KRISTEN'S BOARD
Congratulations to 2024 Pervert of the Year Shiela_M and 2024 Author of the Year Writers Bloque!

News:

The Clinton Thread: All things Hillary

thetaxmancometh · 33610

0 Members and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Lois

  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 11,159
    • Woos/Boos: +768/-57
Reply #280 on: July 03, 2016, 06:38:52 PM
There has been speculation that Bill has tried to sabotage Hillary's campaign.  I don't think he wants to be first lady.  ;D



Offline joan1984

  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 11,270
    • Woos/Boos: +616/-270
    • Gender: Female
  • Co-POY 2011
Reply #281 on: July 04, 2016, 12:17:39 AM
   Lynch served President Bill Clinton in several ways, including his Defense for the first Clinton Impeachment. She is Holder with a skirt, no question, loyal to the Clintons and the Party, or she would not be in that position.


Ole Bill didn't do Hillary much good the other day when he met privately with Lynch, the Attorney General, on her government plane.  Supposedly the half-hour chat revolved around grandchildren. Poor timing or whatever on Bill's part since Lynch has the final say so on the current Hillary investigation.  Least Lynch owned up and said it was a mistake.

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


Offline joan1984

  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 11,270
    • Woos/Boos: +616/-270
    • Gender: Female
  • Co-POY 2011
Reply #282 on: July 05, 2016, 05:17:44 PM
FBI lists violations, and then suggests Clinton gets a FULL PASS.

Surprised?

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


TinyDancer

  • Guest
Reply #283 on: July 05, 2016, 05:35:56 PM
Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:



Offline Lois

  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 11,159
    • Woos/Boos: +768/-57
Reply #284 on: July 05, 2016, 07:40:54 PM
FBI lists violations, and then suggests Clinton gets a FULL PASS.

Surprised?


Nope.  In fact, John Kerry is the FIRST Secretary of State to use Government email.  If you slam Hillary for it, you also have to go after Condoleezza Rice and many others.  It would never even have been an issue if the GOP hadn't been made a fuss over it.  Now that we know this has been a problem in the State Department we can correct it and move on.



Offline Katiebee

  • Shield Maiden POY 2018
  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 12,197
    • Woos/Boos: +946/-14
    • Gender: Female
  • Achieving world domination, one body at a time.
Reply #285 on: July 05, 2016, 09:24:48 PM
No it wasn't a surprise. There was NO criminal activity.

To bring charges you have to have a law broken. There was no law broken.

But if your outrage is so great, then let's just ignore the role of law and persecute people for whatever whim the ruling party may have.

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.


Offline Lois

  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 11,159
    • Woos/Boos: +768/-57
Reply #286 on: July 06, 2016, 01:50:51 AM
Think she got off because the fix was in?  Then you don't know the law or the facts.

If you believed the lies about the FBI investigation, you owe it to yourself to find better sources.
By OllieGarkey 

First, I want to say to everyone who actually believed there was something to the e-mail scandal: I’m sorry that you were lied to. I don’t want this post to be a victory lap or an “I told you so” post, because the issue we’re dealing with is serious, and deserves serious thought.

What this whole story reveals is that we have a problem with churnalism. The reporters, writers, and journalists who bring us news are so understaffed that they don’t actually have time to fact check their own reporting. What most reporters do right now is just re-word whatever press release they’ve been handed. If you were someone who believed the oft-repeated lies told about the facts in this case, I’m sorry. But recognize that we don’t have effective news companies anymore, even in the new media space. In new media, people are often just re-wording what someone else previously re-worded. There’s no actual reporting.

And as citizen journalists, the lot of you are actually capable of picking up a phone and calling someone who’s the subject of a story, or an expert. Just tell them you’re a blogger, and e-mail them the resulting post. I’ve done that. I think the rest of you should consider doing it, too.

I wrote months ago that the only possible charges to bring against Clinton would be civil, and internal to the state department, requiring a sit down meeting with the president whose job it would have been to decide whether any sanction was necessary.

Based on what we knew, I argued that there would be no basis for any charges. To prove that point, I quoted the supreme court decision Gorin Vs. United States:

The obvious delimiting words in the statute are those requiring intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation. This requires those prosecuted to have acted in bad faith.

I pointed out that actual lawyers said there would be no basis for prosecution, and linked to a post by Dan Abrams. Others have pointed out that the State Department is notoriously leaky as an institution, and that this problem pre-dates Clinton. To quote the FBI today:

[W]hile not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to the use of unclassified systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information that is found elsewhere in the U.S. government.

Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server ran afoul of an executive order created by Barack Obama, not Federal law. This is something that I and others pointed out months ago. And here is what the FBI said today:

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who gauged this activity would gauge no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions, but that is not what we are deciding now.

Which, as I pointed out, would have been a sit down chat with the president for someone at cabinet level. Based on all of the evidence, there was no reason to believe that Clinton would be indicted. I said so months ago. And what did the FBI say today?

In looking back at our investigations, into the mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.

I was right, because I found expert opinions to inform my own opinion. There are plenty of people who are likely smarter than I am who fell for this nonsense because of bad information. The same law of programming that informs coders applies to our own decision making process: Garbage in, garbage out. If you’re consuming terrible journalism, you will come to factually incorrect conclusions.

On legal issues, I generally recommend LawNewz.com, and Dan Abrams in particular. I linked to his article in my own, and his analysis informed my opinion on this topic.

Again, if you were lied to, and you believed those lies, I think you owe it to yourself to go and find sources that won’t lie to you. Not for anyone else’s sake but your own.

All I ask now is that we recognize that the majority of the “News” we are exposed to — including a lot of the new media and social media stuff we’re exposed to — is created by professional bullshit peddlers who are lying to us. Let’s name and shame them, and remember not to fall for it again.



