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Reply #400 on: July 07, 2012, 02:19:07 AM
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Reply #401 on: July 07, 2012, 04:43:09 AM
Thank you


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Reply #402 on: July 07, 2012, 05:04:11 AM


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Reply #403 on: July 07, 2012, 05:35:21 AM
Good question really.  But what I really want to know is this. Why is almost every picture of Jesus I have ever seen is of a Blond, light skinned Blue eyed MAN. Jesus was Jewish as history and the bible tells us. Now in the last 34 years I have been all over the world and been in the middle east on several occasions and never have I met someone from that region of the world with blond hair, light skin and blue eyes. 





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Reply #404 on: July 07, 2012, 08:00:57 AM


Don't forget, in the *story* (read: outright lies) of Jesus' conception, God got just the tip in and managed to impregnate Mary, without her knowledge OR Joseph's, and without popping her cherry.  IF that pack of outrageous bullshit happened, then half of the genetic material came from God, the California Surfer Dude.  The other half was Palestinian Jew, so obviously God's genes pack a powerful punch.

The other take on it is that the first Christian bible wasn't written until 425 A.D. (attention-deficit), so it was all pure guesswork what he'd looked like 400 years earlier.  In short: they fibbed.... LOTS.

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Reply #405 on: July 07, 2012, 08:23:52 AM
If God exists then no amount of argument will make a difference.

If God doesn't exist, no amount of argument will make a difference.

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Reply #406 on: July 07, 2012, 09:14:56 AM


I've always enjoyed the biblical version (as opposed to the factual account) of Jesus' conception.

Imagine it... Joseph and Mary, chastely asleep in their marriage bed, Mary naked and turned on her side facing away from Joseph, the covers thrown back.  God (the eternal rapist) pops in, wanks furiously for several minutes, and JUST at the point of blowing his load he slips the head of his Almighty Johnson inside Mary's virginal valley, leaving her knocked up with a kid that Joseph *knew* couldn't have been his.

Ahhhh.... the tender joy of forbidden love... and SURPRISE SEX!  :emot_laughing:

The rest of that book is equally as hilarious.

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Reply #407 on: July 07, 2012, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: toeinh20 on July 07, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: Katiebee on July 07, 2012, 08:23:52 AM
If God exists then no amount of argument will make a difference.

If God doesn't exist, no amount of argument will make a difference.

Exactly.


And it's corollary:

Religion will never be able to prove that God exists.

Science will never be able to prove that God does not exist.





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Reply #408 on: July 07, 2012, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on July 07, 2012, 05:08:29 PM

Science will never be able to prove that God does not exist.




All they need these days is a consensus!
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081101101204AAgYVlL

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Reply #409 on: July 07, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
Laffs!!  I got this as a captcha for a pron file download!  :emot_laughing:

      

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Reply #410 on: July 07, 2012, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on July 07, 2012, 05:08:29 PM
And it's corollary:
Religion will never be able to prove that God exists.
Science will never be able to prove that God does not exist.
Religious belief has little to do with proof. Since 'miracles' have dried up believers have had to rely on pure faith, for which no proof is necessary.
Science explores pretty well everything in the known universe, but what would the point be of a scientist wasting his time on intangible folk stories?


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Reply #411 on: July 08, 2012, 04:15:29 AM
Quote from: Grm on July 07, 2012, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on July 07, 2012, 05:08:29 PM
And it's corollary:
Religion will never be able to prove that God exists.
Science will never be able to prove that God does not exist.
Science explores pretty well everything in the known universe, but what would the point be of a scientist wasting his time on intangible folk stories?


I do not disagree. And yet many scientists devote a significant portion of their time on "intangible folk stories." Try reading Richard Dawkins's books "The God Delusion" and "The Greatest Show on Earth." He devotes hundreds of pages to this very topic.





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Reply #412 on: July 08, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on July 08, 2012, 04:15:29 AM
I do not disagree. And yet many scientists devote a significant portion of their time on "intangible folk stories." Try reading Richard Dawkins's books "The God Delusion" and "The Greatest Show on Earth." He devotes hundreds of pages to this very topic.
I have read both, Dawkins does address the blind faith issue, but these books are not scientific research, but the laying out of known evolutionary facts to counter hundreds of years of disinformation.


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Reply #413 on: July 08, 2012, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Grm on July 08, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on July 08, 2012, 04:15:29 AM
I do not disagree. And yet many scientists devote a significant portion of their time on "intangible folk stories." Try reading Richard Dawkins's books "The God Delusion" and "The Greatest Show on Earth." He devotes hundreds of pages to this very topic.
I have read both, Dawkins does address the blind faith issue, but these books are not scientific research, but the laying out of known evolutionary facts to counter hundreds of years of disinformation.


