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Reply #1560 on: February 21, 2017, 01:40:32 AM
Quote from: joan1984 on February 21, 2017, 01:28:57 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/727574/Sweden-chaos-Police-pushed-breaking-point-unprecedented-violence-crime

Have a look, and tell me Sweden is not struggling, being overrun by migrant crime, and lack of enough Police to reestablish safety, with 52+ "no go zones" where Police cannot assure the safety of residents.
the point is that he implied something else, and as a result created an international incident. Sweden is not pleased that Trump can't use facts in a "rsoinsibke mannet". That was a statement by the Swedish Prime Minister.

How incompetent does he have to be?

I, for one, expect a higher standard of behavior for the POTUS.

I find it very upsetting that you have such low standards.

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Reply #1561 on: February 21, 2017, 02:00:23 AM
Quote from: joan1984 on February 21, 2017, 01:28:57 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/727574/Sweden-chaos-Police-pushed-breaking-point-unprecedented-violence-crime

Have a look, and tell me Sweden is not struggling, being overrun by migrant crime, and lack of enough Police to reestablish safety, with 52+ "no go zones" where Police cannot assure the safety of residents.

1. Express.co.uk is a staunchly anti-immigrant rag with an agenda. That's not a story; it's simply propaganda.

2. The story of exploding crime in Sweden is false. You need to take you head out of the koolaid jug and read the real news, Joan:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/

3. The "no go zones" are a fiction created by the extreme right propaganda sites which inform your misguided opinions.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

http://www.thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary

4. The Swedish government itself has called Trump out for relying on false news which does no accurately describe conditions in Sweden.

As long as all you read is swill, Joan, all you are going to spout is swill. Alternative facts are lies, and people who repeat them are liars and fools.


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Reply #1562 on: February 21, 2017, 02:12:58 AM
The Swedish government point to crime statistics dating from 2015 when the influx of immigrants surged. The report shows no significant increases in crime from that group and no significant surge in reported crimes.

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Reply #1563 on: February 21, 2017, 05:35:28 AM
I'm glad that's all settled!

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/20/this-is-bad-journalism-swedish-cops-blast-fox-news-story-based-off-madman-filmmaker-referenced-by-president-trump/


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The Fox News segment, which appeared on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” featured filmmaker Ami Horowitz, who interviewed two Swedish police officers as part of his film, “Stockholm Syndrome.” But the cops that Horowitz interviewed, Anders Göranzon and Jacob Ekström, say their comments were taken out of context.

“It was supposed to be about crime in high risk areas. Areas with high crime rates. There wasn’t any focus on migration or immigration,” Göranzon explained to Swedish website Dagens Nyheter. “We don’t stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism.”

The upset police officer also made it clear that he was appalled at journalist Ami Horowitz, whom he described as “a madman.”

There is no statistical evidence that immigration in Sweden has led to an increase in crime, the New York Times noted Monday. Not only has no link been established between an influx of migrants and crime rates, but drug offenses, robberies and thefts actually declined last year — although rape and assault did increase. The government has not provided data on the ethnic breakdown of individuals responsible for each type of crime.
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Reply #1564 on: February 21, 2017, 05:44:57 AM
Trump has doubled down and is saying all this is not true.

You see, Joan, the dictators always deny truth. The wanna be dictators fight against reality even when they are being shown they are wrong.

What is pathetic is how incompetent Trimp is in doing any of this.

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Reply #1565 on: February 21, 2017, 05:54:08 AM
While reading the above it dawned on me:  Donald Trump has never had a job in his entire life until now.  He's never been accountable to anyone, he's never had to meet a deadline, he's never had to face a work evaluation.

Is it any wonder the White House is in disarray? 


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Reply #1566 on: February 21, 2017, 06:58:19 AM
That is one of the problems. He has never been accountable to other. It is chaffing him now that he is only hired help.

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Reply #1567 on: February 21, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: Lois on February 21, 2017, 05:35:28 AM
I'm glad that's all settled!

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/20/this-is-bad-journalism-swedish-cops-blast-fox-news-story-based-off-madman-filmmaker-referenced-by-president-trump/


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The Fox News segment, which appeared on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” featured filmmaker Ami Horowitz, who interviewed two Swedish police officers as part of his film, “Stockholm Syndrome.” But the cops that Horowitz interviewed, Anders Göranzon and Jacob Ekström, say their comments were taken out of context.

“It was supposed to be about crime in high risk areas. Areas with high crime rates. There wasn’t any focus on migration or immigration,” Göranzon explained to Swedish website Dagens Nyheter. “We don’t stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism.”

The upset police officer also made it clear that he was appalled at journalist Ami Horowitz, whom he described as “a madman.”

There is no statistical evidence that immigration in Sweden has led to an increase in crime, the New York Times noted Monday. Not only has no link been established between an influx of migrants and crime rates, but drug offenses, robberies and thefts actually declined last year — although rape and assault did increase. The government has not provided data on the ethnic breakdown of individuals responsible for each type of crime.

Killer post, Lois.

I think the various stories about the Swedish Massacre have been pretty well put to bed now. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow to see what surprises the newest batch of tweets will hold.


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Reply #1568 on: February 21, 2017, 01:20:26 PM
What an odd hill for someone to die on.

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Reply #1569 on: February 21, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
Wow, a military reference! :)

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Reply #1570 on: February 21, 2017, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: Northwest on February 21, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: Lois on February 21, 2017, 05:35:28 AM
I'm glad that's all settled!

