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on: December 09, 2014, 03:22:55 PM
Determined to get their report on the record, before losing her Chair, Senator Feinstein will do President Obama's bidding, and release the "Majority Report" she has had the pajama boy Democrat staffers write over the past eight years, despite the damage she and our President knows this incomplete and biased "report" will cause loss of American lives overseas.

The benefit will outweigh the costs... supposedly. U.S. Military forces worldwide are on Alert due to this release. Little is to be learned that is new to anyone paying attention. 3 trogladyte serial murderers were subjected to some Perrier spritzed up their noses, and now enjoy their culturally sensitive meals at a tropical location, with a great set of soccer fields.

All this, to show how this committee and these Senators have squandered their time since they gained the Majority, to attack the institutions of the United States. Only Democrats agree to the release of this report. Little to nothing new is to be gained. What is the Up Side? None I can see.

The same thinking is what voters have rejected, finally, so they do it because they can, without regard to the potentially deadly tradeoffs.

Are these the people we have been waiting for?
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Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 03:27:51 PM
Actually, The people we have been "waiting for" are still at the bus stop at the end of the galaxy. (or resturant, if you prefer)....Thank you Douglas Adams.
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Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 03:42:02 PM

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Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
  A good opportunity to steal the news cycle from Gruber's testimony today in front of House Oversight Committee, regarding the slick and slimy tricks to pass Obamacare, and the President's complicity, lying, etc. Hey, worth a few American lives, right... shove it out there, ready or not... Classified, nah, no matter... some sunlight please on old news.

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Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 04:07:57 PM

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Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 01:23:26 AM
One upside of releasing the report is to show people that torture rarely gets positive results as it relates to intelligence information.  Even Sen McCain agreed to that conclusion and he should know, having spent, I think, seven years in captivity.
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Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 02:06:51 AM

  A good opportunity to steal the news cycle from Gruber's testimony today in front of House Oversight Committee, regarding the slick and slimy tricks to pass Obamacare, and the President's complicity, lying, etc. Hey, worth a few American lives, right... shove it out there, ready or not... Classified, nah, no matter... some sunlight please on old news.









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Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 05:05:05 AM
As I have stated before, torture does not elicit reliable intelligence.

Even the Romans knew this. But hey, are you going to argued with 2000 year old knowledge, or be the upstanding neo-con sheeple?

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Reply #9 on: December 10, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
Mission Accomplished!

The front page, above the fold with banner headline, Washington Post covered the Democrat Intel Report, never mentioned the Jonathan Gruber testimony by rote before a House Committee on Government Oversight, and ignored any Republican Intel Report by the Senate. There was no concensus Intel Report, which should speak volumes.

Setting fires and breaking windows on her way out the door, Senator Feinstein and the grad student pajama boys, Democrat aides who wrote the cobbled together and hastily released report managed to scoop all other news from Capitol Hill for last night's TV news, and today's Headlines, assuring the ripple effect of headlines as we head toward the weekend.

Old information, which the Senate was aware of at the time, and which the Intel Committee minority was included in at the time, was available to Senator Feinstein as it was happening, and certainly as Ranking Member in real time, then Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee since 2006, has been declassified (the portion released) for more than 4 years, and just because she could, was released.

Allies, including Poland, were informed YESTERDAY by President Obama about details they could expect to be made public, which may insure other Administration goals to totally destroy relations with most current and former allies, under the guise of transparency. This, the least transparent executive administration in recent history, unlike the explicit campaign promises and claims since 2006.

What we need to see now is a full report on the husband of Senator Feinstein, and her family finances... I am certain she has earned such a report, if only there were some who have those skills and the info to dribble it out in public.

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Reply #11 on: December 10, 2014, 04:40:18 PM

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Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 05:48:36 PM
Opposition to that report simply solidifies the perception that the Republican Party supports torture.

Way to go with promoting American values.

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Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
As I have stated before, torture does not elicit reliable intelligence.

Even the Romans knew this. But hey, are you going to argued with 2000 year old knowledge, or be the upstanding neo-con sheeple?

