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Offline anvil

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on: April 14, 2015, 03:55:32 PM

Caution, this is an opinion piece.  However, the timeline, data, and results are true. Just accenting the other syllable.

However it does have a familiar ring for the day.

History does have a way of repeating itself.

http://www.freedomlovernation.com/2013/07/the-american-left-and-pol-pot/


The American Left and Pol Pot
This is a true story:
I remember the Pol Pot takeover in Cambodia. I also
remember that, contrary to what you hear and read,
the Leftist Democrats (Socialists) of the time, in
America, were ecstatic that the Communists were
about to take Cambodia. In the media, and in
Congress. In High Schools and on college campuses,
every leftist said that a Khmer Rouge victory would
bring peace and equality to Cambodia. “Give peace a
chance”. Now, we could all see what a true Socialist
government could do.
Well, that is exactly what we saw !!!
2.2 Million murdered.
Norodom Sihanouk ruled over Cambodia from 9
November 1953, until 18 March 1970. General Lon
Nol and the National Assembly deposed him, in a
coup, and Lon Nol, took control of Cambodia.
It was at this point that Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge,
assisted by China and North Vietnam, initiated a
guerrilla civil war, in Cambodia, that would last for five
years.
In November 1970, President Nixon asked the U.S.
Congress to provide the Cambodian government of
Lon Nol with $155 million in aid, of which $85 million
would be earmarked for military assistance to help
prevent the Khmer Rouge from taking power.
The American leftists, however, were adamantly
against this proposal. As always, with these people,
the Communists and Socialists were the peaceful
ones. America? Well, we were the aggressive ,
untrustworthy killers.
Most American leftists openly supported a
Communist takeover in Southeast Asia ,
like actress Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda and her husband
Tom Hayden, publicly and unapologetically were
outright enemies of America and fanatically supported
the Communists.
Here’s an Example:
On November 21, 1970, Fonda told a large University
of Michigan audience, “If you understood what
Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on
your knees that we would some day become
Communist.” At Duke University, she stated, “I, a
Socialist, think that we should strive toward a Socialist
society, all the way to Communism.” (don’t listen to
the modern day nonsense that Socialism has nothing
to do with Communism. All Communists say they’re
Socialists!)
Fonda’s husband, Tom Hayden, in the early 1970s
organized an “Indo-China Peace Campaign” (IPC) and
lobbied Congress to cut off American aid to the
regimes in Cambodia and South Vietnam.
Assisted by Democrats in Congress (Want some
Names? Here ya go !):
Ron Dellums, Bella Abzug, Robert Drinan, Elizabeth
Holtzman, Pat Schroeder, and David Bonior.
The IPC worked tirelessly to help the North
Vietnamese Communists and the Khmer Rouge win
the war. Hayden and Fonda even took a camera crew
to Hanoi, to help persuade viewers that the peaceful
Socialists were going to create the ideal new society
based on justice and equality, if the war hungry
Americans would just get out! (Americas fault, sound
familiar?)
Hoping that an agreement would help bring peace to
both South Vietnam and Cambodia plus help quell the
anti-war uproar caused by the leftists and Democrats
in America, Nixon, signed a truce in 1973 and
withdrew all American forces.
North Vietnam had no intention of observing that
truce;
neither did Pol Pot.
After “Watergate”, the midterm elections, resulted in
huge Republicans losses. Now, with a new sense of
power, Democrats were poised and ready give
Cambodia and Vietnam to the Socialists/Communists
and get rid of the “Arrogant” power hungry Americans.
Our new President, Gerald Ford, warned of “horror and
tragedy” if Cambodia was abandoned to the Khmer
Rouge. He pleaded with Congress to supply Lon Nol’s
army with the equipment it needed to defend itself.
But, Representative Christopher Dodd of Connecticut
said:
“The greatest gift our country can give to the
Cambodian people is peace, not guns. And the best
way to accomplish that goal is by ending military aid
now.”
The first act of the new Democrat Congress was to
cut off the funding in January 1975. Republicans
again warned that a Pol Pot victory in Cambodia
would inevitably result in a “bloodbath”! But anti-war
Democrats like John Kerry and Anthony Lake accused
them of trying to stir up “anti-Communist hysteria.”
Senator George McGovern said:
“….the kind of government which would succeed Lon
Nol’s forces would most likely be a government . . .
run by some of the best-educated, most able
intellectuals in Cambodia.”
(How utterly stupid are these people ?!?!)
(Maybe they just don’t care !!)
The New York Times, the celebrated Sydney
Schanberg, didn’t believe predictions of mass
executions by the Khmer Rouge and said:
“it is difficult to imagine how their lives could be
anything but better with the Americans gone..”
( There it is again, Americas fault, sounds just like the
leftist Democrats today !!)
On the op-ed page, Anthony Lewis was calling “the
whole bloodbath debate unreal.”
It was all a made up, right wing lie !
The American leftists (Socialists) viewed Pol Pot as a
liberator of the Cambodian people. He promised non-
violence and equality for all.
Peace at last !
Lovely, peaceful, utopian Socialism was coming.
“Imagine all the people, living life in peace”
The Socialist left succeeded.
The Democrats had won and were about to:
“get their man” in Cambodia.
The Cambodian people were about to pay the price
for this disregard of history.
In March 1975 ,Anthony Lake called for:
“an immediate, peaceful turning over of power” to the
Khmer Rouge.
He also said, that the Khmer Rouge was not a
totalitarian force, but just a coalition of: “many Khmer
nationalists, Communist and non-Communist,” whose
only ambition was to liberate and free the Cambodian
people.”
(Kinda sounds like what they said about the “Arab
Spring”)
(What do the Socialist Democrats think of Anthony
Lake ? Well, President Jimmy Carter appointed him to
be the State Department’s Policy Planning Director,
and years later, President Bill Clinton named him to be
his National Security Advisor. And John Kerry ? He’s
our Secretary of State !!)
I can’t make this up!
The U.S. funding was cut!
South Vietnam and Cambodia were quickly overrun by
the Communists. The South Vietnamese capital of
Saigon surrendered on April 30, 1975 and was
immediately renamed Ho Chi Minh City. The
Communists proceeded to execute tens of thousands
of Vietnamese while more than a million fled the
country.
(More on that at a later time)
Lon Nol’s government in Cambodia fell and on April
17, 1975,
The Khmer Rouge forces took control of Phnom Penh.
Under the banner of “peaceful” Socialism and
Communism .
Again! Pol Pot designated the year 1975 as year
“Zero,”
Hell on earth had arrived in Cambodia. Supported and
aided by the leftists Socialist Democrats here in the
United States.
It makes me sick to my stomach to realize that these
people , with the same arguments, are being
supported by millions today here in The United States.
Spewing the same garbage that has been spewed in
the past and has cost tens of millions of lives. A
bunch of Socialists abound throughout our nation, in
all parts of out education system. They are in our
congress and in the White House
Telling their lies and distorting history.
The “peaceful Socialist left” in America with their
amazing record of accomplishment are now trying to
convince us that it would be different this time.
That “spreading the wealth around” is equality.
That taxing the “evil” business owner is fairness.
They want to create an “ideal new society based on
justice and equality.”
Here we go again !
“Know the History”


