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Reply #2200 on: June 04, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
As we all know, the element that is disputed is "man made", and the inability to affect the weather, or climate, by any man made action taken today that is seen as practical by logical thinking people, and those spending their own money in life.

You know this, of course, and conveniently leave it out of your screeds, having your hands in other's pockets being your and your ilk's desire, of course.


Sadly, there are people that don't respect the experts or the evidence that is plain to see. They've already made up their minds. Global warming is real. Period.

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Reply #2201 on: June 04, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
Have you ever actually had a science class, Joan?




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Reply #2202 on: June 04, 2017, 11:12:34 PM
Not content with "fighting terror", Trump tries to pick arguments with anybody he doesn't approve of.

Can we guess why he disapproves of Sadiq Khan, boys and girls?






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Reply #2203 on: June 04, 2017, 11:27:38 PM
Trump jumps again... is there nothing in this world of ours that he really comprehends...?

Bad job...

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Reply #2204 on: June 04, 2017, 11:47:30 PM
I wonder if the climate truthers have any credible sources to cite.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

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Reply #2205 on: June 05, 2017, 01:59:05 AM

Trump Just Killed His Own Muslim Ban With One Crazy Screwed Up Tweet

The ACLU pounced after Trump screwed up and destroyed his own administration's argument that the Muslim ban is not a ban.



http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/03/trump-screws-admits-executive-order-muslim-ban.html



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Reply #2206 on: June 05, 2017, 02:34:12 AM
As we all know, the element that is disputed is "man made", and the inability to affect the weather, or climate, by any man made action taken today that is seen as practical by logical thinking people, and those spending their own money in life.

You know this, of course, and conveniently leave it out of your screeds, having your hands in other's pockets being your and your ilk's desire, of course.


Sadly, there are people that don't respect the experts or the evidence that is plain to see. They've already made up their minds. Global warming is real. Period.
Ah, poor Joanie. Is this the best argument you have?  And you base it on what? That you cannot imagine human action can impact the climate?

I suggest you read the consensus conclusion of the experts in the field.  Don't Cherry pick data offered by those being paid by the oil companies. Their obvious conflict of interest makes their data suspect.

But I know it is unlikely you will listen to me. You voted for Trump, proving you believe experteice to be overrated. No doubt you get on a jet plane and think "what do we need a pilot for? They are just pretending they are necessary so they can charge extra for our tickets.



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Reply #2207 on: June 06, 2017, 01:26:00 AM

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Reply #2208 on: June 06, 2017, 01:26:37 AM

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Reply #2209 on: June 06, 2017, 01:28:45 AM
Trump pledges to ‘work every single day’ to fight terror, hours after golfing with Peyton Manning

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But this was the person who, in August of last year, pledged that he was “not going to have time to go play golf” because he was going to be working for the American people. He found time to golf less than 24 hours after “the horrific terrorist attack on the people of London,” as he described it at Ford’s Theatre.

Trump’s comments about how he will work every single day to protect Americans must also be viewed in light of the efforts he’s made in that regard so far in his presidency.

He trails other recent administrations significantly in the number of appointees to key government positions that he’s had filled. By May 20, he’d only put forward 94 people to fill 559 positions requiring Senate confirmation. Among the positions for which the White House has put forward no nominees are:

• Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Office of the Director National Intelligence
• Principal deputy director, Office of the Director National Intelligence
• Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
• Assistant attorney general for the national security division, Department of Justice
• Coordinator for counterterrorism, State Department
• Deputy secretary, Department of Defense
• Undersecretary for intelligence, Department of Defense
• Assistant secretary for Transportation Security Administration
• Associate director for national security and international affairs, Office of Science and Technology Policy

And, of course, Trump promised to fill the country’s top crime-fighting position — the FBI director position, left vacant by his firing last month of James B. Comey — before he left on his overseas trip at the end of May. That deadline came and went. He’s now spent a fifth of his presidency with no director of the FBI.

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Reply #2210 on: June 06, 2017, 01:59:03 AM
Trump National Security Team Blindsided by NATO Speech

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What’s not is that the president also disappointed—and surprised—his own top national security officials by failing to include the language reaffirming the so-called Article 5 provision in his speech. National security adviser H.R. McMaster, Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson all supported Trump doing so and had worked in the weeks leading up to the trip to make sure it was included in the speech, according to five sources familiar with the episode. They thought it was, and a White House aide even told The New York Times the day before the line was definitely included.

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Either way, the episode suggests that what has been portrayed—correctly—as a major rift within the 70-year-old Atlantic alliance is also a significant moment of rupture inside the Trump administration, with the president withholding crucial information from his top national security officials—and then embarrassing them by forcing them to go out in public with awkward, unconvincing, after-the-fact claims that the speech really did amount to a commitment they knew it did not make.

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Reply #2211 on: June 06, 2017, 03:16:10 AM

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Reply #2212 on: June 06, 2017, 03:59:01 AM

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Reply #2213 on: June 06, 2017, 04:15:22 AM

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Reply #2214 on: June 06, 2017, 04:28:42 AM

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Reply #2215 on: June 06, 2017, 04:45:06 AM
Question: how can you tell when Trumpnos lying?


Answer: if he's still breathing, then he never stopped lying.

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Reply #2216 on: June 06, 2017, 05:37:55 PM
"Glouster: 'Tis the time’s plague when madmen lead the blind." ~ King Lear, Act Four, Scene One

The Madness of King Trump



President Donald Trump speaks during a bilateral meeting with Bahrain’s King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, Sunday, May 21, 2017, in Riyadh.

