Does God exist?

[Elizabeth]

Try Reading Dante's Inferno.............

Love,
Liz

[SirVenti]

I am inclined to say yes....

Why?

DNA...
an information encoding system..
capable of encoding ALL types of life..
never really evolved itself..

Memory...
To shed a tear for a lost love one..
Everything going on...
in our heads..
in our hearts..
Is not physically real..
There is a spiritual reality..

[MissBarbara]

Try Reading Dante's Inferno.............

Love,
Liz

You understand that that's a work of fiction, right?

[Elizabeth]

Try Reading Dante's Inferno.............

Love,
Liz

You understand that that's a work of fiction, right?

Of Course........
But there is a level of "Hell" for every different sin.

Love,
Liz

[RopeFiend]

Inquiring minds want to know... what level of Purgatory do excessive masturbators go to?

Love,
RopeFiend  

[Lois]

There's one for people who lust.  Damn, it must be crowded there!

[Elizabeth]

I think used car deals are sent to the seventh level of hell.........
 

Love,
Liz

[MissBarbara]

Inquiring minds want to know... what level of Purgatory do excessive masturbators go to?

Love,
RopeFiend  

Surprisingly, those guilty of "sins of the flesh" receive among the mildest punishments that Dante describes in his descent into hell. Reflecting the theology of his day, they're among the first he encounters, making them the "least worst" of the sinners he encounters.


 

[watasch]

Truly such a much more serious question than some of the flippant remarks I have read would indicate.  I have read so many responses which simply state "this is what I say it is" without any apparent thought put into the process or their ill informed claims.

Any cursory review of philosophy (a broad category) will show that people, over the centuries, have had more in-depth discussions and consideration of that question than provided by a majority of responders to this subject. 

A shame some of those with flippant remarks could not be tied down and "forced" to really examine their views and comments but then I have found flippant comments tend to be the way many relate now a days.

[Elizabeth]

Truly such a much more serious question than some of the flippant remarks I have read would indicate.  I have read so many responses which simply state "this is what I say it is" without any apparent thought put into the process or their ill informed claims.

Any cursory review of philosophy (a broad category) will show that people, over the centuries, have had more in-depth discussions and consideration of that question than provided by a majority of responders to this subject. 

A shame some of those with flippant remarks could not be tied down and "forced" to really examine their views and comments but then I have found flippant comments tend to be the way many relate now a days.

Thanks for the attitude........
But as to an answer to your remarks about us.
"Nothing is going to change, nothing will change".....The "simple" fact is that "God" is who YOU want him/her to be, God is simply (of all things) what's in your mind and what you believe (no one here is trying to change anyone) but the expressions are of each individual as to what they think (by themselves, not collectively). Those flippant comments (your term) may just be a part of the fact that this thread has gone on for so long and the fact that everyone of us has an opinion that may just be different from everyone else.

Love,
Liz
 

[watasch]

We have brains that think and ask questions.  We have serious questions that we ask besides what is for breakfast.  Those serious questions deserve serious consideration regardless of what one thinks will happen in some time in the future.  In short, thought and conversation has definitely "devolved"  to a no-thought and yes...flippant attitude.

[Elizabeth]

We have brains that think and ask questions.  We have serious questions that we ask besides what is for breakfast.  Those serious questions deserve serious consideration regardless of what one thinks will happen in some time in the future.  In short, thought and conversation has definitely "devolved"  to a no-thought and yes...flippant attitude.

First Off the question "Does God Exist" can not be answered.
No matter what you think or say, someone else will say something different, and then you or anyone saying "prove it" is useless (unless your intent is to cause an argument), Because it can't be proven. So as for it being a serious question, is it really.?? Can you prove it one way or the other.?? (so far 79 pages have not.)

Love,
Liz

[watasch]

I don't think it is a matter of "proof"...the question for the post is "does God exist".  It sounds like an open ended question that is eliciting people to use the intellect they have and start a valid "discussion" not argument.  Maybe someone will then decide they should go and search for more information.  Unless of course people post on here only to support their sense of vanity?

As for me...I enjoy good, deep conversation, regardless of the "sexual nature" of KB.  Some people have posted some very insightful comments...a shame others simply wish to degrade those comments with the use of flippant comments, pics, and what ever.

[MissBarbara]

Truly such a much more serious question than some of the flippant remarks I have read would indicate.  I have read so many responses which simply state "this is what I say it is" without any apparent thought put into the process or their ill informed claims.

Any cursory review of philosophy (a broad category) will show that people, over the centuries, have had more in-depth discussions and consideration of that question than provided by a majority of responders to this subject. 

