White students barred from meeting because they were not ‘racialized’

[phtlc]

White students barred from meeting at Ryerson University because they were not ‘racialized’


http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/16/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised/


And the "equity, fairness, diversity and all things lovey dovey" crowd shows themselves to be stupid cunts......again.

[brody]

White students barred from meeting at Ryerson University because they were not ‘racialized’


http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/16/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised


And the "equity, fairness, diversity and all things lovey dovey" crowd shows themselves to be stupid cunts......again.

Reposting with the working url

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/16/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised

Regardless of your political bent, it should bother you if one group or another is being shut down.  Yeah, it's not you this time.....

Thanks for posting, phtlc.

[Katiebee]

This section of the site is so fascinating.

I never realized what a train wreck Canada was. It's in Slow motion, 3D, and Technicolor!

[phtlc]

White students barred from meeting at Ryerson University because they were not ‘racialized’


http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/16/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised


And the "equity, fairness, diversity and all things lovey dovey" crowd shows themselves to be stupid cunts......again.

Reposting with the working url

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/16/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised

Regardless of your political bent, it should bother you if one group or another is being shut down.  Yeah, it's not you this time.....

Thanks for posting, phtlc.

Just fixed it, but thanks for pointing it out. Anyway yes, this kind of garbage is epidemic up here.

[phtlc]

This section of the site is so fascinating.

I never realized what a train wreck Canada was. It's in Slow motion, 3D, and Technicolor!

If Canada does start smartening up soon, you guys might have failed states on two borders. That's going to be one long fucking fence to keep us from being illegals there.

[phtlc]

Louis C.K.:  Here’s how great it is to be white. I could get in a time machine and go to any time and it would be fucking awesome when I get there. That is exclusively a white privilege. Black people can’t fuck with time machines. A black guy and a time machine is like: “Hey, I think before 1980, no thank you, I don’t wanna go.” But I can go to anytime. The year 2, I don’t even know what was happening then, but I know when I get there: “Welcome, we have a table right here for you, sir.” Oh, thank you. Oh, it’s lovely here in the year 2. I can go to any time. In the past. I don’t wanna go in the future and find out what happens to white people because we’re gonna pay hard for this shit, you gotta know that. We’re not gonna just fall from number 1 to two. They are gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now – WEEEE! Now if you – if your white and you don’t admit that it’s great, you’re an asshole. It is great. And I’m a man. How many advantages could one person have. I’m a white man. You – you can’t even hurt my feelings. What can you really call a white man that really digs deep: “Hey Cracker.” “Oh ruined my day.” Boy, shouldn’t called me a cracker, bringing me back, owning land and people, what a drag.

I'm sure the two students will find it a great consolation to know that if time travel existed they would have exclusive benefits. That said in the absence of a flux capacitor, these students were born in a world of affirmative action and people telling them what assholes they are and how they deserve it just because their skin colour makes them guilty of their ancestors crimes. Anyway, now I have two reasons to wish for time travel to be invented.

They are gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it.

We do? I'm curious what I have ever done to any human being of any race to deserve that. I've sure met a lot of minorities who have lived pretty good lives here yet who feel I deserve it for what I did to them before they or I were even born.

So if we (white people) can collectively be held accountable for the crimes of other white people, may I say that muslims "totally deserve it" if people collectively punish them for al Qaeda or ISIS?

Anyone who says white people "deserve it" is part of the very problem they pretend they are trying to resolve.

[joan1984]

  Excellent points, phtlc.
 
  Karma only allows one woo per 24 hours, sadly.

  Keep on keepin' on.

[Athos_131]

Louis C.K.:  Here’s how great it is to be white. I could get in a time machine and go to any time and it would be fucking awesome when I get there. That is exclusively a white privilege. Black people can’t fuck with time machines. A black guy and a time machine is like: “Hey, I think before 1980, no thank you, I don’t wanna go.” But I can go to anytime. The year 2, I don’t even know what was happening then, but I know when I get there: “Welcome, we have a table right here for you, sir.” Oh, thank you. Oh, it’s lovely here in the year 2. I can go to any time. In the past. I don’t wanna go in the future and find out what happens to white people because we’re gonna pay hard for this shit, you gotta know that. We’re not gonna just fall from number 1 to two. They are gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now – WEEEE! Now if you – if your white and you don’t admit that it’s great, you’re an asshole. It is great. And I’m a man. How many advantages could one person have. I’m a white man. You – you can’t even hurt my feelings. What can you really call a white man that really digs deep: “Hey Cracker.” “Oh ruined my day.” Boy, shouldn’t called me a cracker, bringing me back, owning land and people, what a drag.

