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Reply #1160 on: July 27, 2018, 01:31:15 AM
In my mind, when someone says god, or higher power, or supreme being, or whatever in a similar vein, they are talking about

It doesn't matter what you assume everyone else means.  It matter what they actually mean.  Even if you redefine everyone's God as the creator, you still have to prove that we were created without a god, for which you have no evidence.

None.  Again, no evidence means you keep Looking, not tell people what other people are talking about, in your mind, to prove your point.  What people are talking about, in your mind, is not evidence, it's a delusion.

Seriously? It doesn't matter? Since my opinion is only truly relevant and only really matters to me, it definitely matters how I perceive what people are talking about.

For your second point, I totally reject such an argument. In the first place, as you said, you can't truly prove a negative, so, since I don't believe there is a god, I have no reason to waste my time seeking out evidence that can't exist. In the second place, I'm also not trying to change your mind since I honestly don't care what you think, so again, I don't have to do provide anything.

I started in this thread saying that I believe that people who believe in god, or in a creator, or whatever, are weak minded. I still believe that. I also said that those people who place their lives 'in god's hands' are even worse since as a consequence, they then do not take responsibility for their own actions.

Now, one last thought. You too can make that same argument back to me that you're not trying to change my mind either and so you to have no need to provide evidence. However, in my mind, you have been trying to do so. If so, it would then be up to you to provide supporting evidence.



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Reply #1161 on: July 27, 2018, 01:48:56 AM
Since my opinion is only truly relevant and only really matters to me, it definitely matters how I perceive what people are talking about.

Except that leaves you arguing with what you Think their point is.  So, you're arguing with yourself, and forcing a weak argument into their mouthes, to make them weak.  Again, you can't do that for an easy win, and your belief doesn't sway the argument, either way.  It's faith, whatever way you slice it.  Your faith in other people being weak, because you believe it.

Which isn't a valid argument.



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Reply #1162 on: July 27, 2018, 04:01:27 AM
Yes



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Reply #1163 on: July 27, 2018, 07:50:52 PM
Since my opinion is only truly relevant and only really matters to me, it definitely matters how I perceive what people are talking about.

Except that leaves you arguing with what you Think their point is.  So, you're arguing with yourself, and forcing a weak argument into their mouthes, to make them weak.  Again, you can't do that for an easy win, and your belief doesn't sway the argument, either way.  It's faith, whatever way you slice it.  Your faith in other people being weak, because you believe it.

Which isn't a valid argument.

No, I'm arguing against their own arguments. It's not my problem if they aren't stating them correctly.

And yes, the fall back argument that you just have to have faith. That's because there isn't any evidence.



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Reply #1164 on: July 27, 2018, 07:51:52 PM
I started in this thread saying that I believe that people who believe in god, or in a creator, or whatever, are weak minded.

Your argument is that you've got a superior mind because you arbitrarily don't believe some things that other people arbitrarily believe. It's not very bright.

Not at all. I have a completely normal mind along with everyone else who doesn't believe in falsehoods.



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Reply #1165 on: July 27, 2018, 10:42:06 PM
No, I'm arguing against their own arguments.

No, you clearly said that you believe when anyone says "God" they actually mean the creator.  In your mind.  Which is not true, it's never been true, that's your argument.  Stating their argument for you to refute it is called a Strawman Argument.  It's just as valid as Ad Hominem on it's face.

If you want to debate someone's argument, then talk to someone who's right here, making points.  Not what everyone who's not here, in this debate, believes in your mind.

Again, all that's in your mind, evidence of Delusion, not intellectual superiority.
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Reply #1166 on: July 28, 2018, 03:36:40 AM
Since my opinion is only truly relevant and only really matters to me, it definitely matters how I perceive what people are talking about.

Except that leaves you arguing with what you Think their point is.  So, you're arguing with yourself, and forcing a weak argument into their mouthes, to make them weak.  Again, you can't do that for an easy win, and your belief doesn't sway the argument, either way.  It's faith, whatever way you slice it.  Your faith in other people being weak, because you believe it.

Which isn't a valid argument.

A former Christian pastor I know once told me "What other people think of me is none of my business."




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Reply #1167 on: July 29, 2018, 05:21:19 AM


If all of known known time was scaled to a year... Buddha appeared 6 seconds ago, Christ a bit less than 5, and Mohamned hasn’t even been around 4 seconds.  So please tell me again how your god is the one true master of time space and dimensions.



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Reply #1168 on: July 29, 2018, 05:38:35 AM
If all of known known time was scaled to a year... Buddha appeared 6 seconds ago, Christ a bit less than 5, and Mohamned hasn’t even been around 4 seconds.  So please tell me again how your god is the one true master of time space and dimensions.

