Good Guy/Gal With A Gun

[psiberzerker]

"Guns don't hurt people."  Of course they do.  You might as well argue that knives don't cut people.  It's not the knife's FAULT, because it was designed to cut, but we don't see the ax being blamed for the victims of ax murderers.  You see a guy in a hockey mask, in the woods, with an ax, your first thought isn't that he's looking for a Christmas tree.  People get irrational when it comes to guns, for a variety of reasons, in a variety of ways, but most of them stem from over-simplifications.

"Guns aren't the problem."  No, but they're definitely an integral working part of the problem, otherwise spree shooters would be making bombs, or poisoning people.  Bruce Edward Ivins used Anthrax, and oddly enough, nobody argued that the Anthrax never hurt anyone.  He also used the Mail system, and we overhauled that government system, to make it harder for terrorists to use it.  Even though the Perpetrator is to blame for the crimes, nobody believes for a second that Bruce Edward Ivins should continue to have access to Anthrax.  

On September 11, 2001, terrorists used airliners to attack buildings in New York, and Washington.  Nobody argued that the planes didn't hurt anyone, and despite the numerous Conspiracy Theories, nobody stood up, and protested the infringement of our right to fly cross country with packets of honey roasted peanuts when all air traffic was shut down, until the crisis was over.  

However, Islam was blamed, and attacked, for decades.  We're still doing it, in fact now we have spree shooters motivated by Islamophobia, and blaming that for their terror attacks on schools, and places of worship.  In case you're wondering, why I triple posed, and ran on.  

This is sociopolitics, not a bumper sticker.  There's not 1 problem, as simple as guns, our right to bear arms, or the unwritten right for children to go to school without fearing for their lives.  Guns aren't even that simple, I could go on even longer about the slide-stop/disassembly lever/toggle pin on my High Powers, and that's just one part, on 1 gun.  I don't need that part to kill a bunch of children in the school yard, I have a high capacity semi-auto rifle.

That doesn't make me a spree shooter.  If I snapped, I'd be a political bomber, take away wikipedia, or my guns, and I'd still know how to trinitrate toluene, and pack it in hip flasks to make Claymores.  It's not that simple, and these memes like #GunsDon'tHurtPeople only serve to misinform.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-I get what you’re saying here but still disagree. Sure there’s over simplification but there’s also over complicating. The airliners didn’t hurt anyone. The terrorist did. The airliners didn’t act, they were flown. All 4 airliners were piloted. I agree that Islam has been blamed for more than it should. Unfortunately humans react in such ways. People tend to panic if they aren’t trained for situations. Even trained people can lose it. Fear, frustration, anger, anxiety, depression...these are what? These are all possible reactions to stressors. Because of these reactions people can blame things that are not the problem. It’s kinda the way we were made. It’s what’s helped us last this long. Blaming Islam for the terror attacks is not much different than blaming guns for killing people or airliners for killing people. It’s about survival. We are taught to manage these reactions and use stress to our advantage. We don’t want these events to happen again so what can happen if we react just to react...we make mistakes. Blaming Islam for the terrorists that flew the airliners on 9-11 is a mistake. Doesn’t matter if it was a cessna 152 or a space shuttle. So is blaming guns for mass shootings. Also it doesn’t matter if it’s a hi-power or a 5” artillery gun.
You are right that knives are designed to cut.
Firearms are designed to propel a projectile by the action of an explosion.
Without us humans to kill and hurt, these things are just the materials they are made of and nothing more.

[Gunnerman19]

Maybe a better way to describe a firearm that was used in a mass shooting is to say “murderers weapon” instead of “the murder weapon”. Maybe certain people wouldn’t blame the firearms then. Just a thought.

[psiberzerker]

Sure there’s over simplification but there’s also over complicating.

Of course there are, but that's not what I was doing.

Because of these reactions people can blame things that are not the problem.

So, don't blame anyone, nor anything.  Pointing to something, and saying "There's yer problem" is wrong, because it assumes that that 1 thing, or those people are The problem, and we don't have to talk about anything else.  Which is wrong.

It’s kinda the way we were made.  

The human nature assumption.

It’s what’s helped us last this long.

We were not "Made" with guns, nor very effective natural weapons, of any kind.  So, we created weapons, to kill each other, "Better."  So, what.  Blame nature for not giving the weapons to be strong, and dominate Nature?  We might as well blame nature for giving us the intellectual capacity to create weapons, dominate, and eventually destroy nature.  Or, better yet, we can identify the Causes of problems, and look for solutions.

Not having enough guns is not the cause of any problems, in America, because we have more than enough guns for every man, woman, and child to have one.  Not having powerful enough guns isn't a thing, either.  So, we can eliminate that possibility as one of the causes too, then move on to things which actually exist, as possible causes of some of our systemic social, anti-social, and cultural problems.

Gun culture, and violent psychotics are things we do have, and they appear to be destructively violent, when mixed.  So, I submit that keeping the violent psychotics away from the tools they desire, to hurt, and kill people "Better" might work towards some sort of solution, to some of our problems.  You see how the thought process works, when someone who's actually thought about it, logically walks you through it?  It's called Troubleshooting.  Don't look that up.

