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Reply #840 on: July 05, 2021, 07:13:27 PM
Texas just passed open carry, with no permit, no training, no registration. What could possibly go wrong? The law allows churches and retail establishments to ban guns on their premises, but that puts policing on the shoulders of people that should not be required to do that. The solution to gun violence is never more guns.  We have approximately 22,000 gun suicides, and 500 accidental firearm discharge deaths, each year.  These were all “good guys with guns” who became victims of an item designed, marketed, and sold to do one thing: kill.



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Reply #841 on: July 24, 2021, 10:10:21 AM

Woman shoots masked, armed man near her front door in Woodbridge

Neal Augenstein | naugenstein@wtop.com

July 23, 2021, 5:05 AM

A 44-year-old woman was justified in shooting and killing an armed, masked man as he approached her front door on Thursday, Prince William County Police said.

Police said the woman was leaving her home around midnight in the 4100 block of Hoffman Drive, in Woodbridge, Virginia, when she noticed a masked man, armed with a handgun, approaching her from the side of the house.

As the man neared the front door, the woman — who was also armed — shot the man.

Police found the man lying near the doorway with gunshot wounds and a loaded handgun in his possession. Officers performed CPR until rescue personnel arrived, and drove the man to the hospital, where he died.

He was identified as 20-year-old Azhar Laurent Smart, of Triangle, Virginia.

In a news release, police said the incident does not appear to be random, although they didn’t elaborate.

After speaking with the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office, police said the shooting was ruled to be justified, as the woman was acting in self-defense. No charges will be filed but the investigation continues.
https://wtop.com/prince-william-county/2021/07/woman-shoots-masked-armed-man-near-her-front-door-in-woodbridge/


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Reply #842 on: July 24, 2021, 10:14:18 AM
So, in other words... Texas passed a open carry law, which upholds the exact wording, meaning of the words used in the U.S. Constitution, 2nd Amendment.

Shocking!

How long have you lived in Texas, Toe?


Texas just passed open carry, with no permit, no training, no registration. What could possibly go wrong? The law allows churches and retail establishments to ban guns on their premises, but that puts policing on the shoulders of people that should not be required to do that. The solution to gun violence is never more guns.  We have approximately 22,000 gun suicides, and 500 accidental firearm discharge deaths, each year.  These were all “good guys with guns” who became victims of an item designed, marketed, and sold to do one thing: kill.

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Reply #843 on: July 24, 2021, 02:35:21 PM
I am a fifth generation Texan who has lived here going on 60 years.  So fuck off troll.

STATISTICS ON DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA
DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING PEOPLE OF ALL AGES IN THE U.S.

Every day, 316 people are shot in the United States. Among those:
   •   106 people are shot and killed
   •   210 survive gunshot injuries
   •   95 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
   •   39 are murdered
   •   64 die from gun suicide
   •   10 survive an attempted gun suicide
   •   1 is killed unintentionally
   •   90 are shot unintentionally and survive
   •   1 is killed by legal intervention*
   •   4 are shot by legal intervention and survive
   •   1 died but the intent was unknown
   •   12 are shot and survive but the intent was unknown

DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (1-17)

Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States. Among those:
   •   5 die from gun violence
   •   2 are murdered
   •   17 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
   •   8 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
   •   2 children and teens either die from gun suicide or survive an attempted gun suicide
   •   8 children and teens are unintentionally shot in instances of family fire — a shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home resulting in injury or death

ANNUAL GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING PEOPLE OF ALL AGES IN THE U.S.

Every year, 115,551 people are shot. Among those:
   •   38,826 people die from gun violence
   •   14,062 are murdered
   •   76,725 people survive gunshot injuries
   •   34,566 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
   •   23,437 die from gun suicide
   •   3,554 survive an attempted gun suicide
   •   483 killed unintentionally
   •   521 are killed by legal intervention
   •   1,376 are shot by legal intervention and survive
   •   324 die but the intent was unknown
   •   4,471 are shot and survive but the intent is unknown
   •   547 women are killed by their husband or male dating partner**

ANNUAL GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (AGES 1-17)

Every year, 7,957 children and teens are shot in the United States. Among those:
   •   1,663 children and teens die from gun violence
   •   864 are murdered
   •   6,294 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
   •   2,788 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
   •   662 die from gun suicide
   •   166 survive an attempted gun suicide
   •   10 are killed by legal intervention
   •   101 are shot by legal intervention and survive
   •   89 are killed unintentionally
   •   2,893 are shot unintentionally and survive
   •   38 die but the intent was unknown
   •   380 are and survive shot but the intent is unknown

All statistics from the Brady Foundation.



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Reply #844 on: July 31, 2021, 01:21:47 AM
Texas Home Defended From Criminals Again

An alleged intruder armed with a rifle was shot by a San Antonio, Texas, resident Wednesday night around 11 p.m.

NEWS 4 San Antonio reported the alleged intruder was 17-years-old and also had a handgun in his possession at the time of the incident.

There were four people at home when the alleged intrusion occurred, and one of the four opened fire on the suspect.