That's my point, Grm. When Dawkins writes in his area of expertise -- evolutionary biology -- he is breathtakingly insightful, almost compulsively readable, and, in a very real way, the last word on the subject.

But his central thesis of the book is by "proving" evolution he disproves the existence of God. And that's nonsense -- chiefly because biblical literalists and strict creationists represent a very small portion of believers worldwide. And because "proving" evolution only "disproves" the warped perception of God harbored by these biblical literalists and strict creationists. Other than these extremists, the reality of evolution and the belief in the existence of God are in no way incompatible.

In this day and age, there is no further need to demonstrate the reality of evolution. It's a scientific fact; it's what happened. And those who insist on denying it -- hardcore evangelical Christians, radical Muslims, GOP political candidates -- are so thoroughly blinkered, or so thoroughly in denial, that no amount of argument or demonstration will ever convince them otherwise.

It all goes back to a point I made further above: if atheists assert the non-existence of God, then why do they spend so much time talking about God?






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Reply #414 on: July 08, 2012, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: Farmer Miles on July 08, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
The only atheists that waste time talking about god are the ones who believe there is no god. The difference between believing there is no god and not believing there is a god is obvious and I've talked about it before in this thread.

As for Dawkins, he is a great geneticist but hardly the 'last 'word' on evolution. In fact, there is no such person in any area of science and it's important that there isn't. What he has is a gift that few are blessed with; the ability to relate highly complex scientific ideas to the general public. Another point of note is that while he makes his points in his books based around scientific theories and logic, as Grm stated, they are not research papers. That he is a man of science who wrote a book involving religion does not make science exclusive of or concerned with religion.


I don't quite understand your distinction between "atheists...who do not believe in God" and other types of atheists.

And when I referred to Dawkins as "the last word" I meant it in the manner you describe here. I'm a broadly ignorant of scientific matters, and, as you state above, I meant that Dawkins can explain evolution to a lay person like myself in a manner that is both crystal clear and utterly convincing.

Personally, I don't see a conflict between science and religion, between faith and reason, or between evolution and the belief that God is somehow responsible for the existence of the universe. Religious extremists do -- and so do men like Richard Dawkins.


   


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Reply #415 on: July 09, 2012, 12:15:49 AM
In answer to the basic question of the thread, I don't know, and I don't care.  Either they do or they don't, in the meantime, since they show no signs of interfering in day to day life, it's best to act as though they don't.

(I initial response was, "Who cares?", but it's obvious that a lot of people do.)

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Reply #416 on: July 09, 2012, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: Farmer Miles on July 09, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on July 08, 2012, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: Farmer Miles on July 08, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
The only atheists that waste time talking about god are the ones who believe there is no god. The difference between believing there is no god and not believing there is a god is obvious and I've talked about it before in this thread.

As for Dawkins, he is a great geneticist but hardly the 'last 'word' on evolution. In fact, there is no such person in any area of science and it's important that there isn't. What he has is a gift that few are blessed with; the ability to relate highly complex scientific ideas to the general public. Another point of note is that while he makes his points in his books based around scientific theories and logic, as Grm stated, they are not research papers. That he is a man of science who wrote a book involving religion does not make science exclusive of or concerned with religion.


I don't quite understand your distinction between "atheists...who do not believe in God" and other types of atheists.

And when I referred to Dawkins as "the last word" I meant it in the manner you describe here. I'm a broadly ignorant of scientific matters, and, as you state above, I meant that Dawkins can explain evolution to a lay person like myself in a manner that is both crystal clear and utterly convincing.

Personally, I don't see a conflict between science and religion, between faith and reason, or between evolution and the belief that God is somehow responsible for the existence of the universe. Religious extremists do -- and so do men like Richard Dawkins.


   


Someone who believes there is no god is still blindly believing something that can't be proven. Not so for someone who does not believe there is a god.


Got it. And it's an interesting distinction.





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Reply #417 on: July 10, 2012, 05:51:10 AM
I am an agnostic atheist.  I do not believe there is enough evidence (knowledge) for me to believe a God exists.  For me, to believe in God would require a belief in the supernatural. 

To be a agnostic thiest, you do not believe there is enough evidence (knowledge) but you have faith that there is a God.

To be a gnostic atheist, you do believe there is enough evidence (knowledge) to show no God exists.

To be a gnostic theist, you believe there is enough evidence (knowledge) to show God exists - no faith required.


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Reply #418 on: July 10, 2012, 10:09:22 AM
That is a good explanation clowns, for Barbara and Farmer Miles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism


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Reply #419 on: July 10, 2012, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: Grm on July 10, 2012, 10:09:22 AM
That is a good explanation clowns, for Barbara and Farmer Miles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism


Thanks. This explains things perfectly.





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