," saying "our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph." Yet, does anyone think the president could possibly pass an undergraduate Western Civilization course? He probably thinks that Thucydides is some rich Greek guy who bought an apartment in Trump Tower and that Plato was the owner of a sex club in Manhattan.

Trump also said, “We empower women as pillars of our society and of our success” — pretty rich, coming from a president who bragged about grabbing women by their private parts and who insults them in the most graphic, demeaning terms possible. Just a couple of weeks ago he savagely attacked Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC as “low IQ Crazy Mika” and claimed that she was “bleeding badly from a face-lift” over New Year’s.

“We value the dignity of every human life, protect the rights of every person, and share the hope of every soul to live in freedom,” Trump said. Yet he has embraced notorious human-rights abusers such as Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt, and Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. And, lest we forget, he brutally mocked a disabled reporter in 2015.

“We treasure the rule of law and protect the right to free speech and free expression,” Trump claimed, yet just minutes later he attacked the “fake news” media. Previously he called the press “the enemy of the American people.” Such vitriolic rhetoric will only embolden dictators bent on repressing their own media.

Trump also said that “a strong Europe is a blessing to the West and to the world,” even as he was exulting in the warm embrace of Poland’s far-right Law and Justice Party, which is feuding with other members of the European Union over its anti-democratic practices.

The president's greatest offense against common sense occurred when he said, “We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere,” just before flying to Hamburg where he positively purred during the course of a lengthy meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump may have raised the Russian hacking of the U.S. election last year, but he did not threaten Putin with any repercussions, which means we can expect more destabilizing activities in the future. Incredibly enough, Trump even promised to form “an impenetrable Cyber Security unit” with Russia. This makes about as much sense as forming a crime-fighting unit with the mafia.

Summing up this summit, Trump tweeted: “Now it is time to move forward in working constructively with Russia!” That’s not usually how we respond to a country that is engaging in “destabilizing activities,” itself a euphemism for Russia’s aggression against its neighbors and the West.

Any Europeans who might have been reassured by Trump’s commitment to NATO’s Article 5 mutual-defense provision should beware that Trump’s words mean little. His lies are matched only by his contradictions. One of the few things Trump appears to be consistent and sincere about is his admiration of, and desire to work with, Putin.

Everything else is just gibberish.

Max Boot, a member of USA TODAY’s Board of Contributors, is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/09/trump-admires-putin-everything-else-gibberish-max-boot-column/462836001/



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Reply #2448 on: July 10, 2017, 02:07:55 AM
Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

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Jesus, don't we already know enough to get impeachment proceedings going? How many different threads connecting Trump to the Russians and their attempt to install a government which would provide them with what THEY WANTED before we admit that this is a Constitutional crisis the likes of which the nation has never seen before? We have a president who conspired with a foreign government to obstruct our legitimate governmental institutions. If that isn't treason, then what the fuck is?

It quacks like a duck. It walks like a duck. It flies like a duck, and it stinks like duck shit. I think we're dealing with Donald Duck here. My only fear about Meuller is that he will take too long to get moving.

Hey Joanie, forget the word collusion.  Let's just say conspiracy.  As in Trump conspired with the Russians to rig the election.  Oh, and maybe we should forget the word conspiracy and just say treason.



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Reply #2449 on: July 10, 2017, 04:07:59 AM
Donald Trump Jr.’s stunning admission to the New York Times

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Trump Jr. confirmed that he went into the meeting expecting to receive information from the Russian lawyer that could hurt Clinton. That is a breathtaking admission.

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Reply #2450 on: July 10, 2017, 06:16:06 AM
It seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The son is just as stupid as the father.

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Reply #2451 on: July 10, 2017, 06:24:40 AM
It exemplifies privilege. Can anyone guess what would have happened if President Obama was involved in such shenanigans?



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Reply #2452 on: July 10, 2017, 06:33:32 AM
It seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The son is just as stupid as the father.

I can buy that.



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Reply #2453 on: July 10, 2017, 07:38:35 AM
Donald Trump Jr.’s stunning admission to the New York Times

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Trump Jr. confirmed that he went into the meeting expecting to receive information from the Russian lawyer that could hurt Clinton. That is a breathtaking admission.

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Mike Pence pressed repeatedly about contacts with Russia during campaign


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Vice President-elect Mike Pence was press repeatedly on Sunday about whether the Trump campaign had any contacts with Russia during the campaign.

Asked Twice on “Fox News Sunday,” Pence deflected, noting that he joined the campaign in the summer.

"All the contact by the Trump campaign and associates were with the American people," Pence said. "We were fully engaged with taking his message to 'Make America Great Again' all across the country."

