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Reply #1040 on: January 13, 2017, 05:47:23 AM
Again, I agree. But she lost in the battle of the intangibles.

Platforms are not leadership. She failed to provide a convincing narrative that explained why she was the leader that we needed. And because she failed, in a very basic way, to define herself and her justification for leading, she allowed others to define her. And the strongest image we are left with is "crooked Hillary".

The irony is, of course, that the story Trump told was based on falsehoods, and the platform a series of illusions. But it was also a much more coherent story which people could easily understand and relate to.

And Hillary, finally, was overconfident. If she'd fought with every breath for the last sixty days I believe she would have won. But in the final phase of the election, Trump vastly out hustled her. She coasted because she thought she had it won.





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Reply #1041 on: January 13, 2017, 06:27:04 AM
I am still butthurt.  Let's face it, I had more faith in Americans than to elect a man that brags about getting away with sexual assault. Forget HRC!

On another Trump note:
You Thought This Was Rock Bottom, America, But the Russians Are Knocking From Below
Sad as it was, Donald Trump's first press conference as president-elect was a laugh riot in Russia

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/you-thought-this-was-rock-bottom-america-but-the-russians-are-knocking-from-below-56789



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Reply #1042 on: January 13, 2017, 07:16:45 AM
I'm butt hurt too (I'm quite certain that I've never typed THAT before), Lois. I think Trump presents an existential threat to the nation. I think he is so mentally unstable that he I have no idea if he has any practical limits to the bad decisions he might make. We have put an unstable, mentally ill child man in charge of the most powerful arsenal that has ever existed. How the fuck does this happen outside of "Doctor Strangelove"?

I'm absolutely floored that conservatives seem to have taken it as a challenge to prove that "W" wasn't the worst they could do.

But I'm also furious with Hillary for letting us down. When you add it all up she did not perform well, and now we're in a heap of shit.



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Reply #1043 on: January 13, 2017, 08:02:22 AM
When will Democrats realize/admit that the present  administration and their actions for the past eight years had as much to do with losing the election as their candidate did?



Ted Cruz Absolutely Destroys Democrats (VIDEO)

    01/12/2017 Source: AAN by: AAN Staff

Senate Democrats are doing everything but promising a return to Jim Crow if Senator Jeff Sessions is confirmed During confirmation hearings for attorney general nominee Jeff Sessions, Senator Ted Cruz took a moment to remind Democrats what the last eight years have looked like:

    Ted Cruz did not mix words when addressing Democrats during the Senate confirmation hearing of Sen. Jeff Sessions.

http://americanactionnews.com/articles/ted-cruz-absolutely-destroys-democrats-video

Lay the true blame where is should lie: The Democrats and their policies.
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Reply #1044 on: January 13, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
When will Democrats realize/admit that the present  administration and their actions for the past eight years had as much to do with losing the election as their candidate did?

They'll admit it if and when it ever describes the truth.

You have to be trapped in some sort of perception bubble to ignore the fact that Obama has been and remains a very popular president, whose policies are much more in line with the public's (as measured by majority support) than any candidate run by the right. And he would certainly win a third term were he allowed to run for one.

Methinks you are mistaking your opinions for reality.



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Reply #1045 on: January 13, 2017, 09:57:32 AM
When will Democrats realize/admit that the present  administration and their actions for the past eight years had as much to do with losing the election as their candidate did?



Ted Cruz Absolutely Destroys Democrats (VIDEO)

    01/12/2017 Source: AAN by: AAN Staff

Senate Democrats are doing everything but promising a return to Jim Crow if Senator Jeff Sessions is confirmed During confirmation hearings for attorney general nominee Jeff Sessions, Senator Ted Cruz took a moment to remind Democrats what the last eight years have looked like:

    Ted Cruz did not mix words when addressing Democrats during the Senate confirmation hearing of Sen. Jeff Sessions.

http://americanactionnews.com/articles/ted-cruz-absolutely-destroys-democrats-video

Lay the true blame where it should lie: The Democrats and their policies.

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Reply #1046 on: January 13, 2017, 10:03:22 AM
When will Democrats realize/admit that the present  administration and their actions for the past eight years had as much to do with losing the election as their candidate did?

