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Reply #240 on: June 01, 2016, 10:57:48 PM
 The issue for Hillary and Obama, and the White House, including the 'fall person' who wound up drawing the short straw for the 5 Sunday Shows, is that there was an Election looming, with Campaign in full swing, with Obama running on a highlighted "Osama Is Dead, GM Is Alive" theme, and "Alquida is on the run." theme, and the lack of planning or thinking that left our people in Libya vulnerable on the anniversary of 9/11 was an abysmal failure, not to even mention the gun running going on by the U.S. in Bengazi.

  Hillary's communication with Chelsea is the first 'honest' statement I have read of hers in many years. The spinners were working hard on Statements for domestic and international consumption, multiple Statements by the President and Secretary of State, seemingly redundant, but worthwhile to cover bases it seems, cataloged nicely for consumption and regurgitation by their friendly media.



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Reply #241 on: June 01, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
Not to mention an ambassador who ignores basic security in hostile environment.

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Reply #242 on: June 04, 2016, 09:03:54 PM
Introducing the next president of the USA.  A very smart and capable woman.




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Reply #243 on: June 06, 2016, 02:26:11 AM

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Reply #244 on: June 06, 2016, 02:44:08 AM


SECRET SERVICE AGENT BOOK ROCKS CLINTON CAMPAIGN
Sat Jun 04 2016 18:03:18 ET
**Exclusive**

Posted directly outside President Clinton's Oval Office, Former Secret Service officer Gary Byrne reveals what he observed of Hillary Clinton's character and the culture inside the White House while protecting the First Family.

Coming in 3 weeks his tell-all book: 'CRISIS OF CHARACTER!'

The secret project is causing deep concern inside of Clinton's campaign, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

Specific details of the agent's confessional are being held under tight embargo.

"What I saw in the 1990s sickend me," Byrne explains. "I want you to hear my story."

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Reply #245 on: June 06, 2016, 09:46:49 AM
What sickens me is a secret service agent, sworn to protect and serve, betraying his profession, trust, and duty to write sleaze that cannot be substantiated. 



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Reply #246 on: June 07, 2016, 07:55:38 AM
Whether he can or can't substantiate his accusations is beside the point of whether or not they are true. From a careerist point of view, it would be better for him to keep these dirty secrets to himself. But for a man with a naive sense of honor, his career is secondary to the pleasure of speaking what he knows to be the truth, knowing also that he will suffer for doing so. Another instance of the Chelsea Manning syndrome.



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Reply #247 on: June 07, 2016, 03:59:03 PM


Fun Fact: On Election Day in November, Hillary Clinton will be 69 years old.

If she wins the election, she will be the second oldest person inaugurated U.S. President, second only to Ronald Reagan -- and only a couple of months younger than Reagan was at the time of his inauguration.

To put that into perspective, when inaugurated, she will be 23 years older than her husband and 22 years older than Obama were at the time of their inaugurations.







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Reply #248 on: June 07, 2016, 04:06:04 PM
What sickens me is a secret service agent, sworn to protect and serve, betraying his profession, trust, and duty to write sleaze that cannot be substantiated. 

It's all about the money......Sell enough books, then retire.

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Reply #249 on: June 08, 2016, 02:01:35 AM
Exactly, a person to be trusted all his life. A Secret Service Agent, standing guard outside the President's office, sworn to Protect and Serve, the same Oath the President takes, to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.

Why would anyone NOT believe this man? It is about saving the Republic, speaking truth to power, and protecting the Office of the President, and the Constitution, from enemies domestic... maybe foreign too, have not yet read the book as it's release is in another two weeks, if I recall.

Did hear it was a Blue Vase, not the "Lamp" as I had heard the story prior, which the First Lady threw at our President, injuring him with a black eye, in one of her evident rages. This is not the first Secret Service Agent to write a book about Mrs. Clinton's antics while in the people's White House, leading up to and following the First Clinton Impeachment.

Good on him!

Let us hear more about the FACTS as they are disclosed, than about spin on her behalf.


What sickens me is a secret service agent, sworn to protect and serve, betraying his profession, trust, and duty to write sleaze that cannot be substantiated. 

It's all about the money......Sell enough books, then retire.

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Reply #250 on: June 08, 2016, 05:35:08 AM
@ Joan and other Trump fans:

I have no doubt that Hillary has a temper, but it has usually been directed at Bill. I don't blame her.  I might have punched Bill in the eye too after the Lewinsky fiasco, too.  How does this make her unfit for public office?

This is a "tell all" book about a relationship between two people, which is private and none of our business.  It is clear Gary Byrne does not like the Clintons.  Not everyone likes everyone.  But it is all very subjective.  One person should not sit in judgement for all of us.

