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psiberzerker

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Reply #460 on: November 15, 2019, 05:57:13 PM
Did I say that guns don’t hurt any one?

Yes, I quoted you saying just that.  Goldfish.

Okay, people hurt each other with guns.  People also use them to protect themselves.  They still don't make you any safer, just by owning them.  

You want me to quote you saying just that, again, goldfish?  I know your memory isn't what it was, 3 seconds ago.

If you can't hold them properly, you can't shoot them accurately, which is why I prefer one with a shoulder stock to one that fits some guy's hand, that I never met.
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Reply #461 on: November 15, 2019, 05:59:54 PM
Psiberzerker-actually I didn’t until my last message which was in reply to you saying I said that. No before my last I didn’t say that. They don’t hurt people. People use tools to hurt people or in your case you think words like sweetie and sweetheart hurt people too.
Never been call goldfish before hahaha



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Reply #462 on: November 15, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
People use tools to hurt people or in your case you think words like sweetie and sweetheart hurt people too.

You can keep trying to guess what I think.  You're bound to hit on it at random eventually.  I'm interested to see if you crank out a Shakespearean sonnet first...



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Reply #463 on: November 15, 2019, 06:04:18 PM
Psiberzerker-your truly are an idiot!! Again if I wanted to use a Glock instead of my sig for a defense weapon then I would. I can shoot a Glock fine but I prefer my sig for my primary weapon. There are other reasons I prefer a sig but I see you are trying to argue what even my 9 year old knows so please keep it coming. I actually enjoy seeing you all worked up and thinking you’re the shit.



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Reply #464 on: November 15, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Psiberzerker-hahaha that’s your argument...really dipshit. Okay let’s see if I crack out a Shakespeare sonnet. Say what you got to say, none of that hiding behind shit like your beloved antifa do.



psiberzerker

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Reply #465 on: November 15, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
Say what you got to say, none of that hiding behind shit like your beloved antifa do.

I don't need your permission to speak my mind.  It's still not going to match up with your fantasy version of me.

(The one that doesn't know anything about guns, in response to an exemption from the NFA.  Brilliant!)



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Reply #466 on: November 15, 2019, 06:09:35 PM

Okay let’s see if I crack out a Shakespeare sonnet.


Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth’s unknown, although his height be taken
Love’s not Time’s fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle’s compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.






"Sometimes the best things in life are a hot girl and a cold beer."



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Reply #467 on: November 15, 2019, 06:11:26 PM



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Reply #468 on: November 15, 2019, 06:13:45 PM
Psiberzerker-like most of your messages. I didn’t read the exemption you typed. Many of the laws I look up because you fucking idiots think we need so damn many. Knowing laws and firearms can be seen as the same thing but there are laws that apply to some and not others because of choice in firearms. You’re a dipshit and I saw what you were trying to do but it still didn’t work. Hahaha keep on trying sallyboy.



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Reply #469 on: November 15, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
Psiberzerker-hahaha there my be a reason I use lefty and not leftie when referring to you ;)



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Reply #470 on: November 15, 2019, 06:16:38 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

I prefer "Nancy Boy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBxuq_eWW94

That's right, you ignoring the part where I'm actually talking about Gun Laws doesn't have any affect on me actually talking about Gun Laws.



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Reply #471 on: November 15, 2019, 06:18:47 PM

Another leftie:




(As you may have noticed, I'm in a REALLY weird mood today...)






"Sometimes the best things in life are a hot girl and a cold beer."



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Reply #472 on: November 15, 2019, 06:20:51 PM
(As you may have noticed, I'm in a REALLY weird mood today...)

Yeah, but I love it!

 :emot_kiss:



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Reply #473 on: November 15, 2019, 06:22:01 PM
Psiberzerker-so talk about how a you have an issue about SBR laws. The conversation we have been having is how you think that more guns are not helping. So far your case is weak at best. We can change it to laws. I will take longer to respond because there are some that I just don’t care about because they don’t really change my firearm choices. On that I would say tho that there are few of any restrictions I am for for legal law abiding citizens. Common sense should play a bigger role.



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Reply #474 on: November 15, 2019, 06:24:51 PM
And now that missbarbra has added that picture i will be taking even longer to comment



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Reply #475 on: November 15, 2019, 06:31:48 PM
So, talk about how a you have an issue about SBR laws.

Okay, I will:

The point of the NFA was public safety, with gangsters, and highwaymen buying Thompsons, and BARs to rampage, and commit crimes, including against civilians, and LEOs.  The "SBR" classification has nothing to do with public safety, John Dillinger sawed off the stock of his BAR to make it more concealable., and rigged up a "Whippet Sling."  That's pretty much it.

The holster stock on a pistol, as were common throughout the world war, and interwar period, made them more stable, and able to fire accurately.  Not more concealable, nor more enticing to Criminals seeking to protect their drug dealing, and cross-country robbery sprees.  I have yet to see a single violent crime committed with a stocked pistol, ever.  So, it goes against the original intent of the National Firearms Act.

