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on: July 31, 2014, 08:18:39 PM
  House Leaders finally got the message, after Conservatives caused a telephone meltdown today over the details in the House Bill. They pulled the bill at 155pm today. No vote at all, for now at least.

  The amount was not the question, as the 659 Million in Emergency Spending was close to the appropriate need to extend the current budgets as needed until September 30, 2014, the end of this Fiscal Year.

  The language in the bill was the problem. Setting up near imposible rules for usage would have simply negated those rules, even if the Bill was ultimately signed into law. It invited Senate meddling. Jamming through Legislation that is known not to be of value by the members voting on it is not what is needed, and the Bill would have failed.

  Small victories.

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Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
It will still be viewed as tea party/conservatives showing bad faith on the immigration issue.

The Party of No simply reinforces the negative stereotype.

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Reply #2 on: August 01, 2014, 02:09:33 AM
  No doubt about it, and the Speaker knew exactly what was necessary to fix the Bill, and refused any changes. Will see if the Bill comes up again tomorrow, but as is, I hope not, as do the overwhelming majority of the House. The Bill proposed would not have passed the Senate intact, or anywhere near intact, and had no business being voted upon.

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Reply #3 on: August 01, 2014, 04:56:11 AM
No. He and the rest of the republicans refused to compromise.

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Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 05:28:16 AM
Rebellion Inside G.O.P. Scuttles Vote on Border Bill
By ASHLEY PARKER and JONATHAN WEISMAN

WASHINGTON — Conservatives in the House rebelled against their leadership on Thursday to scuttle an emergency spending measure that addressed the migrant crisis at the southern border, pushing the issue to a showdown on Friday as lawmakers prepared to leave for a five-week recess. The unexpected turmoil offered a coda to the dysfunction that has gripped the Capitol for much of the year.

The failure of the comparatively modest Republican border bill, coupled with the Senate’s own inability to even bring a Democratic alternative to a vote, emphasized how the prospects of a broad immigration overhaul — which at the beginning of the 113th Congress held great bipartisan promise — have ground to a crashing halt.

The struggle to deal with immigration, which became more urgent with the flood of tens of thousands of children at the border, succumbed to congressional infighting, driven by more conservative Republicans who balked at further government spending and President Obama’s approach on deporting the migrants.

Fissures were evident in the Republican Party, with many House members critical of their more conservative colleagues for holding up the bill, arguing that heading home for the August break having not even voted on immigration legislation would be politically damaging. The episode was also a rebuke, at least temporarily, for Speaker John A. Boehner and his new leadership team, who in an emergency closed-door meeting on Thursday told members that they were not even close to the necessary votes required to pass the bill.

House Republicans were set to hold another meeting on Friday morning to decide how to move forward, and nearly all the lawmakers said they would stay in Washington as long as necessary to put the bill on the floor. “There was a lot of come-to-Jesus talk in there, and I think at the end of the day we’re going to end up getting to a majority and get this thing passed,” said Representative Adam Kinzinger, Republican of Illinois. “Were not going to leave here until this is done.”

Representative Charlie Dent, a moderate Republican from Pennsylvania, said, “Doing nothing is the worst of all worlds.”

“You have people on our side of the aisle who go through all sorts of contortions to get to ‘no,’ ” Mr. Dent said. “On the Democratic side, they’ll vote for the money but not for the policy changes. In my party, we’ll vote for the policy changes but not the money to implement the policy. This is extraordinarily frustrating and infuriating for people like me. We have a crisis on our hands.”

While Republicans were stunned by Thursday’s setback, the inability of either chamber to reach a consensus on even a scaled-back bill to deal with the border crisis yielded no clear winners. Republicans fear that not at least voting on a border measure could hurt them in the November midterm elections — as well as the 2016 presidential election — even as the electoral climate has been highly favorable to them. Democrats worry that any bill the Republicans could pass would endanger the young migrants fleeing violence in their Central American countries.

The Republican leaders had hoped to push through a $659 million emergency spending measure, well short of the $2.7 billion that Senate Democrats had proposed and the $3.7 billion that President Obama had requested.

Mr. Boehner and his team had worked to hold together their already fragile coalition to support the border bill by promising members a vote on an additional measure intended to curb Mr. Obama’s executive authority to stop the deportation of certain immigrants in the country illegally, including those brought as young children.

But in the end, it was not enough. House Republicans were not helped by their Senate counterparts, particularly Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, who on Wednesday night held a meeting over pizza and beer with more than a dozen of the House’s most conservative lawmakers where he voiced his concerns about the immigration bill.

