Does God exist?

[Katiebee]

You're going to burn in Hell for those remarks, you two.

Come to think of it, so am I because I have sex with those with whom I share the same gender. Toe, bring the suntan lotion and the Grey Goose, citlcr, put more shrimp on the barbie, I'll be coming with you.

[Gina Marie]

[Lostforkate]

One thing to consider. A lot of of people appear angry at God, even if they don't believe in God because of how they have been treated negatively by certain believers. It does not negate the over ride logic that God does not exist, or provide logic to what God is. Being friend with many believers over time, is that most are awesome people, and do not judge others, and are caring people.

Allow any search or understanding or relationship with God between u and God, and not colored by the negative experiences of people who controlling.

Let's say I have several lesbian gay friends who are awesome, but I also know this bossy butch lesbian at work who is a mean spirited person, hates all men, she is only nice to tall blonds women, etc. l do not judge GLBT lifestyle off the loudest ones.

Soon in the west, there will be some christians who reflect open crucification as that God, came to live with them, was blameless, replaced the passover lamb once and for all, that yet while they were sinners, died for them, so that some day, God may have fellowship with them, and them with God.

If u look at the life or Christ, and His moral teachings, there is not a lot to be argued with.

[chris r]

I had an old friend go on a rant yesterday that someone on my wall had used the "Lord's name in vain" on Facebook.

I replied, "There are 1.0 Billion Facebook accounts, and the Lord Jesus Almighty checks each one of them, every day, for blasphemy, because that's just the way he rolls now.  Funny, it seems like just yesterday he was asking God to forgive the people who crucified Him, because 'they know not what they do.'  I guess that whole 'resurrection thing' turned Him into some kind of asshole."

He de-friended me.  I guess Jesus just hangs with prostitutes and tax collectors.  Never ass hats on Facebook.

Off the subject but this is why Facebook sucks sometimes.

It has you accept people as "friends" that clearly are not. I mean if this was a true friend of yours you would not have responded to him in such a disrespectful way about something that he takes very seriously, even if you don't.

I think they should come up with some other another term for FB "friends". Maybe we should make a poll for possible new terms and submit it to them.

Facefriends? Friendbookies? Peopleonfacebookthataren'tfriendsbutIwanttostalk?

[Katiebee]

Lostforkate, I don't think that we have a problem with the Christians oh are good people and treat others as thy would like to be treated.

It's the ine's who want to control out lives, who seem to want to reinstitute the Inquiustion, the intolerant ones, the ine's who find it an affribttitheir religion when someone isn't in full agreement with their beliefs, that we take up arms against.

It's the True Believers who want to burn us at the stake with whom we have an argument.

[chris r]

Lostforkate, I don't think that we have a problem with the Christians oh are good people and treat others as thy would like to be treated.

It's the ine's who want to control out lives, who seem to want to reinstitute the Inquiustion, the intolerant ones, the ine's who find it an affribttitheir religion when someone isn't in full agreement with their beliefs, that we take up arms against.

It's the True Believers who want to burn us at the stake with whom we have an argument.

I'd say if they are "True Believers" then they are trying to live by the golden rule. It's "Christians" who cloak themselves in religion to justify their prejudice and ignorance are not "True Believers".

I'd say being religious does not necessarily mean you are a believer or a Christian, just religious.

[Lostforkate]

It is ironic that people from opposing viewpoints all want freedom of expression.

It is interesting that some GLBT activists have such a negative view of christianity, when they are able to pursue their lifestyle in countries that were once predominately christian, and more open the "pursuit of happiness" types of rights. And ok, there are some obnoxious christians, I can not deny that.

To be honest, I think any True Believer should be support any law changes that support freedom of expression.

Anyway, this thread was about "does God exist?" And my point is that people should not view God through the colored glasses of poor experiences with the more vocal and negative religious people.

[Dgan]

God, the Big Bang/Center of the Universe, and the universe actually having a defined size.

3 things that make less than no sense whatsoever... but hey, people do get creative, don't they?