Correction. As you and I have stated.  But one has to wonder when figures such as Pelosi and Feinstein deny having any knowledge of us torturing others when there is proof that they have sat in meetings as early as 2002 when torture was discussed and agreed upon to find out who was responsible for 9/11.  Convenient lapse of memory?   

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Reply #14 on: December 11, 2014, 01:15:01 AM
Politics. I do not excuse them for giving the ok for enhanced interrogation techniques.

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Reply #15 on: December 11, 2014, 03:38:46 PM
I support Senator Udall's call for Brennan to resign and that Obama support legislation that would enshrine his executive order banning torture.


Senator Udall Discloses CIA Findings on Torture and Blasts Obama’s Inaction
George Zornick

The debate in Washington over Bush-era torture at the Central Intelligence Agency took a large leap forward Wednesday morning when Senator Mark Udall took the Senate floor and disclosed portions of an internal CIA review, while renewing his demand for a change in the intelligence agency’s leadership and criticizing the Obama administration for not doing enough to ensure torture doesn’t happen again.

The so-called “Panetta Review” has dominated much of the drama leading up to the torture report’s release. The document is an internal CIA examination that reportedly validated many of the worst claims about the torture program, including much of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s findings. (The CIA was after this document when it breached Senate computers in January.)

On Wednesday, Udall described the Panetta Review as a “smoking gun”—proof from the CIA itself that there were serious problems with the torture program. It undercuts almost every contemporary statement made by CIA Director John Brennan and other top intelligence officials, he said, who have vocally been defending what occurred.

Since the CIA refuses to make the Panetta Review public, Udall declared Wednesday, “I am here today to disclose some of its key findings and conclusions on the Senate floor for the public record, which fly directly in the face of claims made by senior CIA officials past and present.”

He then proceeded to describe, for the first time, some of what the Panetta Review found, contrasting it directly to Brennan’s public statements. His remarks on that score, in full:

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    The Panetta Review found that the CIA repeatedly provided inaccurate information to the Congress, the president, and the public on the efficacy of its coercive techniques. The Brennan Response, in contrast, continues to insist that the CIA’s interrogations produced unique intelligence that saved lives. Yet the Panetta Review identifies dozens of documents that include inaccurate information used to justify the use of torture—and indicates that the inaccuracies it identifies do not represent an exhaustive list.

    The Panetta Review further describes how detainees provided intelligence prior to the use of torture against them. It describes how the CIA—contrary to its own representations—often tortured detainees before trying any other approach. It describes how the CIA tortured detainees even when less coercive methods were yielding intelligence. The Panetta Review further identifies cases in which the CIA used coercive techniques when it had no basis for determining whether a detainee had critical intelligence at all. In other words, CIA personnel tortured detainees to confirm they didn’t have intelligence—not because they thought they did.

This is a critical disclosure that intelligence officials should be confronted with the next time they appear on television. (Given their pervasive presence on the airwaves over the past day, it won’t be long.) It’s not just that Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee reached a damning conclusion about CIA torture—the CIA itself reached the same conclusion but won’t admit it.

As Udall put it in his remarks: “Director Brennan and the CIA today are continuing to willfully provide inaccurate information and misrepresent the efficacy of torture. In other words, the CIA is lying.”

Yet, Brennan remains in his job. And Udall did not spare President Obama for this fact:

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    To date, there has been no accountability for the CIA’s actions or for Director Brennan’s failure of leadership. Despite the facts presented, the president has expressed his “full confidence” in Director Brennan, and demonstrated that trust by making no effort at all to rein him in. The president stated that it wasn’t “appropriate” for him to wade into the issues between the Committee and the CIA.[…]

    The White House has not led on this issue in the manner we expected when we heard the president’s campaign speeches in 2008 and read the executive order he issued in January 2009. To CIA employees in April 2009, President Obama said, “What makes the United States special, and what makes you special, is precisely the fact that we are willing to uphold our values and ideals even when it’s hard—not just when it’s easy; even when we are afraid and under threat—not just when it’s expedient to do so. That’s what makes us different.”