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/20/this-is-bad-journalism-swedish-cops-blast-fox-news-story-based-off-madman-filmmaker-referenced-by-president-trump/


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The Fox News segment, which appeared on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” featured filmmaker Ami Horowitz, who interviewed two Swedish police officers as part of his film, “Stockholm Syndrome.” But the cops that Horowitz interviewed, Anders Göranzon and Jacob Ekström, say their comments were taken out of context.

“It was supposed to be about crime in high risk areas. Areas with high crime rates. There wasn’t any focus on migration or immigration,” Göranzon explained to Swedish website Dagens Nyheter. “We don’t stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism.”

The upset police officer also made it clear that he was appalled at journalist Ami Horowitz, whom he described as “a madman.”

There is no statistical evidence that immigration in Sweden has led to an increase in crime, the New York Times noted Monday. Not only has no link been established between an influx of migrants and crime rates, but drug offenses, robberies and thefts actually declined last year — although rape and assault did increase. The government has not provided data on the ethnic breakdown of individuals responsible for each type of crime.

Killer post, Lois.

I think the various stories about the Swedish Massacre have been pretty well put to bed now. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow to see what surprises the newest batch of tweets will hold.

Yes, but on another topic this further exposes a trend in right-wing story telling:

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“It was supposed to be about crime in high risk areas. Areas with high crime rates. There wasn’t any focus on migration or immigration,” Göranzon explained to Swedish website Dagens Nyheter. “We don’t stand behind it. It shocked us. He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad journalism.”

We've seen this before from O'Keefe, Project Veritas, and the Clinton Cash film.  Editing is a powerful tool, and it can make things see other than they are.  Want to make a film or video to hurt those you disagree with?  Editing can make it look like those you don't like eat babies.  It's a slicker way of lying, but it is still a lie.

The power of the Voice of America was that it never lied.  People knew and respected this. The same could not be said of Russian and NAZI broadcasts.  My message to Joan and her cohorts:  Don't go down that road unless you want to be despised and ultimately fail.

And again:

If you have to lie to prove your point, you don't have much of a point.


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Reply #1571 on: February 21, 2017, 11:31:57 PM
Pay no attention to the mob in the street LAST NIGHT attacking Police and burning cars, in a "largely peaceful" riot in SWEDEN... nothing to see here, nope, nothing at all, say the 'authorities' in Sweden, nothing to fear... same as in Germany, the fix is to reduce the public discourse about the "largely peaceful" folks and how they choose to express themselves... right...

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Reply #1572 on: February 21, 2017, 11:34:26 PM
Quote from: Athos_131 on February 21, 2017, 01:20:26 PM
What an odd hill for someone to die on.

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Reply #1573 on: February 21, 2017, 11:59:28 PM
You are referring to this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/?utm_term=.a13f47383073

Not a regular occurance according to the report and the police. And it doesn't relieve Pees. Trump of his blatant mis-statement. He isn't a prophet.

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Reply #1574 on: February 22, 2017, 12:16:11 AM
Nice try, Joan. I admire you tenacity, if not your intelligence, or honestly or accuracy.

I think Trump is inciting those immigrants. Somebody should take his phone away, and make him sit on his hands.



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Reply #1575 on: February 22, 2017, 04:23:04 PM
Seems his take on the Fox program proved to be the correct one, eh?

Quote from: Katiebee on February 21, 2017, 11:59:28 PM
You are referring to this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/?utm_term=.a13f47383073

Not a regular occurance according to the report and the police. And it doesn't relieve Pees. Trump of his blatant mis-statement. He isn't a prophet.

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Reply #1576 on: February 22, 2017, 06:30:47 PM
No. It was not. Refer to the comments of the police.

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Reply #1577 on: February 22, 2017, 07:23:37 PM
How Trump’s campaign staffers tried to keep him off Twitter

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The key to keeping Trump’s Twitter habit under control, according to six former campaign officials, is to ensure that his personal media consumption includes a steady stream of praise. And when no such praise was to be found, staff would turn to friendly outlets to drum some up — and make sure it made its way to Trump’s desk.

"If candidate Trump was upset about unfair coverage, it was productive to show him that he was getting fair coverage from outlets that were persuadable," said former communications director Sam Nunberg. "The same media that our base digests and prefers is going to be the base for his support. I would assume the president would like see positive and preferential treatment from those outlets and that would help the operation overall."

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Reply #1578 on: February 22, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Trump never was equated in my mind with a dictator like Hitler or Stalin.

No, he has always struggled to match the least of them, Mussolini, and even then, Mussolini was much more competent than Trump has ever been.
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Reply #1579 on: February 22, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Katiebee on February 22, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Trump never was equated in my mind with a dictator like Hitler or Stalin.

No, he has always struggled to match the least of them, Mussolini, and even then, Mussolini was much more competent than Trump has ever been.

It worries me when I read comments like this, Katiebee. I think it would be very easy to underestimate the threat which Trump presents. Hitler, by way of comparison, was called "The silly little corporal from Austria" and was considered to be a joke. By comparison, Trump is a captain of industry who has already conquered worlds (it's all in the point of view).

Trump has shown a remarkable ability to mobilize an army of people who lack the ability to develop a personal vision, but who have shown that they will blindly follow a leader who pushes the right emotional buttons. As a fascist leader, who innately understands how to attract and motivate the disgruntled hoards, I would argue that Trump is completely in the camp with Hitler and Mussolini.

I believe Trump represents an extraordinary danger to the nation, most particularly if we fail to take him seriously:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/22/14658062/donald-trump-illiberalism-losing


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