It’s about survival.

All right, then tell me about the survival of the children, in schools.

Also it doesn’t matter if it’s a hi-power or a 5” artillery gun.

It does make a difference, in destructive power, however.  Incidentally, I worked on the (Hydraulic) recoil buffers for self propelled Howitzers at Fort Sill.  So, what can you tell me about artillery guns?  Because we don't have a 5" one, and we never did.  The British Navy did, however.

[psiberzerker]

Maybe a better way to describe a firearm that was used in a mass shooting is to say “murderers weapon” instead of “the murder weapon”. Maybe certain people wouldn’t blame the firearms then. Just a thought.

Some would call that "Political Correctness."  It's a fucking murder weapon.  As soon as it's used to commit murder?  It's the murder weapon.  You could call it an Attack Helicopter, but it won't make it one.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-haha of course it PC.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-hmmmm...we never had a 5” gun...okay it your story. I’ll leave this alone haha.
Even if you were correct. What difference would it make if the British had one or not. I didn’t say anything about the brits now did I.

[psiberzerker]

Even if you were correct. What difference would it make if the British had one or not. I didn’t say anything about the brits now did I.

You could look it up.  You won't, because checking my facts makes me weak, and doubting the US Army tech that worked on our "Artillery guns" gives you power over me.

Right?

The difference is, my Hi-powers (Without the stock) are concealable, while 5" British Naval guns are clear across the fucking Atlantic Ocean, and therefore don't pose much of a threat to our school children, now do they?  Might have something to do with the fact that our domestic terrorists chose high capacity autos, instead of British Naval guns.

But they're big, and powerful, and that appears to be all that matters to you.  Why do we even bother making pistols, when we have "Artillery guns?"  A real veteran would be able to tell you, if I thought you would listen.  A real veteran would know what to call an "Artillery gun."

Incidentally, if you were in any branch of the military, you'd know a lot of differences between the Navy, and the Army.  Not which one is bigger, nor more powerful, but subtle little differences, which are actually important.

[psiberzerker]

Now, the "Right to bear arms" is vaguely stated.  Does that include high capacity autos?  What about 5" artillery guns?

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-You should probably fact check yourself here. It’s okay tho
You’ve made it clear you don’t believe a word I’ve said and that’s okay too. How about from now on you stop your bullshit witch hunt and I won’t refer my service. Our service of our country has nothing to do with these conversations. It may make you feel better. If not then I will continue to fuck with you.

[psiberzerker]

How about from now on you stop your bullshit witch hunt and I won’t refer my service.

   Witch hunt?  Okay, showing up on a sex positive site, looking for "Ugly chicks" to badmouth.  That's not a witch hunt.    Do you have any talking points you don't get from Fox and Friends?  (Or your gun taking president, who gets his talking points from Fox and Friends.)

You already referred to your alleged service.  I used to service "Artillery guns" for the US Army.  

To me service of country has nothing to do with these conversations.

It might if you knew a god damned thing about guns, or more about them than what you claim to know about lefties.  For instance that the 30-40 Krag you picked, and claimed to own is a smokeless round, and always was.

It may make you feel better. If not then I will continue to fuck with you.

Bullshit.  You haven't shown the ability to control the impulse to fuck with anyone you considered weak since you got here.  I'll believe that when I see it.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker- haha here we go again. You are still a joker. Impulse control...yeah your message shows how spot on you are with it. 


I never claimed the 30-40 was anything actually so why are you so uptight about it always being a smokeless round. That’s your bit of knowledge you chose to give. Hahaha   

[psiberzerker]

How do you clean a Krag–Jørgensen?  I'm going to look that up, while you make something up, since that's how you seem to think being right works.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-Don’t know I don’t own one.
Haha have fun numbnuts

[psiberzerker]

Well, that was, almost interesting?  Good night, try to think of something I haven't already heard hundreds of times over the past couple years to talk about tomorrow.  Maybe make up a believable story to explain why you don't know anything about what you totally should know about, owning the actual gun we're talking about, that you don't know anything about.

Or not?  You can always stop playing my game, and resist the urge to fuck with me like you said, right?  You can totally stop wasting my time, like you said, right?

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-you said to make something up while you looked it up so I did. Then I wish you well while you look it up. Hahaha only did what you asked of me.

[psiberzerker]

Haha.  I'll start adding that to let you know that was facetious.  Haha.

Don't you have a wife, and kids, and guns, and 6.5" of pink steel to tuck in?  It's late, get some sleep.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-psss...hey numbnuts, are you wearing your nightgown while you look for the 5” gun that you say we have never used??

[psiberzerker]

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Well, as long as you're boring me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQAqNqaiQwY

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-so sweet of you. Now I will never have to worry about disappointing you or getting your approval. I’ll follow the instructions in this video to the letter. I Promise hahaha. Wait do I actually have to fucking watch it?