They'll admit it if and when it ever describes the truth.

You have to be trapped in some sort of perception bubble to ignore the fact that Obama has been and remains a very popular president, whose policies are much more in line with the public's (as measured by majority support) than any candidate run by the right. And he would certainly win a third term were he allowed to run for one.

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Methinks you are mistaking your opinions for reality.

No,in reality, the Democrats lost.

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Reply #1047 on: January 13, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
Give him enough rope and he will hang himself.  *sigh*



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Reply #1048 on: January 13, 2017, 02:30:56 PM

When will Democrats realize/admit that the present administration and their actions for the past eight years had as much to do with losing the election as their candidate did?

They'll admit it if and when it ever describes the truth.

You have to be trapped in some sort of perception bubble to ignore the fact that Obama has been and remains a very popular president, whose policies are much more in line with the public's (as measured by majority support) than any candidate run by the right. And he would certainly win a third term were he allowed to run for one.

Methinks you are mistaking your opinions for reality.



Perfectly put.

In fact, I think HRC would have won the election if she had positioned herself as being MORE like Obama.

Obama currently has a very high approval rating, and -- more to the point -- he won both his elections very comfortably. The people (like SensualTraveler) who view Obama's presidency as an unending series of "scandals," and who view Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State as another unending series of "scandals," would never have voted for the Democratic candidate in the first place, no matter who the candidate was.

In other words, "the present administration and their actions for the past eight years" had little to nothing to do with Clinton's loss, or Trump's victory.





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Reply #1049 on: January 13, 2017, 03:10:24 PM
Well, then let us start with the first scandal of the Trump administration.

The president, and by extension the president-elect is supposed to not interfere in judicial actions.

This morning, Trump once again tweeted that Clinton is guilty as hell. The ethical and legal position is that the president does NOT comment on guilt or innocence of any case that is in jurisdiction or is possibly going to court.

Or is Trump Judge Dread?

The only thing to say to this child is SHUT THE FUCK UP. HE IS NO LONGER A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
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Reply #1050 on: January 13, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
In essence, if Clinton is ever charged she can claim that She couldn't get a fair trial because of the public comments made by the President-elect.

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Reply #1051 on: January 13, 2017, 08:13:50 PM
Well, then let us start with the first scandal of the Trump administration.

The president, and by extension the president-elect is supposed to not interfere in judicial actions.

This morning, Trump once again tweeted that Clinton is guilty as hell. The ethical and legal position is that the president does NOT comment on guilt or innocence of any case that is in jurisdiction or is possibly going to court.

Or is Trump Judge Dread?

The only thing to say to this child is SHUT THE FUCK UP. HE IS NO LONGER A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

I believe President Nixon stated that Charles Manson was guilty even before the trail was finished (in fact there is a picture of Manson holding up a newspaper saying so).

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Reply #1052 on: January 13, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
Yes, and Nixon was wrong as well.

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Reply #1053 on: January 13, 2017, 11:41:54 PM
Yes, and Nixon was wrong as well.

You mean "I am not a crook" Nixon?

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Reply #1054 on: January 14, 2017, 12:01:47 AM
Yes, and Nixon was wrong as well.

You mean "I am not a crook" Nixon?

That's The One.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The same one that helped 1/2 million Americans enjoy a vacation (all expenses paid) to Sunny Vietnam.

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Reply #1055 on: January 14, 2017, 12:28:22 AM
Yes, and Nixon was wrong as well.

You mean "I am not a crook" Nixon?

That's The One.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The same one that helped 1/2 million Americans enjoy a vacation (all expenses paid) to Sunny Vietnam.

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Hey! He brought the boys home!

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Reply #1056 on: January 14, 2017, 12:49:46 AM

When will Democrats realize/admit that the present administration and their actions for the past eight years had as much to do with losing the election as their candidate did?

They'll admit it if and when it ever describes the truth.

You have to be trapped in some sort of perception bubble to ignore the fact that Obama has been and remains a very popular president, whose policies are much more in line with the public's (as measured by majority support) than any candidate run by the right. And he would certainly win a third term were he allowed to run for one.