Who are you talking to?  Because you said "Tell me again."  When nobody here has said anything like that.  So, nobody here is going to tell you that, again.

Look, there are plenty of devout fundamentalist christians on the internet.  None of them are here, on a forum mostly devoted to sexual taboos.  Find a forum full of devout fundamentalist christians, if you want to argue with one.  I swear they're all over the place.  Try the Literotica forums, there's buckets of them there.
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Reply #1169 on: July 29, 2018, 07:59:20 AM
If all of known known time was scaled to a year... Buddha appeared 6 seconds ago, Christ a bit less than 5, and Mohamned hasn’t even been around 4 seconds.  So please tell me again how your god is the one true master of time space and dimensions.

Who are you talking to?  Because you said "Tell me again."  When nobody here has said anything like that.  So, nobody here is going to tell you that, again.

Look, there are plenty of devout fundamentalist christians on the internet.  None of them are here, on a forum mostly devoted to sexual taboos.  Find a forum full of devout fundamentalist christians, if you want to argue with one.  I swear they're all over the place.  Try the Literotica forums, there's buckets of them there.

Dude.  You’re new here.  We’re still getting know you.  Just shut the fuck up sometimes.  End of rant.



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Reply #1170 on: July 29, 2018, 03:29:24 PM
5 months is "New."  Okay.  Shutting the fuck up, then.

"STFU Noob!" doesn't prove your intellectual superiority, either.
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Reply #1171 on: July 29, 2018, 07:59:32 PM
5 months is "New."  Okay.  Shutting the fuck up, then.

"STFU Noob!" doesn't prove your intellectual superiority, either.

You are the only one claiming intellectual superiority in this, and several other, threads.  I’ve been here longer than most, so suggesting I find another forum to make rhetorical questions (not directed to you, by the way) is crazy talk.  So is arguing Taoism with Rope, or any one of several other ad hominems you’ve engaged in.  Just chill.  That’s all I’m suggesting.



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Reply #1172 on: July 29, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
so suggesting I find another forum to make rhetorical questions

Like:

So please tell me again how your god is the one true master of time space and dimensions.


Your is a direct personal (Possessive) pronoun.  Which begged the question of "Whose?"  Also, an interrogative is typically signified by a Question Mark.  Rhetorical, or not.

ad hominems

Namecalling.  What name did I call you, Jules, or Rope Fiend?  The thing about Taoism was a misunderstanding, where a single letter (A Chi) was taken out of context.  Not "Engaging in ad hominems."
Now, WTF does this have to do with God?  Also, what does your pulling seniority prove, exactly?  

We have moderators here.  You are not one.  When one does tell me to STFU, because you're here first, then I will stop speaking my mind.
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Reply #1173 on: July 30, 2018, 01:18:26 PM
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”Feedback is always welcome.”

STFU.



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Reply #1174 on: July 30, 2018, 03:17:59 PM
STFU.

No U!  ;p

Seriously, you're going to have to do better than that.



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Reply #1175 on: July 30, 2018, 05:42:04 PM
It's really weird to watch a fight from the sidelines for once.

I don't believe in God, you may believe in God but don't force your religion on me.

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Reply #1176 on: July 30, 2018, 08:35:52 PM

It's really weird to watch a fight from the sidelines for once.

I don't believe in God, you may believe in God but don't force your religion on me.

#Resist


While I do believe in God, I, too, am having fun watching this fight from the sidelines.

One aspect that particularly amuses me is the way that each is speaking dogmatically...





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Reply #1177 on: July 30, 2018, 08:50:58 PM
Well, glad I could help entertain you both.  Since it's basically devolved to "STFU, noob!" I have to say it's pretty much over.  Fun while it lasted, but there's really nowhere to go from there.



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Reply #1178 on: July 31, 2018, 05:03:44 PM
Well, glad I could help entertain you both.  Since it's basically devolved to "STFU, noob!" I have to say it's pretty much over.  Fun while it lasted, but there's really nowhere to go from there.

I find your off topic pontification annoying.  Sorry.  We usually dislike in others what we can’t stand about ourselves.  The topic is “Does God exist?”  My post was on topic and rhetorical.  You replied,


Who are you talking to?  Because you said "Tell me again."  When nobody here has said anything like that.  So, nobody here is going to tell you that, again.


You’re very intelligent, and possess an admirable vocabulary, so I don’t believe you were dumbfounded by the use of an aside.

Apologies for telling you to... well you know.

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Reply #1179 on: July 31, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
Thanks for the recap.