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Reply #100 on: May 29, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
The eternal question, literally.

May I say that as far as I can see God exists in some form, but God is not human. Therefore God does not have human emotions (and therefore cannot be angry or jealous) and is far more concerned about the grander scheme of things than whether people call he/she/it anything at all or wail when they pray or wear hats on certain days. 

I also think if God exists in the greater universe then he/she/it is not so preoccupied with us as some religions claim.  It may well be he/she/it isn't much bothered about our sexual lives or urges and sees no reason to take notice.  In fact, if God did create us all then this being knew full well we would fuck, fart, rub, fondle, scissor, 69, laugh, and give pleasure.

Unless it was all a game and this being is saying; "Wow, didn't think they would do that."  In which case, it is all a bit imperfect, and God is argued as being perfect.

For all I know God wants us to have a good time.  So I am happy with my concept of God. I am also happy others don't share it.  Either way it makes no difference ultimately.

Of course if he/she/it doesn't exist then it doesn't matter what I think.  If this being exists then my thoughts don't matter at all.



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Reply #101 on: May 30, 2008, 01:58:03 PM
excellent post circ

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Reply #102 on: June 01, 2008, 08:10:16 PM
What is God?



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Reply #103 on: June 01, 2008, 09:09:31 PM
I just want to say that faith has gotten a lot of people through a lot of things.  Some people give the word religion such negative connotations, but I don't see what's wrong with believing something, somewhere is there.  Should God take the blame for our mistakes, or for the death of innocent people? Should God take credit when a sick person gets better?  These are my questions.  I don't doubt His existence. 



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Reply #104 on: June 02, 2008, 09:06:44 AM
I just want to say that faith has gotten a lot of people through a lot of things.  Some people give the word religion such negative connotations, but I don't see what's wrong with believing something, somewhere is there.  Should God take the blame for our mistakes, or for the death of innocent people? Should God take credit when a sick person gets better?  These are my questions.  I don't doubt His existence. 

Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I don't respect those that do. There's nothing wrong with belief and as you say faith can be a comfort to many people. The problem is not all are so tolerant of others faith or lack of it.



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Reply #105 on: June 03, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
Talking of faith I see OB  has lost faith in his church, having ditched it in his quest for the best paid employee of GTRI



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Reply #106 on: June 04, 2008, 12:30:19 PM
It kind of pisses me off when I see Christian people here. People that have read the KA stories and gotten off to them, and then went out and voted Christian, or supported organizations that would see this place burned to the ground and me swinging in the breeze.

Guess what fuckers? You're going to be strung up right next to me.


Totally agree.  I, like Gia, was raised strictly Catholic and to this day I can't say I believe a damn thing.  If there really is a god, he wouldn't make innocent people suffer or die young when there's murderers and rapists living to be 90. 

Who cares at this point, the way I see it, live your life how you want while you're here, worry about where you go after death later!


God does not make innocent people suffer, people make people suffer if you were raised Catholic you might have heard something about free will since God created mankind with that.
Yes you can live your live the way you want to, but make up your mind where you want to go after death, before death and not later.



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Reply #107 on: June 04, 2008, 11:34:18 PM
God does not make innocent people suffer, people make people suffer if you were raised Catholic you might have heard something about free will since God created mankind with that.

True, you learn so much from Catholic priests ...."My child, cum into my folds".



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Reply #108 on: June 04, 2008, 11:55:52 PM



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Reply #109 on: June 09, 2008, 01:19:42 AM
Quote
Moderator: We're here today to debate the hot new topic, evolution versus Intelligent Des---

(Scientist pulls out baseball baat.)

Moderator: Hey, what are you doing?

(Scientist breaks Intelligent Design advocate's kneecap.)

Intelligent Design advocate: YEAAARRRRGGGHHHH! YOU BROKE MY KNEECAP!