Methinks you are mistaking your opinions for reality.



Perfectly put.

In fact, I think HRC would have won the election if she had positioned herself as being MORE like Obama.

Obama currently has a very high approval rating, and -- more to the point -- he won both his elections very comfortably. The people (like SensualTraveler) who view Obama's presidency as an unending series of "scandals," and who view Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State as another unending series of "scandals," would never have voted for the Democratic candidate in the first place, no matter who the candidate was.

In other words, "the present administration and their actions for the past eight years" had little to nothing to do with Clinton's loss, or Trump's victory.





Sorry,but while I believe you're on the right track  Barb, it wasn't merely the scandals the Obama administration were involved in, although there were certainly enough of them, we also couldn't put up with their and Hillarious lies  any longer.  

The handling of The Dept. of Justice by Eric Holder, the most infamous 'the fast and furious' scandal that lead to the shooting death of a border guard, their appointment of a perpetual purveyor of false information, Hillarious, as Secretary of State as a political favor, the lies about the Benghazi attack,knowing from the onset their initial claims were lies, etc,etc..

“Hillary Clinton’s vast résumé of, shall we say, inconsistencies, is the dog that caught the car and won’t let go. A viral video collection of her comments on various subjects through the years is bestirring Republican hearts,” Ms. Parker wrote. “To those who’d rather vote for a reality show host than a Clinton, the video merely confirms what they’ve believed all along. For independents and even Democrats, it’s a reminder of how often Clinton has morphed into a fresh incarnation as required by the political moment.”

The video, posted by a YouTube account for Michael Armstrong, covers Mrs. Clinton’s various stances on same-sex marriage, the North American Free Trade Agreement, her infamous “secret server” as secretary of state, health care reform and the time she allegedly risked “sniper fire” in Bosnia.

The video had nearly 7 million views as of Wednesday afternoon. The creator also promised a future video for Republican hopeful Donald Trump.

“Two things are most striking about this video. The first is just how long Hillary has been stringing America along with whatever story suits her at the moment,” the conservative website Hotair responded after viewing the video. “It’s not as if there was one lie or one bad moment in a long career. She has done this from the moment she became a national figure and she’s still doing it right now. The second striking thing is the brazenness with which she tells stories that are not remotely accurate, such as the Bosnia airport trip.”  

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Her defeat in the elections mainly rests on her shoulders, with a fair share of eight years of administration fuel lighting her way.

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Reply #1057 on: January 14, 2017, 01:22:50 AM
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The people (like SensualTraveler) who view Obama's presidency as an unending series of "scandals," and who view Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State as another unending series of "scandals," would never have voted for the Democratic candidate in the first place, no matter who the candidate was.

I don't know, MissBarbara; I think SensualTraveler is about to come out of the closet as a flaming liberal who can't stand either Obama OR Clinton -- because they are both too conservative for his tastes.



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Reply #1058 on: January 14, 2017, 01:23:11 AM
Let me cherry pick.

What lies about the Bengahzi incident?

Please be specific. Don't paint with a broad brush.
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Reply #1059 on: January 14, 2017, 06:26:14 AM
Actually, it depends on how one defines "a scandal".  If a scandal is defined as resulting in an indictment based on proof of actual criminal wrongdoing by the President or the President' staff, then the Obama presidency has been scandal free.  That's right, none. Zero. Zilch.

In contrast, the presidency of Ronald Reagan was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the indictment or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any U.S. president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals

IMO Obama's "scandals" were really non-scandals and all partisan in nature.  Fast and Furious was a program begun under George W. Bush.  Eric Holder continued it because it did not make sense to say "stop everything you've been working on until I decide it should be continued."  Government agencies simply cannot operate that way. 

As for Benghazi, there were seven congressional investigations all of which concluded there was no wrongdoing HRC's part.  All these investigations did was provide a soapbox for several conspiracy theories that had no real basis in fact. Sadly, many people did not notice this. The GOP even admitted at one point that the investigations were partisan in nature with the aim of destroying HRC's reputation.

So if anyone has a real scandal in the Obama administration, one that resulted in criminal charges, please let me know.