Mr. Cruz came up in Thursday’s closed-door meeting, which opened acrimoniously, according to House members. Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, said some members had expressed frustration that Mr. Cruz was once again dictating terms to the House, as he did when he helped push Congress toward a government shutdown in October.

“I do wish that Ted Cruz would stay in the Senate,” Mr. King said after the meeting. “Nobody elected him speaker. Nobody elected him majority leader in the House, and it’s really a cheap shot to be coming in from the side. To have some guy come in from the outside like the Pied Piper is wrong.”

Mr. King added that it was critical for Republicans to vote on their own legislation before leaving. “It’s very important we show we’re a governing party,” he said. “It’s bad enough we shut the government down last year.”

The outcome was at great remove from the optimism that marked the immigration debate just a year ago. Fresh off a Republican report of the 2012 presidential election that said the party had to reach out to Hispanics and other minorities in order to survive, hope ran high for a broad immigration bill, including a path to citizenship for the 11 million immigrants in the country illegally. Unlikely bedfellows, like business and labor and technology officials, as well as religious leaders and farmers, signed on to help.

At the time, a flood of young migrants at the southern border was not even part of the debate.

But despite the efforts by the Senate, which passed an immigration overhaul in June 2013, the legislation foundered in the Republican-controlled House. Republican House members, many of whom sit in gerrymandered districts with small Hispanic populations, were unwilling to take a vote in favor of a broad compromise.

The issue became increasingly toxic, ensnaring Republicans like Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, an author of the Senate immigration bill. Once considered an ideal Republican to lead his party forward on the issue, Mr. Rubio took a hit for his involvement with an immigration overhaul and has since said Congress first needs to pass border security measures before turning to an overhaul.

Now, the crisis at the border has become a proxy fight over the larger immigration bill, which was officially declared dead by even its most ardent supporters this summer.

The White House has said the president expects to receive recommendations from the Department of Homeland Security and the Justice Department by the end of the summer about how Mr. Obama could use his executive authority to make immigration enforcement more humane.

Now the president is also coming under pressure on both sides. Republicans are asserting that they do not trust him to enforce the existing immigration laws, and saying that anything else he does would only further poison the debate. Democrats facing tough re-election fights are urging the administration not to take further executive actions on immigration, warning it could hurt them back home with voters.

In a meeting with lawmakers on Thursday to discuss foreign policy, Mr. Obama told Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, that he agreed with Republicans on 80 percent of the elements of the border legislation but disagreed on an important 20 percent: whether to offset the money and how to alter a 2008 law to allow American authorities to more quickly deport unaccompanied children, according to a White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The president said Republicans would have to think long and hard about why they would not act on the areas of consensus, the official added. The result, Mr. Obama said, is that he would have to act over the congressional recess to redirect funding in ways they would not like.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/us/politics/blow-to-house-gop-leadership-as-border-bill-falters-.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0



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Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
Compromise of principles is not an option.



No. He and the rest of the republicans refused to compromise.

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Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
Which principles would that be? The I don't want to pay for services one?

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Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 03:26:34 PM
If there is going to be any immigration reform it has to be with the cooperation of both parties.  Wish these politicians would put aside their childish ways and get our country unified.

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Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 03:29:41 PM
...with liberty and justice for all (white people).



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Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 03:36:08 PM
I think the principles they are standing on are, "We want our way, and only our way." and "It's all Obama's fault for being a muslim Kenyan."

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Reply #10 on: August 01, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
I think the principles they are standing on are, "We want our way, and only our way."

Yes, it is as narcissistic as all that.

Only they have principles, the the only right and correct principles at that.  :roll:

They would rather hold to these "principles" than do what is best for the country and the people they were elected to serve.



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Reply #11 on: August 01, 2014, 06:04:30 PM
What would be an acceptable immigration policy in your opinion all?
I keep hearing reform but never hear of what that entails.
What are the flaws with the current policy?



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Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 03:03:50 AM
What kinds of reforms would I like to see?

1.  I would like to see immigration reform that would allow families to be re-united.

2.  I would like to see a guest-worker program that would allow farm workers to cross the border and follow the harvest of crops so these crops are not left rotting in the field.

3.  I would like to see an amnesty program for hard working people that are already in the United States, so they can become legal, pay taxes, and follow a path to full citizenship.

4.  I would like to see the H1b Visa program expanded to allow more people with specialized skills, that the U.S. has in short supply, to come to the united states to work.  Currently there is a very limited number of openings and these opportunities are available only via lottery.  Many companies cannot hire the skilled workers they need because not enough H1b visas are available.  In the long term though, I would like to see an analysis concerning why our educational system is failing to provide the skilled workers we need, and implement reforms accordingly.