Scientist: Perhaps it only appears that I broke your kneecap. Certainly, all the evidence points to the hypothesis I broke your kneecap. For example, your kneecap is broken; it appears to be a fresh wound; and I am holding a baseball bat, which is spattered with your blood. However, a mere preponderance of evidence doesn't mean anything. Perhaps your kneecap was designed that way. Certainly, there are some features of the current situation that are inexplicable according to the "naturalistic" explanation you have just advanced, such as the exact contours of the excruciating pain that you are experiencing right now.

Intelligent Design advocate: AAAAH! THE PAIN!

Scientist: Frankly, I personally find it completely implausible that the random actions of a scientist such as myself could cause pain of this particular kind. I have no precise explanation for why I find this hypothesis implausible --- it just is. Your knee must have been designed that way!

Intelligent Design advocate: YOU BASTARD! YOU KNOW YOU DID IT!

Scientist: I surely do not. How can we know anything for certain? Frankly, I think we should expose people to all points of view. Furthermore, you should really re-examine whether your hypothesis is scientific at all: the breaking of your kneecap happened in the past, so we can't rewind and run it over again, like a laboratory experiment. Even if we could, it wouldn't prove that I broke your kneecap the previous time. Plus, let's not even get into the fact that the entire universe might have just popped into existence right before I said this sentence, with all the evidence of my alleged kneecap-breaking already pre-formed.

Intelligent Design advocate: That's a load of bullshit sophistry! Get me a doctor and a lawyer, not necessarily in that order, and we'll see how that plays in court!

Scientist (turning to audience): And so we see, ladies and gentlemen, when push comes to shove, advocates of Intelligent Design do not actually believe any of the arguments that they profess to believe. When it comes to matters that hit home, they prefer evidence, the scientific method, testable hypotheses, and naturalistic explanations. In fact, they strongly privilege naturalistic explanations over supernatural hocus-pocus or metaphysical wankery. It is only within the reality-distortion field of their ideological crusade that they give credence to the flimsy, ridiculous arguments which we so commonly see on display. I must confess, it kind of felt good, for once, to be the one spouting free-form bullshit; it's so terribly easy and relaxing, compared to marshaling rigorous arguments backed up by empirical evidence. But I fear that if I were to continue, then it would be habit-forming, and bad for my soul. Therefore, I bid you adieu.



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Reply #110 on: June 09, 2008, 02:28:20 AM
If you are asking if god exist? You must already have a clue. He does exist in everyone who believes in something bigger than them selves. It should not matter what you call your god, or how you praise him or her. What should be most important is to believe in something.

Don't wish for what won't happen. Make what you want to happen to you.


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Reply #111 on: June 09, 2008, 07:37:54 AM
If you are asking if god exist? You must already have a clue. He does exist in everyone who believes in something bigger than them selves. It should not matter what you call your god, or how you praise him or her. What should be most important is to believe in something.
Why is it necessary to believe in 'something'?  Human beings have a limited life span, we all know we will die, so what comes next? This is why humans have been inventing 'something to believe in' for thousands of years.

I like to think it started with love, our father dies, he was old the oldest man in the village, almost 25 years old. We leave his body on a platform of hazel so that the wolves and jackals cannot reach him. Coming back every night to leave him food in case he awakes. His body becomes bones and so the family gather them and take them to the sacred hill to rest with the others. This way we can always find father and talk with him, all of his children loved him.
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Reply #112 on: July 10, 2008, 08:53:23 AM
As a REV. in the "Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agonstic" I would like to put forward our approach..

" WE dont know,,and we dont care"

 8) :roll: ;D

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Reply #113 on: July 11, 2008, 06:07:24 AM
I have already posted my serious response to this thread,

 I do like to tell the story of a place of worship in the city of Springfield, MO- the home of the world headquarters of the Assemblies of god and at last count 4 Bible Colleges and a couple of so-called faith based "Universities"

 When I enter the city the first place I go to reminds me of the fishermen and the fishers of men who were Jesus' disciples.  I enter the building with reverence, fill myself with the wisdom and the tools to carry on this fine tradition, leave a substantial offering to help them carry on with this important ministry, and as I depart I turn and say thanks to the Lord for the World Miinsties of BassPro.