Since President Trump was inaugurated in January we’ve heard an on-going discussion about how to interpret and understand Trump in the context of other authoritarian leaders around the world and from the past. That is an important conversation because that is, in most respects, the proper context in which to understand Trump.

But there’s another prism which has become increasingly clear over the last four months – that is the model of monarchy and the incapacitated king. I noted recently that the U.S. president is, largely by design, in key respects something like an elected monarch, albeit one bounded by two theoretically co-equal branches of government. The President isn’t president because he enjoys the support of his party or congressional majorities. He is president because being president means that he has a panoply of rights, prerogatives and powers as a person.

This is an altogether different model from the Westminster parliamentary system and its various permutations and derivations in which the prime minister is a creature of the legislative branch and in theory, and not infrequently in practice, can be removed from office when they lose support. Like a king, the President is president by right – not by divine right but by right of election. Other than impeachment or death, nothing can take those powers away from them.

But monarchies, even absolute ones, have always had to deal with the vagaries of genetics and human frailty. Sometimes the person who is king simply is not capable of doing the job. A child monarch will usually have a regency, a council which does the king things in the King’s name. In other cases, the king or queen has a radical mental deficiency or goes insane. In these cases, in history, the monarch usually doesn’t stop being monarch. Others are simply brought in to act in their name.

Now, my point here is not to start another conversation about whether Trump is crazy or has some psychological condition. My point is that he is clearly incapable, just in the nature of who he is, from doing many of the things expected of presidents. He routinely ignores the advice of his lawyers, he contradicts key administration arguments. He routinely goes on Twitter rage benders that create endless headaches for staff, disrupt administration policy and may even in some cases constitute or be prima facie evidence of crimes.

Most revealingly, in the last week, multiple top advisers and cabinet secretaries have said, in so many words, that President Trump does not speak for the administration in various policy areas. There has been an understandable, if still risible, effort to make the President’s tweets into some kind of meaningless word associations or gibberish that actually don’t mean anything and which shouldn’t be taken seriously for understanding what the administration is doing. Sebastian Gorka, Kellyanne Conway and others have made this argument in just the last 24 hours. Over the weekend, the Secretary of Defense asked allies in Asia to “bear with us” when pressed on just what the President was doing.

You’ll note that in Britain the reference is usually to “the Crown,” which is the governmental institution of the monarchy embodied by the person of the reigning monarch. But they are not the same. Things are somewhat different now since the current monarchy (and most other global monarchies) gives little actual power to the monarch. But this distinction between ‘the Crown’ and the specific human who embodies the monarchy at a given moment is one of longstanding and can be found across the ages. Again, it’s for a simple reason: if the monarch holds their power in their person, you need a framework for what you do when the actual person isn’t capable of doing the job.

One example of this is George III, the British monarch during the American Revolution, most known to American audiences from the movie “The Madness of King George.” George may have suffered from the genetic disorder porphyria or what we now call bipolar disorder. But for significant periods of time over his decades long reign he was forced to withdraw from active kinging because of the onset of his affliction. The bouts, whatever their cause, would eventually pass. In this sense at least, his prognosis was more promising than President Trump’s.

Again, whether the President is ‘crazy’ isn’t a point I’m trying to get into. What is notable is that we are seeing in real time a White House and an administration trying to force a distinction between what a notional ‘President Trump’ has set as policy (usually meaning the policies key advisers have articulated) and the actual person Donald Trump who we see on Twitter and occasionally in unscripted press settings saying and doing things that often totally contradict his own policies.

Beyond formal policies, he frequently shows himself driven by motives or desires and rages that are entirely the opposite of what his advisers claim. He fired James Comey because of Rod Rosenstein’s recommendation – until Trump himself said he was mad about Russia and would have fired Comey no matter what Rosenstein said. His national security team cheered his renewal of America’s cornerstone alliance, NATO, even as they were apparently aghast when he deepened NATO’s crisis by refusing to pledge his support for the mutual defense commitment which is its central premise.

Where this goes, it is impossible for me at least to say. While the American president has monarchical characteristics, it is not a monarchy. While it is understood that the President sometimes has policies which he and hopefully in the future she may not understand in full depth or fully know about, the US system is based on at least a broad belief that the President is a real person, who has some relationship to the person on whose behalf advisers and cabinet secretaries claim to speak. This last really bad week seems to have gotten us to a new point in which administration leaders are openly saying that the President doesn’t speak for himself or his administration. Either in people’s understanding of what Presidents are supposed to do or in the humiliations these descriptions likely amount to for Trump himself, this does not seem like a sustainable solution to the Trump problem.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-madness-of-king-trump



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Reply #2217 on: June 07, 2017, 01:12:50 AM
Town Hall in California abandoned by Democrat Congress Representative.


At least they said the Pledge to begin the meeting. Seems not all Californians are avid Hillary supporters, at least the citizens among them anyway.

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Reply #2218 on: June 07, 2017, 01:24:40 AM
Oh Joanie! You such a silly troll!  Still don't like pilots flying the airplane I see!

Some people know the importance of experts and experience.  That is why our enemies set out to kill or discredit them right away. That is why the 9-11 hijackers killed the pilots first thing. And that is why the Russians hacked the DNC and backed Trump.

And Russia won the election. NATO has been dealt a huge blow, and the USA is now a joke and not the leader of the free world. Putin cannot be happier.

How does it feel to be a Russian stooge?
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Reply #2219 on: June 07, 2017, 04:03:53 AM

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