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Offline Leadfoot

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Reply #340 on: February 04, 2012, 03:34:25 AM


PS I haven't had the time to peruse all of this thread, so I hope this is not a repost.


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Reply #341 on: February 04, 2012, 04:17:32 AM


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Reply #342 on: February 07, 2012, 05:32:39 PM
God is a manifestation of the Human Race.
Man Created God to explain the unexplainable.
(scientific version)...which is most closely what I believe.
So......my question to the religious of you is the simple or not so simple:
How do you explain the 64 million years "before" man existed?
(1)  T-Rex did not create God.
(2)  Adam and Eve (no matter how much you want to believe) did not "name" all the animals of the earth or Garden of Eden....If they were alive during the age of dinosaurs, they would have been food.
(3)  Religion says the world started about 4,000 years ago (clearly not true).
(4)  Anything "before" the bible is false (who started this rumor?).
(5)  The world and everything was created in 7 Days ??....you can't even build a house in 7 days let alone a planet.!!
(6)  Clearly..to much happened prior to man even beginning to walk on this planet, let alone at the point "God" suddenly appeared in the lives of humans.

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Reply #343 on: February 07, 2012, 06:13:42 PM

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.

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Reply #344 on: February 07, 2012, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: Elizabeth on February 07, 2012, 05:32:39 PM
God is a manifestation of the Human Race.
Man Created God to explain the unexplainable.
(scientific version)...which is most closely what I believe.
So......my question to the religious of you is the simple or not so simple:
How do you explain the 64 million years "before" man existed?
(1)  T-Rex did not create God.
(2)  Adam and Eve (no matter how much you want to believe) did not "name" all the animals of the earth or Garden of Eden....If they were alive during the age of dinosaurs, they would have been food.
(3)  Religion says the world started about 4,000 years ago (clearly not true).
(4)  Anything "before" the bible is false (who started this rumor?).
(5)  The world and everything was created in 7 Days ??....you can't even build a house in 7 days let alone a planet.!!
(6)  Clearly..to much happened prior to man even beginning to walk on this planet, let alone at the point "God" suddenly appeared in the lives of humans.

 :sign_youdontreallybelieveallt :sign_wierdthread:   

Love,

Liz



The chief problem with what you say here, Liz, is the exact same problem that marred Richard Dawkins's book "The God Delusion." And the problem is two-fold: you lump all religious believers, regardless of sect, into one catch-all group, and then you attribute to the entirety of all believers the beliefs of a tiny percentage of that group. Specifically, you (and Dawkins) attribute specific views about the universe and how it came about held by a tiny number of fundamentalist believers -- tiny in proportion to those who believe in some type of God worldwide -- and then state them as tenets held by all believers.

In reality, very few who believe in God believe that Adam and Eve were literally the first humans on earth and that all humans are directly descended from them (or that they literally "named" all the animals -- though that is one of my favorite Bob Dylan songs); or that the world came into existence 4,000 years ago; or that anything "before" the bible is false; or that the world and everything was created in 7 Days; or, perhaps most important, that evolution and belief in God directly and irreconcilably contradict one another.

Yes, these do seem to be the beliefs of creationists and Biblical literalists. But, as I said, those beliefs are held by a tiny minority of believers worldwide. And you're absolutely correct that science has very handily disproven every one of these assertions, and many others like them.

Further, the question you pose, as you pose it, is per se contradictory. You begin by stating your belief -- that humans created God -- and then challenge to answer the question, "How do you explain the 64 million years "before" man existed?" In other words, you're asking believers to justify your beliefs, and not their own.





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Reply #345 on: February 11, 2012, 07:52:48 AM
So dd Jesus even really exist?

Did a historical Jesus exist?
by Jim Walker
originated: 12 June 1997 / additions: 30 Jan. 2011

Amazingly, the question of an actual historical Jesus rarely confronts the religious believer. The power of faith has so forcefully driven the minds of most believers, and even apologetic scholars, that the question of reliable evidence gets obscured by tradition, religious subterfuge, and outrageous claims. The following gives a brief outlook about the claims of a historical Jesus and why the evidence the Christians present us cannot serve as justification for reliable evidence for a historical Jesus.

ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

continued:  http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm



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Reply #346 on: February 11, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
Another interesting fact is:
While you read a lot about Jesus and his Mother Mary in the bible, almost nothing is written about his father (earthly) Joseph at all (anywhere).

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Reply #347 on: February 22, 2012, 04:03:15 AM


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Reply #348 on: February 22, 2012, 04:06:17 AM
You really don't want to know what Anthropology says about religion.

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

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Reply #349 on: February 24, 2012, 11:39:26 PM

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.

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Reply #350 on: February 25, 2012, 04:01:03 AM
Quote from: Leadfoot on February 04, 2012, 04:17:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dknumOcNVcU

I just want to thank you Leadfoot for posting that. I've never seen that before and really loved hearing it. I myself haven't believed in God since early teens and always battled with Atheism. It seems logical but a small part of me has always screamed out wanting to believe in something but unable to find it. I can only long for the day when I can reconcile my faithlessness and life as Grevais stated so sincerely and beautifully.

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Reply #351 on: March 10, 2012, 05:54:37 PM
Doesn't have to do with the existence of God per say but does present the awesomeness of our existence in relation to the universe in a rather interesting way.

Autotune haters be warned.



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Reply #352 on: March 30, 2012, 03:11:04 AM
Quote from: Lois on February 11, 2012, 07:52:48 AM
So dd Jesus even really exist?

Did a historical Jesus exist?
by Jim Walker
originated: 12 June 1997 / additions: 30 Jan. 2011

Amazingly, the question of an actual historical Jesus rarely confronts the religious believer. The power of faith has so forcefully driven the minds of most believers, and even apologetic scholars, that the question of reliable evidence gets obscured by tradition, religious subterfuge, and outrageous claims. The following gives a brief outlook about the claims of a historical Jesus and why the evidence the Christians present us cannot serve as justification for reliable evidence for a historical Jesus.

ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

continued:  http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

So anyone who didn't write an autobiography didn't really exist and their existence is only supported by hearsay which you say cannot not be relied on for the truth of what is stated.

(fixed quote tags - lois)
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Reply #353 on: April 01, 2012, 02:09:20 AM
Well that's part of the argument being made, but certainly not all of it.


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Reply #354 on: April 01, 2012, 04:57:52 AM



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Reply #355 on: April 01, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
Holy Crap Toe........
Where On Earth Did Those Drawings Come From??
I'm not religious by any means but even by my standards "THOSE DRAWINGS" are "OFFENSIVE".
To portray "JESUS" like that is just plain "WRONG".
Sorry, but that's my feelings......

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Reply #356 on: April 01, 2012, 11:27:43 PM
I was surprised by those pics too. I was never one for the confrontational atheist approach.

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Reply #357 on: April 02, 2012, 04:31:33 AM


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Reply #358 on: April 09, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
Quote from: Elizabeth on April 01, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
Holy Crap Toe........
Where On Earth Did Those Drawings Come From??
I'm not religious by any means but even by my standards "THOSE DRAWINGS" are "OFFENSIVE".
To portray "JESUS" like that is just plain "WRONG".
Sorry, but that's my feelings......

Love,

Liz


Nothing wrong with it at all. It's just like those cartoons about mohamed. Harmless humour. If someone is a secure, emotionally matured adult who is confident in their religion and a civilized human being, then cartoons drawn by those who don't beleive in religion should not offend., and certianly shouldn't cause any kind of uproar.

It's like when Madonna combined sexual imagery with catholic imagery. Some whined, but most just took it like adults.

While you're waiting in vain for that apology, why don't you make yourself useful by getting on your knees and opening your mouth

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Reply #359 on: May 07, 2012, 04:24:16 AM


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