The suspect was shot and fled the scene, driving himself to the Children’s Hospital to have his wound treated. Fox News notes the injury left the suspect in critical condition.

KSAT points out that a second intrusion suspect fled the scene as well. It is not known whether the second suspect was injured in the exchange of gunfire.

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Reply #845 on: July 31, 2021, 02:36:27 AM
Unfortunately, I think a lot of nuance is missed in any major political debate these days be it abortions, guns, or COVID.  Here is where I stand on the gun control/safety debate.

Just for reference, the literal text of the second amendment is:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

I am not a constitutional scholar and am pre-supposing certain intent on our forbearers.  I also want to distinguish between constitutional intent and interpreting that/best fitting it to today's world.  Unfortunately, just like interpretations on the Bible, many people can interpret things and use context clues to read them in different lights.

My Interpretation Of Constitutional Intent
To me, it seems that the founding fathers intended the right to bear arms to refer to the ability for the country and individuals to defend themselves.  You'll notice that the first two parts of the amendment specifically refer to the security of a free state and militias.  That implies defense of country, land, rights, and other such things.  The second part can be interpreted either as being an extension of the first, meaning that within the context of the defense of country the peoples' rights to bear arms shouldn't be infringed, or the comma after the word State can be interpreted more as a semi-colon thus isolating the imperative to the right to bear arms apart from the militia.

Let's also consider the context at the time of the Constitution's framing.  The British ruled over the colonies and would not want the citizens to have the free right to bear arms to go after freedom.  Like most colonization endeavors, the oppressors would prefer to keep the people in line.  The founding fathers did not want to found a country that couldn't stand up against a tyrannical or corrupt government.

Apart from that, yes, people needed guns for hunting and getting food.  Guns were also a way of defending one's honor, in terms of having duels and such.  (I think)

So, to me the overall Constitutional intent here is that people should have access to bear arms not simply for self-defense against intruders but more as a right so that a large group could defend against a corrupt governing body and/or to protect the country itself from enemies, foreign or domestic.

What It Means For Today

First, the founding fathers would NOT have imagined America being the world's largest producer for weapons of war.  They would not have anticipated the NRA and gun lobbies nor would they have conceived of weapons capable of firing enough rounds in a minute to make a person look like hamburger meat.

Second, we DO have a military.  The military forces protect our country from foreign adversaries.  They have the skill and strength to do so.  However, they are also in the hands of a potentially and at times provenly corrupt government.  Would the military do the "right thing" if the government turned against its own people?  I can't say.

Third, we do live in a society that, I hate to say, glamorizes violence.  We also live in one of the most mentally challenging times.  People don't know how to meet half-way on issues.  People can't connect on a human level.  People who have deep mental disorders don't get the help that they need.  People that have been slowly abused over long periods of time get ignored, then snap.  If every person in the country had a gun it would be a VERY dangerous thing.

So, where does that put me on gun ownership overall?

1. I believe that a person of adult age has the right to purchase and own a firearm.
2. I believe that every potential gun owner must have a requirement to undergo a thorough gun safety, maintenance, and shooting practice class.
    Note: This class should also cover real-life situations and examples, akin in some ways to police or security training or in regard to hunting, with some level of simulated hunting with other people.
3. Gun owners should be required to re-take, re-train, and re-certify on their weapons every 3-5 years.
4. Potential gun owners should undergo a background check that accounts for both criminal history and mental wellbeing.  Any loophole to this needs to be closed.  The person cannot obtain a weapon until they pass the background check, no exceptions.
     If there is an occasion where a person's mental wellbeing has clearly waned, there should be some kind of safety mechanism in place around that.  No, I don't know what it should look like but if someone has tried to commit suicide recently, they probably shouldn't have easy access to a firearm.
5. I don't know where I stand on fully automatic weapons or expanded magazines.  I do not know the number of everyday people who use these for a practical purpose.  I know they are featured in mass shootings, but I don't know if that alone is a reason to get rid of them fully.  We need to look at what, if any, practical use is prior to jumping to conclusions, as the media often does.  "Clearly there is not a use for large capacity magazines or automatic weapons except to murder people" is a common line, but I don't know if that is actual fact.

To me, large capacity magazines and fully-automatic weapons do not seem practical, and if there is truly no just cause for them, perhaps they should be banned or only offered for specific purposes.  Now again, one could argue that because the military has automatic assault weapons and are beholden to a potentially corrupt government, we would be at a disadvantage if we had to defend ourselves.  To that I say the following, the Viet Kong were grossly out-gunned in EVERY possible way and yet they kicked our asses.  Human ingenuity can win over human technology, especially when one is fighting for their right to live.

6. If a person ever becomes a threat to themselves or others around them, there needs to be a mechanism to quickly evaluate their access to weapons.

Again, I have no idea how to implement a lot of these things.  I'm also not here to fully defend a point-by-point refutation of my opinions.  They are just that, opinions and opinions of someone who hasn't studied everything on the pro and cons of the discussion.