Finally, asked by host Chris Wallace on a third try if he had ever asked Donald Trump if there were any contacts in the campaign between Trump or his associates and Russians, Pence answered “of course not.”

“Why would there be any contacts between the campaign” and Russia, he said.

Later, he faced questions on the same topic from CBS's Face The Nation host John Dickerson.

"Just to button up one question, did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?" Dickerson asked.

Pence replied "Of course not."

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Reply #2454 on: July 10, 2017, 03:20:17 PM

Donald Trump Jr. just contradicted a whole bunch of White House denials of Russian contacts


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Donald Trump Jr. acknowledged Sunday that he met with a Russian lawyer who had promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton in June 2016.

The news, which was first reported by the New York Times, represents the most direct suggestion to date of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, and it is the first indication that someone from President Trump's inner circle met with Russians during the campaign. Trump Jr. also brought then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump's son-in-law and now-top White House adviser Jared Kushner to the meeting.

But the information isn't just troubling because it suggests the Trump campaign sought out the help of Russians to win the presidency. It also contradicts a number of claims made by the White House, the campaign and Trump Jr. himself — claims made as recently as this weekend. For an administration and campaign that have repeatedly denied contact with Russians and had their denials blow up in their faces, it's yet another dubious chapter.

Let's recap all the times they suggested this kind of thing never happened.

1) Trump Jr. on Saturday: The meeting was about Russian adoption

When the Times first reported the meeting on Saturday, Trump Jr. said that it was about the issue of Russian adoptions and not the campaign.

“We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up,” he said.

Upshot: This statement from Trump Jr. was highly misleading, at best, and it was contradicted just a day later. Clearly the pretext for the meeting was the campaign, and he pretty clearly sought to hide that fact.

2) Trump Jr. in March: No meetings “representing the campaign” with Russians

Trump Jr. told the Times in March that he never met with any Russians while working in a campaign capacity.

“Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said. “But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”

Upshot: We now learn that one meeting was, in fact, “set up” and that it was about the campaign.

3) President-elect Trump in January: No contact between Trump associates and Russia during campaign

Following a news conference in which Trump didn't directly answer a question about whether there were contacts between his campaign or associates and Russia, Trump flatly denied that there were, according to two reporters who chased him down.

Jim Acosta ✔ @Acosta
Fortunately ABC's Cecilia Vega asked my question about whether any Trump associates contacted Russians. Trump said no.
10:24 AM - 11 Jan 2017
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 Cecilia Vega ✔ @CeciliaVega
?? @DavidGroff you must have missed the part of my reporting that said trump came back and answered my first question with a firm "no." https://twitter.com/davidgroff/status/819413666739134466
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Upshot: We don't know precisely the question and the answer that Trump gave after the news conference, but he was asked during the news conference, “Can you stand here today, once and for all, and say that no one connected to you or your campaign had any contact with Russia leading up to or during the presidential campaign?” CNN's Jim Acosta and ABC's Cecilia Vega say he replied “no” when asked again later.

4) Kellyanne Conway in December: “Absolutely not” on contact with Russians trying to meddle

On CBS's “Face the Nation”:

JOHN DICKERSON: Did anyone involved in the Trump campaign have any contact with Russians trying to meddle with the election?

CONWAY: Absolutely not. And I discussed that with the president-elect just last night. Those conversations never happened. I hear people saying it like it's a fact on television. That is just not only inaccurate and false, but it's dangerous and it does undermine our democracy.

Upshot: The most charitable read here would be that Conway interpreted the question as being about hacking or other official government meddling. The Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, says she wasn't working on behalf of the Kremlin. But it's difficult not to see what she did as a form of meddling or influencing the campaign.

5) Vice President Pence in January: “Of course not”

On “Fox News Sunday” on Jan. 15, when Pence passed along Michael Flynn's faulty information about his contact with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak after the campaign, Pence also denied any contact between the campaign and the Kremlin or Russian meddlers.

WALLACE: I’m asking a direct question: Was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts they had?

PENCE: I joined this campaign in the summer, and I can tell you that all the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people. We were fully engaged with taking his message to make America great again all across this country. That’s why he won in a landslide election.

(CROSSTALK)

WALLACE: — if there were any contacts, sir, I’m just trying to get an answer.

PENCE: Yes. I — of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign? Chris, the — this is all a distraction, and it's all part of a narrative to delegitimize the election and to question the legitimacy of this presidency. The American people see right through it.

And here he was the same day on “Face the Nation”:

DICKERSON: Just to button up one question, did any adviser or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?

