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Reply #60 on: August 09, 2015, 03:15:31 AM
http://observer.com/2015/08/breaking-cheryl-mills-to-destroy-emails-about-hillary-clinton/

Will Hillary and her Left and Right hand co-conspirators ignore the Judges Order and destroy evidence? Will Congress sit back and wait for Humma's emails, or find a way to get their hands on evidence independent of the U.S. Department of State, and the U.S. Department of Justice?

Curious minds want to know. Joe Klein says campaign insiders are leaking the intent is to stall, (witness the pushing back of Democrat Primary Debates by at least ten weeks), and begin mass big money advertising, so Hillary can stop any serious new candidates, and lock up the Democrat Nomination, before the expected indictment to arise from the Criminal Inquiry now in progress at the FBI and other interested Agencies.

How "low" will they go... Democrats... apparently very very low, is the Campaign expectation to assure Hillary the nomination. We shall see...

It's "her turn"...

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Reply #61 on: August 09, 2015, 04:12:37 AM

#BlackLivesMatter
Arrest The Cops Who Killed Breonna Taylor

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Reply #62 on: August 09, 2015, 05:09:34 AM
Aww, Sport, you can get lower than that... there is no floor for Athos!
No defense of Humma, or Cheryl, or Hillary? You are slipping, Assthos...

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Reply #63 on: August 09, 2015, 01:41:36 PM

#BlackLivesMatter
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Reply #64 on: August 09, 2015, 08:58:10 PM
Curious if people will admit to liking her or if she is just the candidate they think can win.

I like her.  I will vote for her. 



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Reply #65 on: August 11, 2015, 08:41:07 PM
No. It did not. The lending rate does, however the decision to make loans based upon no due diligence is a business practice decision of the lender. Even in times when there's easily obtainable credit it is still the responsibility of the lender to vet the ability of the borrower to repay the loan.

Otherwise it is 't a business model that is sustainable.

It appears that you think that the lending institutions are controlled by available money from the Fed. No. The lending institutions have money from their investors deposits, upon which they draw to make loans. They borrow from other institutions to cover their positions in Short term instruments.

I am amazed that you believe that good business practices and fiscal responsibility is not the purview of the lending institutions.

On the backside, the Fed has loosened the lending rate to enable these same institutions to make loans for the past 6 years, and institutions have not, until recently loosened the purse strings.

So the real question is, what version of reality are you living in? Your own private Idaho is not where the rest of us are.

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Reply #66 on: August 12, 2015, 03:52:56 AM
Why do people lie so much?  Are why are the liars mostly conservatives?

Fed Study Debunks Conservative Myth That Affordable Housing Policies Caused Subprime Crisis

Conservatives for years have pushed a flawed and largely-debunked narrative about the origins of the financial crisis. They claim that misguided government housing policies forced Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac (the GSE’s), and other financial institutions to take on unprecedented levels of risk, creating a bubble and bust in the subprime housing market that sparked financial catastrophe.

To test that theory — which New York Times columnist Joe Nocera dubbed the “Big Lie” — the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis recently investigated whether affordable housing policies had any influence on the price or proliferation of subprime mortgages in the mid-2000s. Spoiler alert — they didn’t:

We find no evidence that lenders increased subprime originations or altered pricing around the discrete eligibility cutoffs for the Government Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs) affordable housing goals or the Community Reinvestment Act. Our results indicate that the extensive purchases of risky private-label mortgage-backed securities by the GSEs were not due to affordable housing mandates.

The study analyzed loan- and neighborhood-level data in California and Florida. It found no statistical relationship between the two federal housing policies — which have been the central focus of conservative attacks in recent years — and the price or availability of subprime loans, even after controlling for the loan size, loan type, borrower characteristics, and other factors.

These findings shouldn’t come as a surprise. Indeed, CAP’s housing team has been making this point for years.

Here’s what really happened. During the housing bubble of the mid-2000s, over-leveraged shadow banks packaged risky subprime mortgage loans into securities and passed them along to consumers that were often unaware or misinformed of the underlying risks. It was the poor performance of these private-label securities — not those issued by Fannie and Freddie — that led to the financial meltdown, according to the bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.

Since their inception, the Community Reinvestment Act and affordable housing goals have helped millions of creditworthy low-income and minority families access affordable mortgages. Most high-risk subprime loans were originated by non-bank lenders not subject to CRA, and the loans were usually issued to middle- and high-income borrowers that did not qualify for CRA. It’s also important to note that Fannie and Freddie did not securitize subprime mortgages.

To be sure, Fannie and Freddie did eventually take on riskier mortgage products — so-called “Alt-As” — in 2006 and 2007, but they lagged the private-label market significantly in an effort to win back market share. In the end, Fannie and Freddie failed primarily because they are entirely focused on residential mortgage finance, unlike most private investment firms. So the government-sponsored enterprises were hit especially hard by the historic drop in home prices starting in 2006.

