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Reply #140 on: November 30, 2017, 03:02:21 PM
Rapid fire of any sort gets your range privileges revoked at my gun club.  Muzzles rise when people do that, and that sends rounds up and potentially past the berms and can kill someone.

Also, my club requires every member to take RSO training to even use the ranges.



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Reply #141 on: November 30, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
I feel bad that someone was so desperate they had to rob an Arby's with child in tow.



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Reply #142 on: December 01, 2017, 12:45:58 AM
I feel bad that someone was so desperate they had to rob an Arby's with child in tow.

Now, the guy who was held at gunpoint, and the accomplice in the getaway car will each be cared for, fed and clothed, so their problems are over, if indeed they were feeling desperate.

Hopefully they will be confined long enough to get fully off any drugs they may be plagued by, will be able to fully quit smoking, and the child will be raised by loving foster parents who are not addicts, or desperate, or criminals.

Wonder how they learned about the employee carrying deposit money to the bank, in order to rob the guy, in the first place. Inside job of some sort, and o that day they had 7 deposits in hand... for whatever reason, an unusual dollar amount, as compared to one daily tally.

Good that the store manager has a carry permit, and was able to peacefully resolve this issue, capture the criminal, and the police were able to capture the getaway driver and his/her child, and seize the getaway car in the process.

Citizens will be spending many many thousands of dollars on this scum, just the trial and free lawyers, plus whatever jail time at an average of 25,000 or more per prisoner, per year. Let us hope when they get out, they stay on the straight and narrow, and never regain their right to vote.

Criminal acts matter.

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Reply #143 on: December 01, 2017, 02:03:10 AM
Or maybe if Trump actually instituted some of those public works programs he promised he could get a job and not have to stoop to robbery.  Saginaw is like Detroit. People are desperate for jobs there.  Instead Trump is giving tax breaks to rich people and corporations.

When corporations were asked if they would create more jobs with their tax breaks many laughed and said: "Naw, we are going to engage in some stock buy-back programs." This will make the remaining stock much more valuable which will increase the portfolio of the CEOs.



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Reply #144 on: December 01, 2017, 02:16:58 AM
Criminal acts matter.

Like child rape?

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Reply #145 on: December 03, 2017, 11:54:26 PM
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 11:57:00 PM by joan1984 »

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Reply #146 on: December 04, 2017, 02:14:24 AM
Yes Joan, occasionally there are justifiable homicides in the name of self-defense.  But this shooting did not have to happen.  Just how did an under-aged boy obtain a weapon with which to commit a robbery?  Perhaps his parents or someone else did not secure it properly in a gun safe?

And you should remember, that for every justifiable homicide there are hundreds accidental shootings that result in the loss of life among our most vulnerable.  Who is speaking out for them?


The gun massacre America isn’t talking about
IN their homes, in their cots or in the car — guns are killing more children in the US than the flu, and parents are terrified.
Vanessa Brown

THEY are the daily headlines that have become all too common.

In their homes, in their cots or in the car — handguns and firearms reportedly kill more children in the US than the flu.

Just this month, a toddler found his mother’s handgun and fatally shot his 2-year-old brother in Colorado.

Days later, a 7-year-old girl was shot and killed by her 2-year-old cousin, after the firearm discharged and fatally struck her inside a Nashville apartment.

And just this week — another 2-year-old boy accessed a handgun within the family home — and accidentally shot himself while playing in the hallway.

These incidents make up a small pool of the 1,300 children in the US aged 17 or younger to die because of gunshot wounds each year.

In a new study released in online journal Pediatrics, about 19 lives are lost each day at the hands of a firearm. Of that figure, 3.5 are under the age of 18 — with boys accounting for the vast majority of victims.

“These are preventable injuries that have a major public health impact on early death and disability among children,” lead author Katherine A. Fowler, Ph.D. told Associated Press.
“Firearm injuries are an important public health problem, contributing substantially to premature death and disability of children.

“Understanding their nature and impact is a first step toward prevention.”

For decades, gunshot wounds have ranked second behind car crashes as the leading cause of death from injuries for US children.