Meanwhile, Trump has more than a temper.  He is mean spirited and has worked to cheat vulnerable Americans out of thousands of their hard earned dollars.  You are rooting for the wrong person.
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Reply #251 on: June 08, 2016, 06:55:55 PM
Here is an article that highlights general feelings for women candidates, and Hillary Clinton in particular.  When I co-taught 3rd grade with a male teacher, I spotted some of this, too.  A boy was seen as having leadership qualities, yet when a girl demonstrated the same characteristics she was labeled by the male teacher as being "manipulative" and a "bitch". We are ingrained with sexist attitudes, and we may not even know we are making judgments based on these attitudes.

The following is from: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11879728/hillary-clinton-wins-nomination

If, as in this election, a man who spews hate and vulgarity, with no comprehension of how government works, can become presidentially plausible because he is magnetic while a capable, workaholic woman who knows policy inside and out struggles because she is not magnetic, perhaps we should reevaluate magnetism’s importance. It’s worth asking to what degree charisma, as we have defined it, is a masculine trait. Can a woman appeal to the country in the same way we are used to men doing it?

Though those on both the right and the left moan about "woman cards," it would be impossible, and dishonest, to not recognize gender as a central, defining, complicated, and often invisible force in this election. It is one of the factors that shaped Hillary Clinton, and it is one of the factors that shapes how we respond to her. Whatever your feelings about Clinton herself, this election raises important questions about how we define leadership in this country, how we feel about women who try to claim it, flawed though they may be.

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 Nobody likes it when Hillary Clinton yells. As my colleague Emily Crockett has written, research shows people don't like it when women yell in general:

Even though women are interrupted more often and talk less than men, people still think women talk more. People get annoyed by verbal tics like "vocal fry" and "upspeak" when women use them, but often don't even notice it when men do. The same mental amplification process makes people see an assertive woman as "aggressive," which gets in the way of women's personal and professional advancement. Women are much more likely to be perceived as "abrasive" and get negative performance reviews as a result — which puts them in a double bind when they try to "lean in" and assertively negotiate salaries.

It may not be impossible for a woman to win the presidency the way we are used to men doing it, but it is unlikely. The way a woman is likeliest to win will defy our expectations.

Perhaps that's why we don't appreciate Clinton's strengths as a candidate. She's winning a process that evolved to showcase stereotypically male traits using a stereotypically female strategy.




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Reply #252 on: June 08, 2016, 07:59:37 PM
I don't like "The Donald" at all. In all honesty I don't think there is "anything" he could do to make me like him (including vote for him). As for Hillary, Given just two choices I would absolutely pick her (vote) over Donald, In fact I think almost anybody is better qualified than "The Donald". BUT, If everyone has to point fingers at either one's faults, hands down Hillary is FAR more qualified than The Donald. Now given what I have just said about those two individuals (and thanking that we have more choices than just those two). The person that "I" would trust more than those two is Bernie Sanders (and that who I voted for yesterday in the NJ Polls).


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Reply #253 on: June 09, 2016, 02:47:37 PM
Nobody likes it when Hillary Clinton yells.

Oh my god.   That's the one thing that is just nails on the chalk board to me.   Her behind the podium trying to drive home a point.   Something about her voice especially when yelling.   She doesn't sound natural.   Getting up and speaking naturally would do her wonders.

As for Donald...Let me apologize now.  As I said, in the curse words topic, I don't swear in real life, nor do I in text.  Though I may on occasion to show my emotion or to drive a point home.
As for Donald Trump. He's nothing but a fucking buffoon.  I can't listen to him at all.

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Reply #254 on: June 12, 2016, 07:26:48 PM
MintJulie - I love when you talk dirty.  8)

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Reply #255 on: June 12, 2016, 09:15:43 PM
I find Hillary's yelling awful, too.  But it not something she can do anything about, and using it as a reason not to vote for her is like saying you won't vote for Donald because of the color of his skin.  A smart person will vote in the best interests of the majority of Americans, so we all benefit.
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Reply #256 on: June 30, 2016, 04:27:58 AM
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/06/29/bill-clinton-and-loretta-lynch-totally-didnt-talk-about-you-know-what-during-their-private-convo-suuuure/

"Bill Clinton played golf in Phoenix, AZ" according to AG Loretta Lynch, on a day when it was 112 degrees in the shade in Phoenix, AZ.....   RIGHT....

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Reply #257 on: June 30, 2016, 07:23:35 AM
Really?   :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:

If Hillary was going to be indicted don't you think it would have happened already?



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Reply #258 on: June 30, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Democrats have be successful at slow walking for a long time. There is nothing that says she may not be indicted after the November election, when all facts are known... even this week, additional emails, yet to be disclosed even to the Department of State, are surfacing... along with incriminating cc's from Hillary's staffers that the originals were somehow mixed in with those "yoga" routines that were "tossed".

I have confidence that she will get her just due, as well as all who associate in a criminal manner, via the Clinton Foundation and other schemes will get theirs.

Patience, patience...


Really?   :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:

If Hillary was going to be indicted don't you think it would have happened already?

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Reply #259 on: June 30, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
Guess what? There has been no finding of criminal wrong-doing. Oh my. What a travesty!

How many more millions of dollars are the Republicans going to waste in order to pursue this vendetta?
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