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Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 05:33:23 AM
H1b visa employee positions must be mandated to pay the equivalent US worker wages. No cheap labor sub planting US workers

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Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 01:30:26 PM

What kinds of reforms would I like to see?

1.  I would like to see immigration reform that would allow families to be re-united.

2.  I would like to see a guest-worker program that would allow farm workers to cross the border and follow the harvest of crops so these crops are not left rotting in the field.

3.  I would like to see an amnesty program for hard working people that are already in the United States, so they can become legal, pay taxes, and follow a path to full citizenship.

4.  I would like to see the H1b Visa program expanded to allow more people with specialized skills, that the U.S. has in short supply, to come to the united states to work.  Currently there is a very limited number of openings and these opportunities are available only via lottery.  Many companies cannot hire the skilled workers they need because not enough H1b visas are available.  In the long term though, I would like to see an analysis concerning why our educational system is failing to provide the skilled workers we need, and implement reforms accordingly.


Good post, Lois!

I think #2 and #3 are the most vital -- and the most immediately achievable.

In the mid-2000s, President Bush (#2) developed a very reasonable and achievable plan for creating a Guest Worker status, where the workers, especially agricultural workers, would receive a decent wage and benefits and be protected from exploitation, yet would be required to pay taxes. As with most reasonable plans these days, it went nowhere.

A "Path to Citizenship" -- and not an "amnesty" as commonly understood -- is also a sane and achievable solution. The main polemical argument employed by anti-immigrant proponents is that illegals are receiving benefits without contributing toward them. To my mind, the first step on this path should be to require them to regularize their income tax situation. Once that happens they can begin the steps to earning permanent residency and, ultimately, citizenship.




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Reply #15 on: August 02, 2014, 02:13:58 PM

What kinds of reforms would I like to see?

1.  I would like to see immigration reform that would allow families to be re-united.

2.  I would like to see a guest-worker program that would allow farm workers to cross the border and follow the harvest of crops so these crops are not left rotting in the field.

3.  I would like to see an amnesty program for hard working people that are already in the United States, so they can become legal, pay taxes, and follow a path to full citizenship.

4.  I would like to see the H1b Visa program expanded to allow more people with specialized skills, that the U.S. has in short supply, to come to the united states to work.  Currently there is a very limited number of openings and these opportunities are available only via lottery.  Many companies cannot hire the skilled workers they need because not enough H1b visas are available.  In the long term though, I would like to see an analysis concerning why our educational system is failing to provide the skilled workers we need, and implement reforms accordingly.


Good post, Lois!

I think #2 and #3 are the most vital -- and the most immediately achievable.

In the mid-2000s, President Bush (#2) developed a very reasonable and achievable plan for creating a Guest Worker status, where the workers, especially agricultural workers, would receive a decent wage and benefits and be protected from exploitation, yet would be required to pay taxes. As with most reasonable plans these days, it went nowhere.

A "Path to Citizenship" -- and not an "amnesty" as commonly understood -- is also a sane and achievable solution. The main polemical argument employed by anti-immigrant proponents is that illegals are receiving benefits without contributing toward them. To my mind, the first step on this path should be to require them to regularize their income tax situation. Once that happens they can begin the steps to earning permanent residency and, ultimately, citizenship.






Nice post Barbara

Path to citizenship and I agree with migrant worker with the conditions stated.
We do need to enforce our borders as well or we will never get a handle on immigration.



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Reply #16 on: August 02, 2014, 06:35:49 PM
I have stated before that the only secured borders you can point to historically was the East German border.

They employed three bands of fences, one strewn with anti-personnel mines, an extensive 20,000 man border force, manned towers and patrols. People still got through. And it was dreaming expensive. That border was only a fraction of the Mexican US border.

I hope this illustrates why I think most conservatives who advocate a secure border are fucking stupid fools.
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Reply #17 on: August 02, 2014, 09:58:51 PM
If we can't secure the borders at least we shouldn't be greating them with  with a cupcake and glass of milk.
We should do things like deny housing, education, employment, healthcare unemployment checks, drivers licenses etc.

This comes back to a previous comment about allowing documented migrant workers and work visas.

The way it is now they are given the same rights as citizens so there is no incentive to quest for citizenship.



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Reply #18 on: August 02, 2014, 10:00:22 PM
The can get jobs here because there are no penalties assessed in those who hire them.

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Reply #19 on: August 02, 2014, 11:23:38 PM
The can get jobs here because there are no penalties assessed in those who hire them.

EXACTLY!!!

There should be penalties against employers