Attaching a shoulder stock to a pistol does not make it a "Short Barreled Rifle."  In any way shape, or form, it's absurd on it's face, and killed the market for stocked pistols.  They shouldn't be subject to the same tax stamp as supressors, machineguns, and grenade launchers.



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Reply #476 on: November 15, 2019, 06:45:41 PM
Psiberzerker-okay. So you knowing that I would not argue but rather would agree was to what make a point that you are speaking out of the one side that is in support for such things. I’ve seen that side before. What else you got?



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Reply #477 on: November 15, 2019, 06:55:39 PM
So you knowing that I would not argue but rather would agree was to what make a point that you are speaking out of the one side that is in support for such things.

Honestly, IDGAFF what you think.  It's obviously that I'm something else.  The "SBR" classification of stocked pistols happens to be an old pet peeve of mine.  

I hate the government, both aisles of it.  Libs, and Republicraps.  Same shit, different mascot.

What else you got?

I also like the High Power, because it's supported by the industry with aftermarket parts, and gunsmiths that know how to work on it.  (Accuratize, polish, and tune the trigger group...)  So, even though it's an old action, the gun is legally the Receiver (In this case the frame.)  So, I could gut them, and replace the inner parts without the serial numbers on the stock, and gun changing, which would void it's exemption from the NFA, and require me to pay for that damned tax stamp.

The grips also fit my hand better than anything besides the Makarov, which is in 9mm Makarov, and surplus ammo tends to be Crazy Ivan's lacquered steel cased corrosive gunk.  Might as well be black powder.  I can buy Parabellum ball by the 5 gallon bucket, and it runs, in my high capacity (14+1) autos.
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Reply #478 on: November 15, 2019, 07:22:42 PM
Psiberzerker- okay glad you could get that out of your system in regards to SBRs.

Your firearm choice is yours. People still love the 1911 also. Nothing wrong with that. Sigs p320 fcu is the serialized component so there is a modularity to it also...frame, grip size, caliber, etc. I haven’t been a fan of striker fired plastic pistols but I have been slowly changing on that. Weight does probably play a role in that. Caliber I am not so concerned about because let’s face it a gut shot animal is still a gut shot animal, doesn’t matter what caliber it is. Accurate shot placement is key.



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Reply #479 on: November 15, 2019, 07:36:26 PM
Caliber I am not so concerned about because let’s face it a gut shot animal is still a gut shot animal, doesn’t matter what caliber it is. Accurate shot placement is key.

Well, a few things on Caliber:  Capacity is an issue, and .45 just doesn't have it.  IDK if you ever wrapped your mitts around a double stacked .45, but you better have big ones.  Shot Placement depends on hand weld.  With a shoulder stock, you can add cheek weld, and shoulder weld.  That's one of the primary reasons why I favor the (Chinese contract) High Power, I have 2 more points of contact to hold the sites steady, and hit what I'm aiming at.  

I Double Tap.  1911 fans point out the 1 shot stop statistics  from the FBI's own "Stopping Power" study, but that's assuming 1 shot.  I'm not assuming 1 shot, and 9mm is right around the butter zone, where you can double-tap accurately, and still have decent terminal ballistics (Penetration, Expansion...)  Which is probably why it's a military standard for just about everyone, including the yanks, and not the .45.  It's not twice as effective as the 9mm Luger.  So, for my money, I'd rather have 15 shots of that than 8 shots of .45.

10mm/40S&W is actually a more refined (By Jeff Cooper) modern round, with regards to packing the most efficient firepower into a grip magazine.  That's literally what it was designed for.  However, I can't buy either of those by the 5 gallon bucket, to shoot 500 at a time, as quickly as I can load them in the pez dispensors.  Which goes back to Shot Placement.  The only way to get good Shot Placement is to shoot your guns, enough times to make it second nature.  You don't have to compete, but if all you've ever done is punch paper, and analyze the groups, the nominal MOA of the firearm is meaningless if you're sitting down, just ran 3 blocks, or are jumpy because when you put on your holster that morning, you weren't actually expecting gunshots to erupt behind you.

This is why I stress that it's not an Amulet of Protection.  The inverse to the "Guns don't hurt people" argument is that they don't protect you, either.  You protect you, and your property.  The gun isn't going to do it for you, no matter how accurate it shoots in the Bench Rest.  You have to be capable of accurate shooting under stress.  You're not going to be attacked, on the street, nor in your home by a paper target, at a measured range, with a chance to prepare.  You won't have Hearing Protection unless you thought to include it, with your legal length tacticool black side saddle accuratized shotgun.

It's going to be a stressful situation.  If you can't shoot under stress, you're probably going to die with your guns, anyway.
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