The new Fed study adds to a mountain of evidence debunking the politically-convenient conservative myth that government housing policies — not Wall Street — caused the foreclosure crisis. As Congress and the Obama administration consider how to best wind down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the coming months, facts should drive the debate, not a surreptitious campaign to rewrite the history.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/28/453978/fed-study-affordable-housing-myth/



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Reply #67 on: August 12, 2015, 05:26:14 AM
As I have stated all along, and even before this thread, it was the Gordon Gekko philosophy of business that created the sub-prime crisis. Greed.

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Reply #68 on: August 13, 2015, 01:09:04 AM
Thinkprogress? LOL, almost as bad as getting your information from a comedian.

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Reply #69 on: August 13, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Thinkprogress? LOL, almost as bad as getting your information from a comedian.

And I thought you were against ad hominem attacks?  :emot_kiss:



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Reply #70 on: August 13, 2015, 02:10:57 AM
Attacking a source as unbiased isn't an ad hom attack. Attacking you for using a source that is biased would be an ad hom attack. Here, this might help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem



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Reply #71 on: August 13, 2015, 09:44:30 PM
Sorry, but it is an ad hoc attack as you are attacking the messenger and not the message. Think Progress is biased, but they are not known for "just making shit up" unlike a certain well known conservative news source.  Also, I found the article to be supported by reliable sources.



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Reply #72 on: August 14, 2015, 02:05:07 AM
Shlong, I didn't attack Lois which would be the definition of an ad hom attack. I attacked her source as biased and it is biased, even you agree to that.  If you want to quote a source and use it as evidence then you should find a neutral source. I would suggest the best economic publication in the country like the WSJ, Forbes, Bloomberg, the Economist, ect. When evaluating the economic, particularly an issue as complex as the sub-prime crisis, you want to use non-biased experts as ultimately it is not clear science but a form of evidence called expert witness. 



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Reply #73 on: August 14, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
Except you have failed to prove how ThinkProgress's bias makes it an unreliable news source in this particular case.  The article itself pulls together a wide range of source material to prove its point, including a federal study.  Nothing was just "made up".

However, here a link to the study the article was reporting on:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/wp/2012/2012-005.pdf

And yes you were attacking the messenger and not the message.  In this case the messenger was ThinkProgress.  Now if ThinkProgress was known to lie, make stuff up, or was a known publication for satire and comedy like the Onion or the Borowitz Report, your comments would make sense.  The publication may be biased, but it still holds truth with regards to who is to blame for the subprime loan situation.



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Reply #74 on: August 14, 2015, 05:23:50 PM
For Taxman:  A scholarly treatment of the subject:  http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/REST_a_00491?journalCode=rest#.Vc4C4yZViko

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Some have suggested that housing policy, embodied by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and affordable housing goals of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs), caused the subprime crisis. We examine if these programs led to worse mortgage outcomes using two approaches. The first examines whether more activity by CRA-covered lenders, or more loan sales to the GSEs, was associated with worse outcomes. The second uses regression discontinuity to determine if outcomes were worse at the geographic thresholds used by each program. Our results suggest that neither program played a significant role in the subprime crisis.



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Reply #75 on: August 15, 2015, 06:47:20 AM
You think that I should prove that a biased source will give biased analysis? No thanks, that is a self-evident fact that any rational person would concede.

You tried to create a logical argument of an appeal to authority. That is perfectly fine to do unless your authority is not an authority, in which case it is a logical fallacy. Your source is biased and not recognized as an authority by anyone and thus you argued a logical fallacy. I dismiss those out of hand, as should we all. As I pointed out to Shlong, when you use expert witness as evidence, you have to make sure your source is non-biased and an expert. Here, this may help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_witness
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Reply #76 on: August 15, 2015, 07:56:56 AM
Why is the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis not an expert?

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Reply #77 on: August 15, 2015, 08:19:54 AM
Are you confused? We were talking about lois's claim of thinkprogress as an expert witness. Why is thinkprogress an expert? I havnt addressed Lois's new citation yet, it is late and I don't feel like reading it at 2am.



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Reply #78 on: August 15, 2015, 02:47:22 PM
The only fault with the think progress article is not providing a direct link to the Federal Reaerve Bank paper.

You arguments is an ad hominem attack, and your supporting posts are sophistry.

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Reply #79 on: August 15, 2015, 05:29:15 PM
I am sorry that this concept is confusing you, but I have explained it clearly and I think you can understand it if you work at it. As I directed Lois, try to understand the concept of expert witness as testimonial evidence and you will understand Lois's failure.

Be honest, you just want to disagree with me, don't you?