[aaron23062]

Google melungeon.

My kin come from Virginia. *I* look as white as Wonder bread. I'm mixed bloods. When I have to specify ethnicity or race, I ALWAYS check "other" and write-in melungeon. The term was a slur applied by others. I've taken it up as mine.

Have I personally been "racialized" or faced overt discrimination? No. Not really. My family history tells a different story. I like to say we were so persecuted we had to disappear.

Some say Elvis Presley and Abraham Lincoln were also melungeon.

Nothing and no one is "pure" anything... except maybe nonsense. THAT can be pure.

[Elizabeth]

So a group of non-white students advertised a meeting as public rather than exclusive to victims of racism, two white students were turned away and their professor has decided that this is an outrage worthy of news headlines. Oh dear.

I honestly think the way all these non-stories get blown up into a big deal is due to some strange need of some white people to feel like victims. its like they refuse to accept they've won the genetic lottery and need to feel marginalised, if only for a second.

Not entirely true....
It's fodder for the press, It's the ability to turn "nothing" into "something" and call it newsworthy. For America it's the National Enquirer, The Globe, and a few other's.
If you can make a story where there isn't one, then you have done your job, and done it very well (I might add).
Just my take on it.

Love,
Liz

[phtlc]

So a group of non-white students advertised a meeting as public rather than exclusive to victims of racism, two white students were turned away and their professor has decided that this is an outrage worthy of news headlines. Oh dear.

I honestly think the way all these non-stories get blown up into a big deal is due to some strange need of some white people to feel like victims. its like they refuse to accept they've won the genetic lottery and need to feel marginalised, if only for a second.

Imagine what would have happened if two black students were turned away from an all white event on campus.

Anyway, this is part of a larger trend up here, usually perpetuated by those who claim that "diversity is our strength" while spouting endlessly about the importance of racial harmony when acting in the very manner they routinely accuse others of.

[phtlc]

I think most white males have a preoccupation with individualism, which precludes group empathy, responsibility, or guilt.  Thus, if they didn't personally lynch a black man, white people *can't* be racist because, "hey, I'm white and I didn't lynch anybody." It's myopic, it's juvenile, and it's just wrong because non-Hispanic Caucasian males raped the world for 500 years, and just because you think "it's history," a lot of other people don't.  It's not right, it's not wrong, it just is what it is.

That isn't what's happening in this case at all. This case has nothing to do with whether or not it is history. The case here is that these two students were excluded and I can assure you if it had been two black students the response would be enormous, mass protests, front page media and would probably even result in a statement being made by the Prime Ministers office. So all things considered this is a fairly mild response.


Toe, it's not about people wanting to bury the past. It's about people wanting certain communities to understand that they too have a responsibility not to aggravate any divides. It seems that too many people with historical grievances seem to feel that gives them a licence to act without considering the effect of their actions.

I can't speak for Texas, but up here it is a whole different ball game.

[phtlc]

That isn't what's happening in this case at all. This case has nothing to do with whether or not it is history.

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It seems that too many people with historical grievances seem to feel that gives them a licence to act without considering the effect of their actions.

That's recalling called "talking out of both sides of your mouth."

Sorry that two kids at a college you didn't attend are causing you so much butthurt, but really, "get over it" would be my suggestion.

Sorry you can't discuss the matter without taking the low road.

[phtlc]

Imagine what would have happened if two black students were turned away from an all white event on campus.

Haha is that how simply you view this thing? It was an event (not an all-black event either) for victims of racism, who would most commonly have been victimised by white people and two white kids who were not victims of racism and who wanted to write a paper about it were turned away. That is far more complicated than "two white students were turned away from an all black event," as you are implying.

Regardless, they advertised the event as open so they shouldn't have turned away anyone. So strange to hear of college students doing something they shouldn't.

You're probably right though. If the races were inverted, there would most likely be a different bunch of asshats taking to social media to bleat about it.