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Reply #846 on: July 31, 2021, 03:54:26 AM
I believe in the right of a citizen to own a gun. With that said, I also believe in the responsible ownership of guns. I have a very heavy vault where I store my weapons. Once, when my place was burgled, the thieves were unable to get into the vault and they were unable to move it. Once, when I was a cop (because it was a small town) I went to a house to do a "vacation check." I found the back door unlocked. I also found a gun in EVERY room of the house, including the bathrooms. Sixteen unsecured weapons laying out all over the place. Irresponsible. If I could have, I would have cited them. I did leave a note for them to call dispatch and the dispatcher read them the riot act for being so irresponsible. Want to know where inner city thugs get their guns? It's from burglaries of houses like the one I just described.

Being a Constitutional scholar, the 2nd amendment was meant so that a citizen army could quickly form and handle any threat that appeared. It wasn't until the civil war that there began to be a gulf between weapons owned by citizens and weapons owned by the government. And it took the rise of organized crime in the 1920's for the government to start placing restrictions on the weapons citizens could own.

The thing that gets me, and I don't know how so called "journalists" could be so stupid, but for some reason they think that the 2nd amendment is about hunting. Of course, these are people that came from money in the first place and presently live in gated communities, protected by well paid guards supplemented by off duty police. They don't begin to understand what it is like to have that adrenaline racing through your veins as some misguided idiot is trying to get in your front door. I have had to defend my home with a gun-twice. The first time it was a drunk neighbor who couldn't tell his house from ours and it wasn't until I zinged a shot off the top of one of his earlobes that he decided to listen to reason and go to the right house. The second one was a Mexican (I'm not being pejorative, he was from Mexico), but he had a regular habit of taking what he wanted, when he wanted. When he heard me rack a 12 gauge shotgun next to the front door, he ran for his life.

Having been a cop, I believe that way too many people walk around in "condition green". They walk around, completely oblivious to any threats around them and this is why I'm not for everyone carrying a gun. It is said that you shouldn't draw or point a weapon unless you're ready to take life-too many people aren't ready for that. In the Marine Corps I encountered many a Marine that talked a good game, but where were they when the bullets started flying for real? Behind a log, trembling, calling out for mama and wetting their pants. I was too angry to be scared and it wasn't until later, much later, away from the danger that I would just hold my girlfriend and ask her not to let go while I decompressed. 



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Reply #847 on: July 31, 2021, 07:04:01 PM

Being a Constitutional scholar, the 2nd amendment was meant so that a citizen army could quickly form and handle any threat that appeared. It wasn't until the civil war that there began to be a gulf between weapons owned by citizens and weapons owned by the government. And it took the rise of organized crime in the 1920's for the government to start placing restrictions on the weapons citizens could own.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but the background to the 2nd Amendment was more complex than that.

First off, not a single one of the authors of the Constitution would have considered for a second gun control laws. Virtually everyone owned guns and used guns, whether for hunting, sport, personal protection, or to have on hand in the event they are called to militia service.

Second, the opening clause of the amendment -- "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." -- contextualizes both the text and the intent of the 2nd Amendment. In 1787, when James Madison wrote the text, the U.S. did not have a traditional standing army, nor had it ever. In fact, the very notion of a professional standing arm was considered anathema by large swaths of people on both sides of the aisle. We "won" the Revolutionary War due to the combined efforts of slate and local militia members, who needed, as you note, to have their guns ready and on hand if called up to serve.

Third, and perhaps most important, the Founders could not, of course, have anticipated the impossible technological advancements in firearms and other types of weapons. However, while this is a simple fact, it does not affect the modern-day validity of the 2nd Amendment. The point that many people who participate in the "2nd Amendment debate" fail to grasp is a fundamental point on how our country and our federal government works under the Constitution. The Constitution isn't a static document, written in stone and applicable only precisely as written. It is open to interpretation by and application by the U.S. Supreme Court and laws passed by Congress.

Congress has passed a series of "gun control" laws over the past century that specify and "update" the 2nd Amendment provisions, and the Supreme Court  "modernizes" the text of the 230-year-old Constitution via decisions based on specific cases brought before it. And on this particular issue, it has done so at several points in U.S. history.

Meanwhile, you're spot on: The first piece of major gun control legislation was the National Firearms Act that Congress passed, by overwhelming margins,
in 1934. That bill had two main inspirations: The rise of organized crime, chiefly in reaction to Prohibition Laws (the text of the bill specifically cited the St. Valentine's Day Massacre), and the March 1933 assassination attempt on President Roosevelt.





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Reply #848 on: August 15, 2021, 01:26:42 AM

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Reply #849 on: August 15, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
Toddler shoots, kills mom during video call after finding gun, Florida police say

The 21-year-old woman was shot in the head during a Zoom call, and Altamonte Springs police believe a toddler found an unsecured gun.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/toddler-shoots-kills-mom-during-video-call-after-finding-gun-n1276722



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Reply #850 on: December 29, 2021, 05:28:19 PM
So a crazy man with a bike lock is hitting customers at a coat store in Los Angeles. Police arrive, draw guns, and fire off at least three shots at the guy with the bike lock, and kill a fourteen-year-old girl hiding for her safety in a changing booth. Murica.

At least they killed the guy with the bike lock also.

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