But while car travel has become safer, gun fatalities have remained high in that age group.
“The majority of these children are boys, 13 to 17 years old, and African-American in the case of firearm homicide, and non-Hispanic white and American Indian/Alaska Native in the case of firearm suicide,” Fowler told CBS.

Dr. Ruth Abaya, assistant professor of pediatrics in the division of Emergency Medicine at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, also told CBS News, “The findings were staggering.”
About 19 U.S. children per day are killed by or receive emergency treatment for gunshot wounds, according to a new study in the US.

Child fatalities in the US is far higher than in any other high-income country, according to the study – which indicates that 91 per cent of firearm deaths of children under 14 years in high-income countries worldwide occur in the United States.

Speaking to news.com.au, Associate Professor and founder of gunpolicy.org, Philip Alpers said people in America believe that loaded guns make you safer.

“That’s been disproved over and over again by the evidence,” he said.

“Studies show that a loaded gun in the home greatly increases the risk of someone in that residence from being shot.”


In a blog post on parenting website ScaryMommy.com, contributor Jen Groeber said the very first question she asks the parents hosting a playdate for her child is whether they have a firearm in the house or not.

“I’ll send it in an email usually, although sometimes in an overworked text,” she wrote.
“Do you have a gun? And if so, do you have it in a lockbox?”

According to the American Academy of Pediatrics – the safest households are those with no firearms.

And Groeber, who is an artist, writer and mother-of-four, agrees – saying she doesn’t have firearms in her household – because “gun definitely aren’t for kids”.

'Guns definitely aren’t for kids, and you don’t need to hold a pretend weapon to pretend to kill your brother or sister or friend.'

“When my kids ask why I don’t buy them a Nerf gun or an automatic squirter water gun, I tell them I’m not into guns in our house,” she wrote.

“I say that I believe that guns aren’t made for playing. In fact, as far as I can tell, they’re mostly made for killing things.

“But guns definitely aren’t for kids, and you don’t need to hold a pretend weapon to pretend to kill your brother or sister or friend.”

The study also showed that an average of 493 children died of gun-related suicides each year – up from 1.6 per 100,000 in 2014, compared with 1.0 per 100,000 in 2007.
White and Native American children are four times more likely to kill themselves by firearms than black and Hispanic children.

“Suicides are often impulsive in this age group, with previous findings indicating that many who attempt suicide spend 10 minutes or less deliberating,” the research paper said.
But given the widespread acceptance of gun ownership in the US, parents often are not open to hearing the messages about the dangers of firearms within the home.

Child fatalities in the US is far higher than in any other high-income country, according to the study

“Millions of Americans have a gun in their homes thinking that it makes their family safer, but every day in our nation, dozens of these families learn just how dangerous and tragic that miscalculation can be,” Dan Gross, president of the Brady Center, said in a statement to VICE. “The bottom line is, having a gun in the home dramatically increases the danger that a child will be shot and killed.”

The study is the most comprehensive analysis of firearm deaths and injuries among American children ever conducted, according to two paediatric experts who were not involved in the research.

Centers for Disease Control researchers say there are a variety of ways to prevent firearm injuries and deaths through programs that help children manage their emotions and develop coping and problem-solving skills.

These may take the form of street outreach, school-based programs and therapeutic approaches. Related issues like poverty also need to be addressed, according to the study.
In addition, properly storing guns can prevent access by a child who is playing or one considering suicide at a time of crisis.

“However difficult it may be to confront the problem of firearm injuries in our children, youth, and families, we cannot ignore the magnitude of this ongoing public health crisis,” Dr. Eliot Nelson, a University of Vermont College of Medicine professor, added.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/the-gun-massacre-america-isnt-talking-about/news-story/2ce3d693d182cb31ca7dbab186b2564c



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Reply #147 on: December 04, 2017, 02:36:56 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/03/pizza-deliveryman-shoots-back-kills-armed-robber/

http://fox2now.com/2017/12/01/st-louis-pizza-delivery-driver-kills-robber-during-shootout/
For those leftists who will not view breitbart.com links.

Just by posting a link to breitbart you lose all credibility.  Fox is hardly much better.

As a ‘leftist’ but also the owner of about 25+ guns, I like to get real news from real journalists and real news organizations that make at least some effort to remain unbiased.  I do not read/watch msnbc for the reason my understanding is they are biased to the left.  I do often read Fox, as it’s always best to know what the ‘dangerous crazies’ are imbibing vs the ‘harmless crazies’.