The simple issue here is that the problem is only going to get worse, and people who wrong others justify it by saying "your ancestors did horrible things to my ancestors so get over it". Wow....and they wonder why we don't get along.

People who act like this, and people who excuse stuff like this by saying "get over it" are doing more to segregate society, but then they know that because despite their rhetoric, they are not trying to better society, but rather in it for themselves.

[phtlc]

So please tell me, how would you make Canadian society "better" in response to this?
 

By keeping this sort of thing in the media. It seems certain people one side of the race divide wants to control the narrative and constantly cry about white people, while suppressing any attention on their own misconduct. Media and truth can be powerful things.

Flog the offenders?
 

When did I say that?

Ban race segregated clubs or meetings?
 

Not a bad idea, but I suppose I would be fine with it if everyone was allowed to do so

Sensitivity training?

No thank you

Or just more hypocritical white bitching about reverse discrimination?

Hey, if certain minorities don't like hearing people whine and cry, the best way to change that is to lead by example

See I've been a white male in the American south my entire life.  My great great grandfather was a slave owner.  I don't see reverse discrimination.  I do see lingering racism, bigotry, and discrimination on a daily basis.  I don't feel guilty about, but let's not kid ourselves.
 

Canada ≠ Texas

If this is the worst thing that's happening in Canada right now, consider yourself lucky.
 

It's not

How many blacks have Canadian police gunned down in the street this year?

I don't know and I don't care. To be frank, every time I try to have an intelligent discussion on race it turns into a "fuck you and your white privilege whitey" rant, so I think from now on it's really not my problem. Just don't expect me to listen or care when they whine. If they want segregation that badly I guess they'll get it.

[phtlc]

The simple issue here is that the problem is only going to get worse, and people who wrong others justify it by saying "your ancestors did horrible things to my ancestors so get over it". Wow....and they wonder why we don't get along.

People who act like this, and people who excuse stuff like this by saying "get over it" are doing more to segregate society, but then they know that because despite their rhetoric, they are not trying to better society, but rather in it for themselves.

Lots of generalities there. What is "the problem"? Who are the "we" that don't get along? I've never personally had issues with people due to race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. and my experience of Canada (both first and second hand) is that it is one of the most harmoniously diverse countries in the world at the moment.

I think the "get over it" attitude can be unhelpful, but that depends on context. Two white students being turned away by other students from an event for victims of racism is hardly a big deal by any reasonable definition. That it made national news says more about the feeling of entitlement of some white people than anything else.

How long did you spend in Canada? Not a challenge, I'm just curious. What city?


I only ask, because while for the most part while we don't seem to have the kinds of racial problems I hear about in the states, we are dealing with almost militant movements by "victim" groups" who are doing more to create discontent than harmony, yet they do so under the guise of racial altruism.

Yes, we generally get along here, but certain people are causing that to change.

[phtlc]

I'd really love to hear your description of what an "intelligent discussion of race" involves, other than everyone merely agreeing with you.  It seems that someone disagreeing with you is immediately labeled be "whining" or "childish," so intelligence is as intelligence does.  And if you think the National Post is going to shame anyone into shutting up about race, think again.

An intelligent discussion means someone explaining why they disagree with me instead of simply resorting to silly theatrics. For some reason when it comes to topics on race you have a hair trigger drama queen button and either resort to rants, name calling, or fall back on the age old and overused "shut up mr white privilege" routine. If you have something to actually say on the topic why don't you say it instead of acting like that?

To be frank, every time I try to have an intelligent discussion on race it turns into a "fuck you and your white privilege whitey" rant, so I think from now on it's really not my problem. Just don't expect me to listen or care when they whine. If they want segregation that badly I guess they'll get it.

America's slave past, and segregationist history, continue to drag this country down, 150 years after the Civil War.  They say the sins of the father are carried on to the third and fourth generations.  Hopefully, at some point, we will collectively be ready to deal with this issue in my country.  In the meantime...

1: As I've already pointed out, Canada is not America


2: I will have to disagree with you on the whole sins of the father. I expect people of all races, genders, religions, orientations or other "victim" classes to treat me the way they would want me to treat them, or they can expect the same in return

3:Excluding people for not being racialized, or saying "shut up whitey" generally does not encourage people to "collectively be ready to deal with this issue"


Again, I guess I shouldn't care. If people want to exclude me from their racial issues that's fine. I'll be happy to not hear about it.