A shame some of those with flippant remarks could not be tied down and "forced" to really examine their views and comments but then I have found flippant comments tend to be the way many relate now a days.

I disagree.

On the one hand, this is a sex board, and a sex board dedicated to the more deviant and kinky expressions of human sexuality. Complaining about one thread dedicated to philosophical and theological discussions is kinda missing the point.

On the other hand, it's a very long thread, but there have been many, many posts in this thread -- starting with the very first one -- that present honest and thoughtful discussions of this topic. Liz is correct: The question posed in the thread title can never and will never be answered, nor will any "proof" for or against the existence of God (or gods) every be intelligently be offered. But, again, that's not the point.

As for your assertion, "A shame some of those with flippant remarks could not be tied down and "forced" to really examine their views and comments," surely you're not posing requirements for the content of every post in this thread!

KB is dedicated to offering a space for the widest possible multiplicity of outlooks and viewpoints. And part of that includes posting in whatever manner each poster decides to post. Believe me, I love a good, intelligent discussion more than the average person, and I especially enjoy the intelligent, honest discussions in this particular thread -- very much including those that counter my own opinions, or that I disagree with. But if members want to post "flippantly" in this thread, that's their right, and I fully support it. And if members want to post mocking or condemning those who believe in God or who otherwise hold religious beliefs, I fully support that, too.   

If you're truly interested in this topic, and you're interested in reading honest and intelligent posts on this topic, then I suggest you scroll back and read for a while. There are many, many interesting posts to be found in this thread.

[watasch]

Nothing quite like avoiding the subject matter of the post nor even the desire for someone to elicit conversation regarding a subject that has been the topic of conversation for countless millennia.

I have never discouraged others to exercise their rights, especially when it comes to expression.  I have also, like many others on this board, also supported the idea that what you say is also open to what others think or say about your opinion.  Trying to shut someone down because you think their opinion is not worth the discussion is trying to control their right to that expression.  Now to judge the opinion as worthy or not is also a right and one to be used with the idea of how you apply that judgement will, or should, apply to you also.

As I had mentioned, this question has gone on for millennia (and as this particular post has also had a long life).  I believe it will be going on long after this board has ceased to exist.  As for other posts, what you proposed is I think relative to a straw man argument....I was not implying other posts, just this particular subject.  Anyone who has read any of my other posts will show I am just as easy to pass a flippant comment as anyone else, or even downright irrelevant.  And I have read prior posts.  Some comments were "spot on" in that they could elicit fruitful dialog, or even "forbid it" some self effort to dig and find out what is meaningful for that person.

Again, as for KB being the site:  archaeologists often find great treasures in old "trash heaps and junk yards"; who knows what could become of KB?

[Lois]

Prove to me that god does not exist.

Prove to me that Unicorns and ghosts do not exist.

None of these things can be proven. You can not prove a negative.

[RopeFiend]

I'm more concerned about whether Harvey exists...  

edit:
Wilson: [reading from an encyclopedia] "P O O K A - Pooka - from old Celtic mythology - a fairy spirit in animal form - always very large. The pooka appears here and there - now and then - to this one and that one - a benign but mischievous creature - very fond of rumpots, crackpots, and how are you, Mr. Wilson?"


Very similar scene was used in 'Xanadu' some 30 years later...

[MissBarbara]

Prove to me that god does not exist.

Prove to me that Unicorns and ghosts do not exist.

None of these things can be proven. You can not prove a negative.

Perfectly put!

[watasch]

 

Prove to me that god does not exist.

Prove to me that Unicorns and ghosts do not exist.

None of these things can be proven. You can not prove a negative.

     If I am reading your statements accurately then you, by default agree that God "can" exist along with Unicorns and ghosts? 
     Usually when one has a question about a particular belief or event they ask if it is possible then pursue along that line (the current drive for exploring space for signs of life as an example).  If one believes it is impossible for it to exist then why waste your time and energy pursuing what you believe is impossible to exist? 
     And there is a philosophical argument that's reasoning is to prove the "opposite"  One term for that argument is "Reductio ad absurdum".
     Now to see if the serious discussion can begin....

[ChirpingGirl]

Prove to me that god does not exist.

Prove to me that Unicorns and ghosts do not exist.

None of these things can be proven. You can not prove a negative.

But they do exist thanks to someone creating the idea of them. Do they actually exist as described? Probably not.


Though I'm pretty sure I have had contact with ghosts. I'm not kidding, I think I really have.