To some degree everyone is an atheist. If you don't believe in all gods it's easy to figure out why someone doesn't believe in yours.  If you believe in all gods then you will spend most of your life contradicting yourself.  The proverbial catch-22.

[Elizabeth]

The Muslim Religion .....very dangerous....very extreme.....and the only religion that has written in it text (the koran) to kill non-beliver's (actually those that will not convert shall be put to death)....no other religion promotes murder.

[Dgan]

Odd thing to think of when it comes to religion is how many have killed in it's name (or at least using it's name even if they don't remotely believe in it).

Too bad there is no way to ever truly know since history, text, the defeated, etc. could never tally a proper #, but I wonder which religion has killed more people. Muslims, Christianity, etc. Jihad, Crusades, inquisitions, it's all the same general rhetoric dolled up with a different name and all of them equally guilty.

[Katiebee]

I refer to True Believer in the context of the Eric Hoffer book, The True Believers.

[Lostforkate]

KB, ur statement certainly makes a lot more sense given the Eric Hoffer reference.

Concerning the other comments on religion and war of the last 100 years millions were killed in the two last world wars, and neither war was about religion, but power. The millions, I am not hundred of millions, but I know it vastly outweighs religious over the centuries.

Going back a little further in america, the civil war was very bloody, and it was state rights, and eventually ended istitution of slaverly.

And in europe, napoleon was about conquest as well.

In se asia, the kmer rouge kill many, and that was also about conquest.

We must consider some islamic nations very dangerous, who do use religion to inspire its people, but I have a feel the next dictator to start a war will ne north korea's.

But do remember sadam hussein was dictator, with an impressive army, and thumbed his nose at the world, but was not of any real military power. It was all a puffed up show. Let us north korea is the same

[Dgan]

Quite a reasonable point on the body counts of wars, Lost, and it's something I actually looked up the stats on when having a debate with a friend.

Still, it seems religion has played a large amount in the past as well as the current wars and what is likely heading to a few future ones as well.

Race, religion, wealth, women (breeding stock for lack of a better term, give or take one or two key women of history) and resources, especially food, will always trigger conflict among humans. The last two, of course, among animals as well (territorial disputes and breeding/survival of the species).  You just can't get around them.

It seems every 50-100 years as the population starts to get too far ahead of it we, or nature, finds a nice way to knock us back a few notches.  We have way too many people on the planet now and something will come along to fix that. A few close calls from a meteor were amusing, too. lol

[Katiebee]

KB, ur statement certainly makes a lot more sense given the Eric Hoffer reference.

Concerning the other comments on religion and war of the last 100 years millions were killed in the two last world wars, and neither war was about religion, but power. The millions, I am not hundred of millions, but I know it vastly outweighs religious over the centuries.

Going back a little further in america, the civil war was very bloody, and it was state rights, and eventually ended istitution of slaverly.

And in europe, napoleon was about conquest as well.

In se asia, the kmer rouge kill many, and that was also about conquest.

We must consider some islamic nations very dangerous, who do use religion to inspire its people, but I have a feel the next dictator to start a war will ne north korea's.

But do remember sadam hussein was dictator, with an impressive army, and thumbed his nose at the world, but was not of any real military power. It was all a puffed up show. Let us north korea is the same

I believe that the last religious war in the west was in the 17th and early 18th Centuries, The wars of the Vendee. Unless you count Napoleon's conquest of Spain, as that ended the last remnants of the Spanish Inquisition.

[chris r]

I refer to True Believer in the context of the Eric Hoffer book, The True Believers.

Stop being all smart and stuff...damn you Katiebee!

[Gina Marie]

The Muslim Religion... very dangerous... very extreme...

According to Fox News.

and the only religion that has written in it text (the koran) to kill non-beliver's (actually those that will not convert shall be put to death)....no other religion promotes murder.

Leviticus 24:17 - And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.

Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Deuteronomy 21:18 - If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 - Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 - And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 - And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

22 - And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

23 - His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

[UmmOkay]

[Gina Marie]

[MissBarbara]

Well, I suppose Pastafarians need love, too....

[UmmOkay]