Deus subrisum stultusi et ferrari


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Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 04:11:57 PM

...the timeline, data, and results are true...


Whenever I read words like that, all kinds of alarm bells start going off.

This is a classic example of Interweb Illogic 101: Take a defined set of examples, from that proceed to a generalization, from that proceed to a judgement, and from that proceed to a condemnation.

Thus, he cites a tiny (and famous) group of "leftists," proceeds to the generalization "every leftist..." (really? every single one?), posits a conspiracy among everyone to the left of center, and blanketedly condemns them the atrocities of the Pol Pot regime. 

And then...



It does have a familiar ring for the day.


In what way?





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Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 04:30:45 PM
Yep, and all right-wing conservatives once backed the Islamist insurgency in Afghanistan, and that got us the Taliban and 9-11.

So if the theory in the OP holds true, then all right-wingers backed the Taliban and the 9-11 attackers.

Hind-sight is 20-20. 

And, for the record.  Most American leftists and radicals did not even concern themselves with the politics in southeast Asia.  They just wanted the draft to end and the troops to come home.



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Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
Lol, just couldn't resist.

please reread the name of this topic.

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Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
Too many Pots.

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Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 09:32:00 PM
Yup,,

2015 appears to be an auspicious year,,,  8)

perhaps their is a message, um, method, to my madness.

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Reply #6 on: April 15, 2015, 12:30:59 AM
So, "How Do You" justify 2.2 million deaths in Cambodia  under a "peaceful" socialist regime?..I'm not saying 2015 is like that, but will history repeat it self in some way?
ISIS comes to mind if they get control of Iraq.

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Reply #7 on: April 15, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
there is no justification, ever.

when you politicize it, whatever your politics, you dehumanize it, desensitize it, obscure the point, and that's the real tragedy.

there is Never justification,,, ever.

alas, history does repeat itself and this dispicable act has been repeated from east to west, north to south many times since this regeme came to power.
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Reply #8 on: May 03, 2015, 07:53:34 AM
pol pot killed more people than were killed in nam during OUR war