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Reply #680 on: December 20, 2019, 02:08:16 AM
Good he was able to eliminate the threat. To bad he was shot. It’s amazing how some people believe seemingly forgetting that in situations like this one and pretty much all good guy/gals with gun don’t gain a thing from protecting themselves. The only thing that you get is to keep you life and loved ones hopefully. The bad guys/gals with guns are the ones that get something out of it if they are able to accomplish what they set out to do. Psi seemed to forget or just completely not acknowledge that and same with Toeinh20 and others. Thank you Joan for your wisdom and acknowledging these good guys/gals with guns.
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Reply #681 on: December 21, 2019, 11:28:34 PM
The problem with the concept of a good guy with a gun is that it's no guarantee of safety.  You can still get shot and killed by surprise.  If the robbers know folks are likely to be armed, they are more likely to shoot first before they can get shot in turn.

Also, as I've pointed out before, homes are safer without guns in them, than with them.  Sure you might feel safer if you are armed, but perception is not reality as numerous statistics show.



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Reply #682 on: December 22, 2019, 01:41:38 AM
Family trying to understand how gun used in boys death was left unsecured
 
Jeffery Taylor's great uncle tells us several adults in the family are licensed and have been trained on gun safety. He said he can't imagine why the weapon was not locked up.

Good guys with guns.



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Reply #683 on: December 22, 2019, 01:48:25 AM
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Reply #684 on: December 22, 2019, 07:20:06 AM
Family trying to understand how gun used in boys death was left unsecured
 
Jeffery Taylor's great uncle tells us several adults in the family are licensed and have been trained on gun safety. He said he can't imagine why the weapon was not locked up.

Good guys with guns.

Sadly, this is one of the reasons guns in the home make your family less safe, not more safe. Gun related accidents and suicides take more lives than are saved by guns in the home.

So if you have a gun secure it, especially if you have kids or kids come over to visit.
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Reply #685 on: December 22, 2019, 09:01:57 AM
  "...So if you have a gun secure it, especially if you have kids or kids come over to visit...."

  Being responsible is a minimum requirement for parents, guardians, and any adult, when it comes to firearms and safety, attended, or unattended.

  Negligence is punishable under existing laws, and enforcement is expected, especially in the case of negligent homicide such as seems to have happened in the stated case.

  Mother, StepDad, and the firearm owner, if not one of those adults, must be held responsible under local law. It is expected for all parents, and for all firearm and other serious equipment owners to follow the instructions as to the securing of said equipment, or other materials.

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Reply #686 on: December 22, 2019, 08:57:54 PM
Lois-your last sentence I completely agree with. As far as the first bit about guns not making the home safe. That’s like saying guns kill people. Psi liked saying guns kill people too. If people are not the ones that kill but guns are then really it isn’t even the gun that kills people, it’s actually the projectile. Hell we can even dive deeper and say it’s the trauma that kills the person and/or the blood loss. The person is what makes things unsafe. That’s why the laws don’t punish the firearms. What makes a house full of firearm, knives, explosives, matches, baseball bats, those damn LEGOs, or anything else unsafe if there is no human there? The people who are negligent (no accidents, accidents are rare in our world) and, as you stated, should’ve lock up or make the weapon safe. It is the responsibility of the gun owner as you and Joan said. What is safe? Safety on (if the weapon has external safety) sitting on top of the fridge...to me, no this is not safe because the control of that firearm is not present. On a persons body is the safest place for all involved. If you are not in control of the firearm at all times then the weapon should be made unusable for everyone...child, thief, ducks, etc. If a kid gets ahold of a firearm it is never an accident but it is always negligence on the firearm owner’s behalf.
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Reply #687 on: December 22, 2019, 11:17:16 PM
Firearms are made to kill.  They are lethal weapons, lego is not.

Now if you and your family are hungry, you may have to kill a deer or boar to eat and survive.  I have no problem with this.  Guns for hunting I have no problem with.

I do have problems with the idea that a gun will make you safe, it only gives the illusion of safety.  I have a small pistol and if I could I would use it to defend myself and my family. But it's no guarantee.  It is not on me at all times and a burglar might attack me before I had a chance to get to it.  I am a sound sleeper.