MIKE PENCE: Of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy.

Upshot: The second denial is about Russian “meddling,” and the first one is about “contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts they had.” Again, the best explanation here for the Trump team would be that the Russian lawyer wasn't trying to meddle and wasn't working on behalf of the Kremlin. But the denial is pretty broad.

6) Spicer in February: Doesn't change Trump's January statement

White House press secretary Sean Spicer was asked if Trump's comments from after the January news conference still stood, and he didn't amend them:

QUESTION: Back in January, the president said that nobody in his campaign had been in touch with the Russians. Now today, can you still say definitively that nobody on the Trump campaign — not even General Flynn — had any contact with the Russians before the election?

SPICER: My understanding is that what General Flynn has now expressed is that during the transition period — well, we were very clear that during the transition period, he did — he did speak with the ambassador.

QUESTION: I'm talking about during the campaign.

SPICER: I don't have any — I — there's nothing that would conclude me that anything different has changed with respect to that time period.

Upshot: The White House apparently didn't dig too hard to verify Trump's denial, because it was another five months before this meeting with a Russian was revealed.

7) Trump Jr. in July 2016: Suggestions that Russians tried to help Trump are “lies”

From July 24, 2016 on CNN's “State of the Union”:

JAKE TAPPER: So, I don't know if you were hearing earlier, but Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — I asked him about the DNC leak. And he suggested that experts are saying that Russians were behind both the leak — the hacking of the DNC emails and their release. He seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?

TRUMP JR.: Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, well, I say this. We hear experts. You know, here's (INAUDIBLE) at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians. It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do. They will lie and do anything to win.

Upshot: The intelligence community, of course, later determined that Mook was right that the Russians hacked to help Trump. What's notable here is that Trump Jr. vociferously denied the Russians were trying to help Trump — just a month after meeting with a Russian who promised damaging information on Clinton.


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Reply #2455 on: July 10, 2017, 03:27:32 PM

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Reply #2456 on: July 10, 2017, 04:38:43 PM
The only reason Trump Jr. would admit to this is because he knew it was going to come out anyway and he wanted to get out ahead of it. And that suggests a couple of things to me; that a fair amount is already known about the Trump campaign's meetings with Russians prior to the election, and that the Trump Administration is aware of that fact and is engaging in damage control to try to minimize the impact of what's coming

Ex-Bush ethics lawyer on Trump Jr: 'This borders on treason

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An ethics lawyer under former President George W. Bush blasted Donald Trump Jr. for meeting with a Russian lawyer who claimed to have compromising information on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton during the campaign, saying it “borders on treason.”

“This was an effort to get opposition research on an opponent in an American political campaign from the Russians, who were known to be engaged in spying inside the United States,” Richard Painter said Sunday on MSNBC.

“We do not get our opposition research from spies, we do not collaborate with Russian spies, unless we want to be accused of treason.”

Painter said the Bush administration would not have allowed the meeting, which was attended by Trump Jr., White House senior adviser and President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, to happen.

“If this story is true, we’d have one of them if not both of them in custody by now, and we’d be asking them a lot of questions,” he said. “This is unacceptable. This borders on treason, if it is not itself treason.”

Painter’s comments follow a Sunday report from The New York Times that Trump Jr.’s meeting with the Russian lawyer with ties to the Kremlin came after the lawyer promised damaging information about Clinton.

He attended the meeting with the expectation that he would receive compromising information about Clinton, three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two other sources with knowledge of the matter told the Times.

Trump Jr. said in a statement to the paper on Sunday that he had met with Natalia Veselnitskaya at the request of an acquaintance and denied that he received any information on Clinton.

“After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton,” he said. “Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Trump Jr. said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341223-ex-bush-ethics-lawyer-on-trump-jr-meeting-with-russian-lawyer-this



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Reply #2457 on: July 10, 2017, 05:18:29 PM
BTW...you know that smoking gun that everybody claims hasn't yet been found? Now it has. And this directly contradicts the storyline which Trump has been claiming every step of the way.

A major piece in the unraveling of the Trump Administration just fell into place. Will it be enough? It depends on what comes next. I certainly don't get the sense that we're anywhere close to the end of this path.




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Reply #2458 on: July 10, 2017, 06:18:45 PM
The only reason Trump Jr. would admit to this is because he knew it was going to come out anyway and he wanted to get out ahead of it.

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Reply #2459 on: July 10, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
The only reason Trump Jr. would admit to this is because he knew it was going to come out anyway and he wanted to get out ahead of it.

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The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

-All the President's Men

You're not going to have to twist my arm to get me to agree with that.