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on: November 26, 2013, 04:02:13 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/katy-perry-amas-opening-act-called-racist-article-1.1528285

Katy Perry performs at the AMA's and her costume apparently has deemed her to be called a 'racist' for depicting a geisha along with sexualising what the Japanese culture class as an entertainer. The only thing I can honestly say I find abhorrent about the act in itself is her awful vocals. I'm not a big fan, but to be classed a racist for embracing a culture that I adore myself and the one thing at the top of my bucket list is to be dressed as a geisha. Will that make me racist? because I am 'white'. As for sexualising the 'entertainer' I'm too late to get off that bus as I have written an erotic story about a geisha  ;D



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Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 04:35:01 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/katy-perry-amas-opening-act-called-racist-article-1.1528285

Katy Perry performs at the AMA's and her costume apparently has deemed her to be called a 'racist' for depicting a geisha along with sexualising what the Japanese culture class as an entertainer. The only thing I can honestly say I find abhorrent about the act in itself is her awful vocals. I'm not a big fan, but to be classed a racist for embracing a culture that I adore myself and the one thing at the top of my bucket list is to be dressed as a geisha. Will that make me racist? because I am 'white'. As for sexualising the 'entertainer' I'm too late to get off that bus as I have written an erotic story about a geisha  ;D



I completely agree. And, to answer the question you posed in the thread title, not.

It worth noting that in this instance -- as occurs every single time a fake controversy like this pops up -- the protest and outrage is not coming from the group putatively offended. It's coming from non-Japanese self-proclaimed moral arbiters, and others with so much time on their hands that they can spend their day tweeting about the most ridiculous of topics.




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Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
Speaking from a totally neutral point of view as I don't listen to Katy Perry's music, I don't find this racist.

I tried to watch the YouTube video, but it's been removed.

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Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 05:02:23 PM
Will that make me racist? because I am 'white'.


Nope, but that doesn't mean someone won't try to accuse you of it nonetheless. It has become highly profitable for "victims" to get "offended" so the victim compensation industry is booming.

It is truly unfortunate, because gratuitous use of the victim card or race card has jaded me to the point where it's hard for me to take any claim seriously. I recognize that I should be careful with that because even the story of the boy who cried wolf recognizes that real wolves exist, but I just can't take it seriously anymore and I don't care if that offends some people.

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Reply #4 on: November 26, 2013, 05:33:25 PM
It really perturbs me that we have people who actually create this shit, yes I'm posting about it but it's bizarre to me that it should even cause uproar. MissB is right too much time on their hands.

If I do become geisha as on my bucket list I will be literally white as my face will be made up that colour.  ;D

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Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 06:19:35 PM

If I do become geisha as on my bucket list I will be literally white as my face will be made up that colour.  ;D

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Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 06:27:03 PM
It really perturbs me that we have people who actually create this shit


It used to bug me, but now it just amuses me. The so called activists or victim group leaders who do this sort of thing are clearly just helping themselves rather than the communities they claim to represent, and in the long run are doing so to the detriment of those they claim to be representing.

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Reply #7 on: August 21, 2022, 10:21:50 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/katy-perry-amas-opening-act-called-racist-article-1.1528285

Katy Perry performs at the AMA's and her costume apparently has deemed her to be called a 'racist' for depicting a geisha along with sexualising what the Japanese culture class as an entertainer.

I'm a decade late to the discussion, but the article is still online and I took a look at it.

The costumes and makeup struck me as a grotesque parody of Japanese costume and make-up. Maybe that was the point.  ???



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Reply #8 on: August 21, 2022, 03:51:26 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/katy-perry-amas-opening-act-called-racist-article-1.1528285

Katy Perry performs at the AMA's and her costume apparently has deemed her to be called a 'racist' for depicting a geisha along with sexualising what the Japanese culture class as an entertainer.


I'm a decade late to the discussion, but the article is still online and I took a look at it.

The costumes and makeup struck me as a grotesque parody of Japanese costume and make-up. Maybe that was the point.  ???


This is an interesting and sober take in the incident:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/26/katy-perry-geisha-performance-american-music-awards-fuss




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Reply #9 on: August 21, 2022, 05:55:48 PM
My son spent the summer in Europe. When he returned he said, “It was really refreshing to encounter a culture where celebrityhood is largely ignored. Discussions are about issues of the day, and not what some Khardashian did.”

In America we are fed a steady diet of meaningless pablum, designed to keep us distracted while our overlords rape us.

I didn’t care about it when it happened, and I care even less ten years later.

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Reply #10 on: August 22, 2022, 02:43:25 AM

In America we are fed a steady diet of meaningless pablum, designed to keep us distracted while our overlords rape us.


While that may or may not be true, the point is that in America we consume a steady diet of meaningless pablum. And we spend tens of thousands of hours talking about it on social media.






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Reply #11 on: December 31, 2022, 11:18:53 PM
Ok, so I'm ten years and 4 months late to the discussion.  I've had an issue with the whole cultural appropriation thing.  Wouldn't it be a more understanding and peaceful world if we ALL became more familiar with and participated in the differences in cultures?  Also, it is apparently only cultural appropriation if a majority group imitates a style or behavior from a historically disenfranchised group.



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Reply #12 on: January 01, 2023, 12:24:44 AM
23 White Actors Miscast in Nonwhite Roles, From Mickey Rooney to Emma Stone

Rooney as Japanese? Stone as Chinese/Swedish/Hawaiian? TheWrap looks at history of racially misguided castings

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Hollywood just doesn't seem to learn from its mistakes as it continues to cast white actors in nonwhite roles again and again. And again.