Nor do not let children in my home, and if I had to I would certainly make sure it was secured.

And the simple fact is that studies show that firearms in a home are more likely to be used to accidentally kill or maim, or used to commit suicide, than to be used to protect your life.

The most likely use I'd have for a firearm is to protect my animals from packs of dogs or coyotes.  I've already had a pack of dogs break into my yard and kill my pets and several flocks of chickens.  Sadly my 357 magnum is not much use against that.  I need a .22 rifle or maybe even a shotgun.



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Reply #688 on: December 23, 2019, 03:21:02 AM
Lois-haha you’ve obviously never stepped on a lego in the middle of the night...hahaha
 I’ve never said they make a person safer even when in argument with Psi. I didn’t say that in any of my post. In fact I would agree but add that they don’t make thing less safe. As I’ve said before, what makes a person safe is what’s between their two ears. A firearm is nothing more than a tool, what makes having a firearm safer than not having one is proficiency. Without training and I mean training for failures, multiple attackers, training under stress, training in low light situations, understanding fatal funnels, understand what a projectile does once it enters the body, understanding how a person on drugs or alcohol can soak up rounds and keep coming, medical aid for shot victims, proper firearm maintenance, at least basic understanding of functions, understanding of local and federal laws, situational awareness and so on and so forth. These things make a person safer as long as they are practiced. Skills and tactics make us safer. Being in a fire fight is not as much fun as many want to think it is tho there is an adrenaline dump that can be quite exciting. In no way have I ever said a firearm itself makes you safer. Some get lucky tho and without training are able to eliminate a threat from the two legged monsters and the four legged ones.
If you are only okay with firearms for hunting then why do you have a .357 mag? Protection right. By the way, that .357 is very effective against dogs and coyotes as long as you practice and know how to use it, and understand there are limitations to a pistol. So I’m not sure why you make it sound like hunting is the only place for firearms. Also if you feel a .22 or shotgun would better fit your needs against coyotes and stray dogs then why not sell your .357 and buy something that better fits your needs? I understand the need part. Maybe a pistol caliber carbine like say a Kel-Tec sub 2000 would fit your needs as well. A pistol caliber carbine would extend the effective range and give you more points of contact. Felt recoil is reduced for an added bonus.
 The fact is, the 2 amendment doesn’t say a thing about hunting. I hunt Elk, deer, bear, cougar, and wolves here in north Idaho and have firearms to meet my needs on my hunts. I also have firearms I collect and that have been handed down. Then I have firearms that are for protection, competition, demonstrations, trainings, and fun. We have been raising 4 children on the meat from the harvested animals. My kids have also be being raised around firearms. I also always have a firearm on me no matter what. I can handle myself well hand to hand or even with a knife or really anything close at hand that can do damage and help to eliminate a threat. Unfortunately not all threats are equal and some require at bare minimum the convenience of a pistol. If a rifle is needed which in my opinion is every time then hopefully my skills and tactics while using the pistol will get me safely to a rifle to finally eliminate the threat or threats. All that being said, I would rather not fight be it hand to hand or with firearms. There is nothing to be gained. You don’t get a trophy or money for protecting yourself and loved ones.

To think that a firearm is going to get you out of every situation is foolish. That doesn’t mean they are not necessary.

As far as the studies show...well that can be argued because many confrontations where a firearm is deployed or used but missed the target are not reported. I’ll leave it at that.

The “gun” or firearm is designed to send a projectile down range. The projectile is designed to do the damage. These are facts!
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Reply #689 on: December 23, 2019, 04:18:04 AM
It's good to know we agree on alot.  A gun is a tool, a dangerous one.  That's why I think we have to be carefull as to who has access to them.

I simply don't undrstand why the NRA is against criminal background checks or other common-sense regulations.

Also this good-guy with guns thing is stupid.  A good guy with a gun might be able to stop a bad guy with a gun once in a while, but it is very rare.  Since these rare occasions are quickly reported by Joan, they happen how often?  Maybe 10 times a year?