AS my Grand dad used to say to gram when it came time to go to church on sunday: "Honey you worship your way and I'll worship with SimonPeter as I sit with my fishin pole on the banks of Trouts Pond contemplating what is right with the world."

   "If I lick the Henna off the small of a back;   Will it dye my tongue? And if I swallow it down; Will it tattoo my heart?"


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Reply #114 on: July 11, 2008, 09:27:28 AM
Stefanwolf

Great place to worship !!

at one time in my life (age 17) I had 27 lisc. ministers in my immediate family..Both parents, 2 grandparents, numerous uncles, 3 cousins and 1 greatgrandmother... any questions as to why I am on a porn site and do NOT go to church???

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Reply #115 on: July 13, 2008, 03:06:05 AM
Stefanwolf

Great place to worship !!

at one time in my life (age 17) I had 27 lisc. ministers in my immediate family..Both parents, 2 grandparents, numerous uncles, 3 cousins and 1 greatgrandmother... any questions as to why I am on a porn site and do NOT go to church???
  hehe I can understand.   But a lot of religious people dont.  After all Jesus didnt judge, didnt hang around temples, and certainly accepted all people of children of god.

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Reply #116 on: July 17, 2008, 06:13:11 PM
I guess I don't feel like I know enough to say Yes or No to this question.  I was raised Southern Baptist, but I have a problem with blind faith.  I guess I think if there IS a God, you should be able to question and examine the stories that are presented to you as truths.  I've read a lot of the Bible, but I've always had this fantasy of people thousands of years from now finding a book of ours and it becoming like the "new" Bible.  Aesop's Fables, maybe, or 1984.  If most of us were wiped out, and only a few artifacts remained, what would the generations that followed believe?  Word-of-mouth stories about how things used to be are no match, over the years, of something that people can hold or see.  So if I'm left wondering about the origin of the world, and I really need a concrete answer, then of course this book that thousands of other people believe is true, could be a comforting answer- to someone who isn't willing to ponder the fact that "God" is only one possible theory out of millions.  A lot of people hear something that makes sense, and they stop learning or wondering.  If it's the truth, you should be able to question it, test it, and any new evidence that could emerge shouldn't dispute it, but verify it.

I'm not a scientist or a genius, but I know I can't wrap my mind around the concept that mankind has discovered all there is about the world and what's around it.  I don't know what's out there, but I think everyone has the right to their own beliefs, and I couldn't ridicule someone or put them down either way.



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Reply #117 on: July 18, 2008, 04:02:40 AM
A lot of people hear something that makes sense, and they stop learning or wondering.  If it's the truth, you should be able to question it, test it, and any new evidence that could emerge shouldn't dispute it, but verify it.

I think truth and fact are very different. Truth isn't universal, though it is often presented as such (especially moral truths). The speed of light, however, doesn't change with your religion or social mores. Francis Bacon once said "If we begin with certainties, we will end in doubt. But if we begin with doubts and bear them patiently, we may end in certainty."

In other words, those who are unwilling to question their faith are the most easily swayed. Those are the sorts of people we see follow televangelists, or blindly label themselves as 'spiritual' and move from one religious fad to the next. We see these people change their religion often throughout their lifetime, never questioning religion itself.


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Reply #118 on: July 20, 2008, 10:26:43 PM
The question should be does nature exist, does the sun exist? Believe in nature and you are believing in God. God might be forgiving, but nature isn't. Global warming is nature warning us of the catastrophes which are going to, and have, been happening. So you have been warned.



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Reply #119 on: July 20, 2008, 11:32:25 PM
The question should be does nature exist, does the sun exist? Believe in nature and you are believing in God. God might be forgiving, but nature isn't. Global warming is nature warning us of the catastrophes which are going to, and have, been happening. So you have been warned.