Katharine Hepburn in "Dragon Seed" (1944)

Caucasian Hepburn played a Chinese woman in this big-screen adaptation of the Pearl S. Buck novel.

Marlon Brando in "The Teahouse of the August Moon" (1956)

Brando starred as an Okinawan translator for the U.S. Army in this comedy about the American occupation of the island nation.

John Wayne in "Conquerer" (1956)

Wayne was cast as Mongol conquerer Genghis Khan in what's considered by many to be one of the worst films of all time.

Charlton Heston in "Touch of Evil" (1958)

Heston starred as Ramon Miguel Vargas in the 1958 crime film, a Mexican narcotics officer.
 
Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" (1961)

More caricature than character, Rooney starred as the buck-toothed, Japanese Mr. Yunioshi in the 1961 film, which has faced volumes of criticism since.

Natalie Wood in "West Side Story" (1961)

Wood plays a Puerto Rican teenager in the 1961 musical film, although she was Russian-American in real life.

Laurence Olivier in "Othello" (1965)

Not only did the white actor play a Moor in 1965's "Othello," he did so while wearing blackface.

Elvis Presley in "Stay Away, Joe" (1968)

The "Jailhouse Rock" singer played a Native American rodeo rider in the 1968 comedy Western. Along with this miscasting, many also criticized the film's use of stereotypes and offensive humor.

Peter Sellers in "The Party" (1968)       

The English actor wore brown face for his role as Hrundi V. Bakshi, an Indian actor, in the comedy film. "The Party" was also called out for its racist humor and perpetuating South Asian stereotypes.

Al Pacino in "Scarface" (1983) 

Pacino plays a Cuban gangster in the 1983 film, and many criticized his over-the-top accent as offensive.

Anthony Hopkins in "Mask of Zorro" (1998)

Welsh actor Hopkins starred as the Spanish Zorro, a.k.a. Don Diego de la Vega, in the 1998 film.

Rob Schneider in "50 First Dates" (2004)

Schneider seems to play a different ethnicity in every Adam Sandler movie. In "The Waterboy" he was the "You can do it!" guy, in "Big Daddy," he was a Middle-Eastern deliveryman, and in "50 First Dates," he plays a native Hawaiian. Badly.

Angelina Jolie in "A Mighty Heart" (2007)

In the 2007 drama film, Jolie plays Mariane Pearl, a real-life journalist of Afro-Chinese-Cuban descent, though the actress herself is of mixed-European descent.

Mike Myers in "The Love Guru" (2008)

Myers played an Indian-American guru in the roundly panned movie, in which he dressed up a lot of racist jokes in a terrible accent.

Every lede character in "21" (2008)

The movie follows a group of math students who come up with a card-counting strategy to win big in Vegas. While the movie had a predominantly white cast, the real-life MIT students were Asian American.

Jake Gyllenhaal in "Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time" (2010) 

Gyllenhaal plays a Middle Eastern prince in the film, which many called "insulting" and "the perfect example of whitewashing."

Ben Affleck in "Argo" (2012)

Affleck plays Mexican American Tony Mendez, a former CIA technical-operations officer whose life this film is based on.

Johnny Depp in "Lone Ranger" (2013)

Johnny Depp played a Native American in Disney's film, which sparked outrage among fans and critics despite the actor's claims that his great-grandmother had mostly Cherokee blood.

Benedict Cumberbatch in "Star Trek Into Darkness" (2013)

In this "Star Trek" installment, Cumberbatch plays villainous Khan Noonien Singh, a genetically engineered human from North India.

Rooney Mara in "Pan" (2015)

Mara was cast as Tiger Lily, a Native American, in the 2015 film based on the Peter Pan story.

Emma Stone in "Aloha" (2015)

Stone played a Chinese/Swedish/Hawaiian woman in this critically and commercially disappointing Cameron Crowe romantic comedy.

Juliette Binoche in "The 33" (2015)

Binoche plays a Chilean miner in the 2015 film, which is based on the real events of the 2010 mining disaster.

Scarlett Johansson in "Ghost in the Shell" (2017)

Scarlett Johansson, who consistently takes on roles for nonwhite actors, plays the Japanese lead in this lackluster film. Nevertheless, this miscasting sparked a larger conversation on Hollywood's whitewashing of Asian roles

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Reply #13 on: January 01, 2023, 06:54:30 AM
I get what you are saying PH, and I agree in that context, but I think the OP question is different. I don't think someone dressing in traditional ethnic attire means they are trying to pass themselves off as a member of that ethnic group.  It's the same as getting angry at a white woman for wearing corn rows.  That person is not trying to portray themselves as black.  My point is also that if that is cultural appropriation, then shouldn't a black woman dying her hair blond and straightening it also be considered cultural appropriation?  It's the same logic that says all white people are inherently racist.  And on the opposite side of that coin is that apparently disenfranchised people can't be racist.  Which is an inherently racist statement.



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Reply #14 on: January 01, 2023, 05:13:31 PM
Do you really think it matters Eddie?

Maybe if people stopped giving a shit about what other people think, we could just enjoy life a little bit more.

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Reply #15 on: January 01, 2023, 05:32:40 PM
It absolutely does not matter.  I just heard all this commotion about 1408 and wanted to see what happened.  Obviously, I haven't read all the posts in there but the ones I have looked at seem pretty tame to me.  Maybe it's because I'm just not easily offended. I'll check out more later.