The difference between mainstream news like CNN,so oftem maligned by Trump, and those such as msnbc, Fox and especially breitbart, is for mainstream news eliminating bias is company policy, while for msnbc, Fox and again especially breitbart, bias IS company policy.



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Reply #148 on: December 04, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
Just by posting a link to breitbart you lose all credibility.  Fox is hardly much better.

As a ‘leftist’ but also the owner of about 25+ guns, I like to get real news from real journalists and real news organizations that make at least some effort to remain unbiased.  I do not read/watch msnbc for the reason my understanding is they are biased to the left.  I do often read Fox, as it’s always best to know what the ‘dangerous crazies’ are imbibing vs the ‘harmless crazies’.

The difference between mainstream news like CNN,so oftem maligned by Trump, and those such as msnbc, Fox and especially breitbart, is for mainstream news eliminating bias is company policy, while for msnbc, Fox and again especially breitbart, bias IS company policy.



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Reply #149 on: December 07, 2017, 03:49:08 PM

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


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Reply #150 on: December 07, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
Wow!  You and Fox News really had to search to find a story to fit the NRA narrative didn't you?  What about all the kids that are dead because of unsecured guns in the home?

Fact: People are safer when there are no firearms in the home.  A gun is more likly to be used to kill or injure a loved one than to stop a bad guy.



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Reply #151 on: December 07, 2017, 05:58:15 PM

Wow!  You and Fox News really had to search to find a story to fit the NRA narrative didn't you?  What about all the kids that are dead because of unsecured guns in the home?

Fact: People are safer when there are no firearms in the home.  A gun is more likly to be used to kill or injure a loved one than to stop a bad guy.


You're right:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/accidental-gun-deaths-shooting-children-undercounted-cdc-ap-usa-today/






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Reply #152 on: December 12, 2017, 07:07:52 AM

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


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Reply #153 on: December 12, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
I am glad no one was killed and the perps will face justice in the court of law.



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Reply #154 on: December 12, 2017, 03:36:24 PM
Joan.......you will "always' be able to find someone (good person) with a gun, and yes they have on many occasions helped deter "the bad guys"......that's not the problem.
The problem is "The Good Guys" who have guns and have accidents that kill or wound innocent people / children. So coming up with all these good guy stories is fine, but there are far far more good guy's with guns who have accidents that take innocent lives.
So really what are you trying to prove...??

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Reply #155 on: December 12, 2017, 03:40:03 PM
She is trying to bolster the current NRA talking point, because it doesn't stand on its own.  Possibly she even works for the NRA and gets paid to post her nonsense.



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Reply #156 on: December 12, 2017, 04:13:47 PM
Then joan1984 is worst astroturfer ever.

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Reply #157 on: December 12, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
Yes, so am I.  Was unclear what happened to the stolen Rental Car of the defender's friend, but sounds Police have this case well in hand. These criminals were out hunting for trouble, perhaps scouting prior, noticing the 'new' vehicle in that area, the Rental of his friend.

We are well rid of the group of criminals, and sounds they have some history with other crimes, well done average citizen who fought back.

I am glad no one was killed and the perps will face justice in the court of law.

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
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Reply #158 on: December 12, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Yes, so am I. 

Then joan1984 is worst astroturfer ever.

At least we now know.

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Reply #159 on: December 12, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
  All people who own and use firearms should respect that accidental access and use is a potential problem, and each is responsible for taking positive actions in how the firearms are stored, and how access to others is prevented.

  Such responsibility is part of our common bond as upstanding citizens. It is not needed nor desired to have neighbors commenting or advising our citizens about how to exercise their rights responsibly, and legislation is not needed in this regard.


Joan.......you will "always' be able to find someone (good person) with a gun, and yes they have on many occasions helped deter "the bad guys"......that's not the problem.
The problem is "The Good Guys" who have guns and have accidents that kill or wound innocent people / children. So coming up with all these good guy stories is fine, but there are far far more good guy's with guns who have accidents that take innocent lives.
So really what are you trying to prove...??

Love,
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Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.