From https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).
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Reply #690 on: December 23, 2019, 04:37:21 AM
“A gun is a tool, a dangerous one”

We disagree on the last part. No more dangerous than a hammer. The people are dangerous. Without the person the tool just sits there. Without the thief there is no money missing.
The NRA is for the 2nd amendment, safe use, the fun of the sport and so much more.  They are not for murder or scaring people with firearms and never have been. What they do is important. They are not the monsters many believe them to be.
Everytime I buy a firearm or renew my concealed weapons permits I get a background check. I have been finger printed many times.
We have too many laws already in my opinion. Look at how easy it is to be pulled over, arrested, or lose your firearms. Some laws work and some don’t. Also most of the Democrat candidates have stated they will remove our 2nd amendment rights. They are not okay with that nor is much of the American citizens. If you give and inch what happens when they take the whole thing?
The NRA is all for keeping firearms out of the hands of evil people. How to do it is the difference. It’s damn hard to see what’s in a persons heart.

I disagree with you on the good guy/gal with a gun being stupid. It’s good that Joan has created this topic and it’s good to know people are defending themselves. The stupid part is that people have to defend themselves. Remember that it’s not an easy thing to defend against someone that steps out behind you with a firearm as they are squeezing the trigger. It’s also hard to know exactly where that crash of breaking glass came from as you awake. You are steps behind inside a shit sandwich. Training, skills, and tactics help to close the step gap. Creating a home that doesn’t shout “I’m an easy target” help as well. Not living in a crime ridden area helps too. What one person is capable of doing so is another. It’s good to see people overcome odds.

 Success stories of people beating Cancer are probly far less than death stories but isn’t it nice to hear about the ones that beat the odds?
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Reply #692 on: December 25, 2019, 11:24:34 PM
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Reply #693 on: December 26, 2019, 04:06:10 PM
DOVER, Pa. (WHTM) – A Dover Township homeowner shot and wounded a burglar in his driveway after the intruder ignored a warning shot and twice lunged at the man, police said.

Matthew T. McCleary, 38, of no fixed address, was found lying in the driveway when officers responded to the home in the 1900 block of George Street early Tuesday. He had sustained a single gunshot wound to the thigh, Northern York County Regional Police said.

The 58-year-old homeowner reported that he was awakened by a loud noise and yelling. He said he armed himself with a .357 magnum handgun and went to investigate, encountering McCleary in the driveway.

He retrieved his cell phone and called 911.

The homeowner said McCleary was acting aggressive so he circled away to keep his distance. When McCleary lunged at him, he said he fired one warning shot into the air.

McCleary again lunged at the homeowner who felt threatened and fired a second shot that struck McCleary in the leg. The shots were heard as the call was being dispatched, police said.

Police said McCleary entered the home through the front door and left behind numerous items. The homeowner did not know him and did not given him permission to enter his property.

McCleary was transported to a hospital for treatment of his injuries. He is charged with burglary, criminal trespass, simple assault, and loitering and prowling at nighttime.

The homeowner was not harmed and is not facing charges at this time. Police said it appears he acted within the law.


https://www.abc27.com/news/local/york/homeowner-shot-burglar-who-ignored-warnings-police-say/


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Reply #694 on: December 26, 2019, 04:38:42 PM
What we will never be informed, is the homeowner, had no liscense for the 357 magnum, went thru no gun safety course, and the stolen gun was purchased from an unidentified man at an adult book store.

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Reply #695 on: December 26, 2019, 04:45:01 PM
  A stolen gun from a ABS... good one. I copied, pasted the whole story with a link... since the cops did not charge the homeowner, yet at least, I trust his is a legal firearm...

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Reply #696 on: December 26, 2019, 08:11:13 PM
I wouldn’t have given the guy a warning shot!



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Reply #697 on: December 28, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
https://www.fox26houston.com/video/639331 
Licensed gun owner kills armed robber
 at gas station in north Harris County


An armed robber is dead after a man killed him during an attempted robbery at a gas station near George Bush Intercontinental Airport.



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Reply #699 on: December 29, 2019, 01:44:26 PM
“Thoughts, prayers and healing go out to the Johnson family during this unimaginable time. James will be greatly missed by his friends and teachers at BHS.”

Buna teen dies after accidental shooting Christmas Day

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