Offline Hoss

  • Total freak
  • *****
    • Posts: 631
    • Woos/Boos: +88/-2
    • Gender: Male
  • Desperate is not a sexual preference....
Reply #287 on: July 06, 2016, 07:32:19 AM
Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:

I know how you feel.....we have just been through a similar situation.....no real choice outside of "dumb" and "dumber"..... elections were last weekend and still no result. ...could be a hung parliament....what a fuckup.!!!!

Australian Kissing.....just like the French - but done "Down Under"...


Offline joan1984

  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 11,270
    • Woos/Boos: +616/-270
    • Gender: Female
  • Co-POY 2011
Reply #288 on: July 06, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:

  Hillary Clinton, if elected President, is very likely, almost certain, to bring the same people into the Oval Office as she did into her confidence at Dept of State, and she will override any challenge to the necessary Security Clearances any may receive.

  Is that what you want? If not, vote against Hillary Clinton is your best option.
Will keep your conscience clear the next four years, anyway.

  Transparency by damned.

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


Offline Lois

  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 11,159
    • Woos/Boos: +768/-57
Reply #289 on: July 06, 2016, 05:11:40 PM
No problem for me.  As the investigation found, the state department has always been lax on Security.  The protocols and procedures set up by Hillary's predecessors there were not what they should have been, and required an "audit" to expose these problems.  That will now change due to the investigation. YAY!

So maybe you think that Hillary should have noticed the problem?  Then Condi Rice should have noticed it as well.  Please step back and try to be objective.



Offline watcher1

  • POY 2010
  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 16,989
    • Woos/Boos: +1722/-57
    • Gender: Male
  • Gentleman Pervert
Reply #290 on: July 06, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:

TD  - You and many other voters.  The choices are pretty slim.  Kind of pathetic.

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds.


Offline herschel

  • Freakishly Strange
  • ******
    • Posts: 1,702
    • Woos/Boos: +222/-1
Reply #291 on: July 07, 2016, 09:52:42 AM
Between the Wicked Witch of Wall Street and the Clown, as Woody Allen says, let us hope we find the wisdom to make the right choice.



Offline Piper-Dreams

  • Freakishly Strange
  • ******
    • Posts: 1,293
    • Woos/Boos: +25/-0
    • Gender: Female
  • Meow
Reply #292 on: July 07, 2016, 12:19:40 PM
Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:

  Hillary Clinton, if elected President, is very likely, almost certain, to bring the same people into the Oval Office as she did into her confidence at Dept of State, and she will override any challenge to the necessary Security Clearances any may receive.

  Is that what you want? If not, vote against Hillary Clinton is your best option.
Will keep your conscience clear the next four years, anyway.

  Transparency by damned.


Yes, yes I do.



Offline MintJulie

  • ~. Version Number 9.2.1 ~
  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 10,993
    • Woos/Boos: +1823/-23
    • Gender: Female
  • Madame Sheriff
Reply #293 on: July 07, 2016, 06:22:35 PM
I don't like to call somebody names, but Paul Ryan is an asshole.



Ryan Moves For “Appropriate Sanctions” Against Hillary Clinton

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thought when FBI Director James Comey announced Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend an indictment to the Department of Justice that her private email server troubles were behind her and she could move on.

Thursday morning, House Speaker Paul Ryan Thursday formally requested that the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee be denied classified information briefings, which are given to both nominees, because the FBI labeled her as “careless,” The Hill reported.


.
          You might not know this, but I have a thing for Tom Brady (and Bill Clinton)


Offline watcher1

  • POY 2010
  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 16,989
    • Woos/Boos: +1722/-57
    • Gender: Male
  • Gentleman Pervert
Reply #294 on: July 07, 2016, 07:04:51 PM
The way Congress has been acting these past eight years, did it come as a surprise that the GOP would do something like this?  Maybe just once Congress would spend their energy on something constructive, say like a balanced budget?

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds.


ChirpingGirl

  • Guest
Reply #295 on: July 07, 2016, 07:08:53 PM
Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:

 :emot_thumbsup:



Offline joan1984

  • Burnt at the stake
  • *******
    • Posts: 11,270
    • Woos/Boos: +616/-270
    • Gender: Female
  • Co-POY 2011
Reply #296 on: July 07, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
Vote for Trump. Impact is at least temporary, fixable. Clinton is permanent.

Who here actually likes Hillary?

I don't and I don't like Trump either......reckon I'm fucked when it comes to elections this year.   :emot_banghead:

TD  - You and many other voters.  The choices are pretty slim.  Kind of pathetic.

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


Offline Lois

  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 11,159
    • Woos/Boos: +768/-57
Reply #297 on: July 07, 2016, 11:28:40 PM
I disagree.  Electing a narcissistic bully is a recipe for disaster.  He has praised both the Korean dictator and Saddam Hussein for how they keep/kept order.  That is some scary shit!



Offline Lois

  • Super Freak
  • Burnt at the stake
  • ******
    • Posts: 11,159
    • Woos/Boos: +768/-57
Reply #298 on: July 12, 2016, 03:01:41 AM
Understanding Hillary: Why the Clinton America sees isn’t the Clinton colleagues know
http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality


I'm not going to copy and paste this article; it's long, with a lot of pictures, and is probably better suited and easier read in place. But I recommend the article. It's quite thought provoking.

And one of the conclusions I inevitably reach after reading it is that maybe America really ISN'T ready to elect a woman to the top job, and we ourselves won't know it until we reject an eminently well qualified candidate because she doesn't act the same as her male counterparts.



ChirpingGirl

  • Guest
Reply #299 on: July 12, 2016, 04:27:45 PM
I would vote for a woman. If there were a woman worth voting for.

I would vote for a man. If there were a man worth voting for.