    This tough, principled talk set an important tone for the beginning of his presidency. However, fast forward to this year, after so much has come to light about the CIA’s barbaric programs, and President Obama’s response was that we “crossed a line” as a nation, and that, quote, “hopefully, we don’t do it again in the future.”

    That’s not good enough. We need to be better than that. There can be no cover-up. There can be no excuses. If there is no moral leadership from the White House helping the public understand that the CIA’s torture program wasn’t necessary and didn’t save lives or disrupt terrorist plots, then what’s to stop the next White House and CIA Director from supporting torture?

Udall renewed his call for Brennan to resign and demanded that Obama support legislation that would enshrine his executive order banning torture. He also asked Obama to fully declassify the Panetta Review and the entire Senate Intelligence Committee Report (only the executive summary and key findings were released on Tuesday), along with the CIA Inspector General report on the breach of Senate computers.

Finally, Udall drew attention to the fact that not only have people who participated in the torture program not been prosecuted—but they still have jobs. “The president needs to purge his administration of high-level officials who were instrumental to the development and running of this program,” Udall said. “He needs to force a cultural change at the CIA.”

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Reply #16 on: December 11, 2014, 03:47:49 PM


Torture: John McCain’s unique, brutal perspective

Sen. John McCain, who spent more than five years as a POW in North Vietnam, where he was tortured, continues to oppose 'enhanced interrogation' as detailed this week in the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Not many fellow Republicans agree with him.

In his statement on the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on the Central Intelligence Agency's interrogation methods this week, Sen. John McCain didn’t mention Vietnam. He didn’t have to.

Everyone knows he spent 5-1/2 years in North Vietnamese prisons, where he was denied adequate medical treatment for the serious injuries he experienced when he ejected from a stricken A-4 Skyhawk Navy jet on his 23rd combat mission, repeatedly tortured, and kept in isolation – to the point where he later made what he called “feeble attempts” at suicide.

His posture and limited arm movements 47 years later are reminders of the mistreatment, in particular being trussed up in ropes tight enough to dislocate shoulders.

But in a 1,600-word statement on the floor of the Senate Tuesday, Senator McCain did allude to his unique familiarity with torture:

“I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence,” he said. “I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering.”

In McCain’s case, he revealed in his 1999 family memoir “Faith of My Fathers” (both his father and his grandfather had been US Navy admirals), he was forced to sign a confession of "war crimes." Although many prisoners of war under torture had the same experience, and although he refused an offer of early release, McCain still sees this as a personal failing.

“Most of all,” he continued in his statement this week, “I know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies, our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights, which are protected by international conventions the U.S. not only joined, but for the most part authored.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, (R) of South Carolina, McCain’s Senate sidekick on military and intelligence matters, takes a similar position.

“As a military lawyer for more than 30 years, I believe we can and must fight this war within our values,” Senator Graham said in a statement. “I supported the investigation of the CIA as the problems of interrogation policies were obvious to me. I do not condone torture and continue to believe abusive detention and interrogation techniques used in the past were counterproductive. I'm very happy the techniques in question are no longer utilized.”

Vietnam runs deep for McCain, as it does for most veterans of that war. For him, it’s beyond partisan politics, sometimes in opposition to fellow conservatives’ positions.

When then-Sen. John Kerry (D) ran for president in 2004, some of his political opponents questioned his service and decorations earned as a young lieutenant commanding a US Navy patrol vessel in Vietnam known as a “swift boat.” McCain – although he headed George W. Bush’s reelection effort in Arizona that year – defended his Senate friend against the attack ads he called “dishonest and dishonorable.”

For years, McCain pushed against US use of what is euphemistically known as “enhanced interrogation,” which this week’s Senate report revealed included "force-feeding" through a prisoner’s rectum. In 2009, President Obama banned the use of torture after he took office.

McCain sponsored the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which prohibits “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” of captured combatants, whether they wear a nation’s uniform or not.