[phtlc]

I was only there for a little over a week, mostly around Toronto with a couple of days in Ottawa.

Ok, well then I might have a slightly better perspective on this issue than you

I know a handful of Irish people who have lived there for a few years, mostly around Toronto. They do not share the same concerns about "almost militant movements by "victim" groups" as you do.

And they specifically told you they don't see militant victim groups as a concern? That topic came up?

How much harmony do you think butthurt over minor events like the subject of this thread creates?

A news article is butthurt?

Look if the "racialized" community are truly secure in the idea that what they did here was right, then they shouldn't mind the matter being addressed publicly.

If as a group they feel that they aren't comfortable with this being made public, then maybe it's time for them to re-evaluate that and ask themselves if it was the right thing to do. I'm not going to support covering up the wrongdoings of "victim" groups, because making them answer for their conduct make them feel unharmonious.

[phtlc]

Ok, well then I might have a slightly better perspective on this issue than you

Not necessarily. Distance offers a different kind of perspective. Regardless, I was under the impression this was a discussion and not a game in which to score points.

I wasn't trying to score points but rather to get you to consider the fact that I might have a little bit more perspective on Canada than someone who has visited here for a week.

A news article is butthurt?

Haha is that intentionally obtuse? The news article, like this thread, exists because of the butthurt.
 

Ignoring the name calling I'll take the high road and address your assertions


1: The article exists because of butthurt? Do you say the same about articles written by black people who are complaining (which happens with some degree of regularity)?


2: My taking the time to post an article is butthurt? Have you seen how many articles on how many topics I have posted?

Look if the "racialized" community are truly secure in the idea that what they did here was right, then they shouldn't mind the matter being addressed publicly.
If as a group they feel that they aren't comfortable with this being made public, then maybe it's time for them to re-evaluate that and ask themselves if it was the right thing to do. I'm not going to support covering up the wrongdoings of "victim" groups, because making them answer for their conduct make them feel unharmonious.

Who has argued that those students being turned away was "right"? In fact, where are you pulling any of that from? What group "aren't comfortable with this being made public"? Who has suggested anything should be covered up?

Well certain people in this thread seem to imply that it was right, and that white people should just accept it. As for suggestions that it should be covered up, you were the one who expressed the sentiment that threads (and presumably articles) like this are anti-harmonious

[phtlc]

I wasn't trying to score points but rather to get you to consider the fact that I might have a little bit more perspective on Canada than someone who has visited here for a week.

There are a huge number of factors that can give a person perspective on an issue, including viewing it too much from a single angle. You could even see a subject from every angle except the single one that is most important. My point is that "perspective" is not so tangible that anyone can claim the high ground.
 

I never really thought of it as high ground so much as having first hand perspective, and I will stand by my assertion that on average living somewhere your whole life usually gives you a better perspective on it than visiting it for a week.

Ignoring the name calling I'll take the high road and address your assertions
1: The article exists because of butthurt? Do you say the same about articles written by black people who are complaining (which happens with some degree of regularity)?
2: My taking the time to post an article is butthurt? Have you seen how many articles on how many topics I have posted?

1. It depends on the subject. Not all articles are created equal.
2. You also took the time to drop a "fucking cunts" in there. In my experience, people don't say that about things they are dispassionate about. And yes, I have seen the many many topics you have posted and have noted the few recurring themes in them.
 

1: Have you ever called out an article written by the black perspective as butthurt? Do you feel that this particular article is butthurt or anti harmonious?


2: I've made a habit of using colourful expletives in most of my threads on stuff I find ridiculous (of which there is plenty in Canada). Why does doing it in this particular instance suddenly equate to butthurt?

Well certain people in this thread seem to imply that it was right, and that white people should just accept it. As for suggestions that it should be covered up, you were the one who expressed the sentiment that threads (and presumably articles) like this are anti-harmonious

Imply to you maybe. It didn't to me. Toe certainly didn't state outright.
How is suggesting that these threads and articles cause friction the same as saying the story should be covered up? That's quite a leap.
[/quote]



Well, we'll have to disagree on our interpretation of Toes meaning.


So can I assume then that you are OK with them posting this story (since you didn't mean they should cover it up)?