As he notes in his statement this week, he successfully offered amendments to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which, among other things, prevented the attempt to weaken the Geneva Conventions, and broadened definitions in the War Crimes Act to make the future use of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques punishable as war crimes.

It would be understandable if his own experience over the years between his capture in 1967 and his release in 1973 left him bitter about his tormentors.

But, he says, “this question isn’t about our enemies; it’s about us.”

“It’s about who we were, who we are, and who we aspire to be,” McCain says. “It’s about how we represent ourselves to the world…. Our enemies act without conscience. We must not.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/1210/Torture-John-McCain-s-unique-brutal-perspective-video



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Reply #17 on: December 11, 2014, 06:32:17 PM
  You remember Senator John McCain, who you all voted for, and supported when he ran for President... right...

  Oh, you did not care to see him recognized as a war hero for crashing his jet (the second, or third jet he crashed, I think) in Vietnam, and spending time at the Hanoi Hilton with those friends of Jane Fonda...

  No? You thought the first lady of Arkansas had the job locked, remember, then you dumped her without ceremony, for the unknown mixed race guy with no traceable record at all, who promised nothing, or whatever you thought he was promising, yeah, that's the ticket... hope, change... whatever...

  That John McCain... remember his credibility? You loved this guy.
He is the one who was in favor of putting troops into Syria, before the poll results told President Obama to draw a Red Line, then waffle about it, then flush the whole thing once the news cycle passed... you were so in favor of everything John McCain has to say, he has so much credibility...

  The John McCain who was destined to lose his Senate seat, until Sarah Palin campaigned for him there, and in key Conservative circles and helped him raise enough money to snuff out the Democrat, and she got people to hold their noses one more time and pull the handle for him... that John McCain...

  That's the one Lois is quoting, and wants to influence your opinion about the leftist partisan attack done by the Democrat staffers and Senator Diane Feinstein, who released a report on 8 year old data that was dutifully recorded by the CIA, and provided to the Senate Intel Committee, when Senator Feinstein was the Minority Ranking Member, and without a PEEP from her, or other Senate Intel members, proceeded with approval from the Department of Justice then, and again were exonerated from prosecution by Eric Holder and President Obama's Department Of Justice upon his winning office.

  That John McCain... enjoy...

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Reply #18 on: December 11, 2014, 09:49:54 PM
Joan, have you no shame?

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Reply #19 on: December 11, 2014, 10:05:10 PM
  Democrats, and Democrats only, on the Senate Intelligence Committee took over 6 million documents, cherry picked them for salacious paragraphs, all provided to them by various Government agencies, all provided more than 6 years ago, some 8 years ago, and at the last minute, as they are going out the door, published a 500 page document, with plans to sell copies to like minded leftists world wide, giving a less than appropriate, incomplete, slanted diatribe that sells out allies, and patriots alike. For no good reason, except to show they can.

  This dredging up of 2001 and 2002 actions, of which Senator Feinstein was fully aware at the time, along with all key members of the committee, in real time, and even prior to some actions, all of which were in sincere efforts to protect this nation from follow on attacks, which have been successful to this day.

  This when the current Administration policy is not to capture and interrogate, but rather to kill them all, and anyone nearby via drone strikes, the countries be damned, just vaporize them so we don't need to house them at Guantanamo, cause that was on the Dems wish list during O's first Campaign... not for any other good reason.

  This is somehow better? Airing dirty laundry, cherrypicked to the point where there could be no joint agreement of the Committee, let alone the Senate, should be beneath Senator Feinstein. The White House, the State Department, were all against release of this report, yet it was leaked days ago to The Washington Post by someone in the Senate, and so there it is, out there.

  Senator McCain has demonstrated his senility in plain view over the past several years, and needs to just shut up, and stay in his cage. His reelection was enough for me to challenge Sarah Palin's wisdom, and reduced my opinion of her, even as she resurrected him single handedly, and the Tea Party helped him stay in his Job. Sad.

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