Benghazi: Part Deux

[snowm]

So whenever a major event happens we should put every other past major event on hold? Do the democrats not have any hearings scheduled or are they all focused like a laser on the navy yard shooting?

You know we are on the sword of Damocles with the middle east, the fallout from Banghazi is still relevant to international events...

[Gina Marie]

the fallout from Banghazi is still relevant to international events...

Fallout, yes... witchhunt for blame on the black guy... yawn.

[Katiebee]

Please elucidate. What will these hearings do to make things inthe Middle East better?

Will they enhance intelligence gathering? Will they shorten reaction time?

It will these be much as Shakespeare said. "... A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[snowm]

You know we are on the sword of Damocles with the middle east, the fallout from Banghazi is still relevant to international events...

Please explain how we are "on" the Sword of Damocles, and the analogy you are attempting to draw from Cicero's anecdote, where the "middle east" is concerned.

You don't think we are walking a tight rope with a potential incident with Russia or complete chaos in the middle east that will have a profound impact in western economies?

You don't think we were close to dropping bombs on Syria is a spank you very much? That was all a show and Russia was just going to sit idly by and not react?

Thank you Gia for reminding me that anything said against the current administration is racist in nature, forgot. Luckily you are around to parrot that bullshit all over again.

Katie, while all relevant to our international policies they are not my concern here. My hopes are that the hearings will shed the light on the situation to see where the flaws occurred and next time our diplomats have a chance at survival. Do we know yet who gave the order to stand down? Does that jive with the handful of people that are actually cleared to give such an order?

[Gina Marie]

Thank you Gia for reminding me that anything said against the current administration is racist in nature, forgot. Luckily you are around to parrot that bullshit all over again.

You're very welcome... Luckily you are around to parrot Darryl Issa.

[Katiebee]

Again, you make an assumption in the situation that is not valid.

The nearest military help was at the closest, one to two hours away.

They weren't in sufficient size to materially contribute to safety or defense. At most they would have been additional targets.

If you can't get sufficient forces to the area in a timely manner you don't commit them.

And lastly, you really expect the partisan nature of these hearing to produce anything other than an effort to politically harass the administration?

They are not intended to produce anything useful.

[Janus]

Again, you make an assumption in the situation that is not valid.

The nearest military help was at the closest, one to two hours away.

They weren't in sufficient size to materially contribute to safety or defense. At most they would have been additional targets.

If you can't get sufficient forces to the area in a timely manner you don't commit them.

And lastly, you really expect the partisan nature of these hearing to produce anything other than an effort to politically harass the administration?

They are not intended to produce anything useful.

That may be true for the most part, however getting some clarity as to the full extent of the incident would be nice.

Also, if there was a Republican in the white house the Democrats would be doing the same thing.

[Katiebee]

I disagree that the hearings are in any way intended to clarify the situation. Their purpose is more like that of conspiracy theorists, and like the Birther bru-ha-ha, unconcerned with truth and reality.

 I strenuously disagree with your last statement. There is no extremist wing in the Democratic Party that is as singularly united and ideologically motivated like the Tea Party, nor does the Democratic Party have any unity of purpose against a sitting president  as the Republican Party has shown for the last 5 years.

[Janus]

I disagree with your last statement. There is no extremist wing in the Democratic Party that is as singularly united and ideologically motivated like the Tea Party, nor does the Democratic Party have any unity of purpose against a sitting president  as the Republican Party has shown for the last 5 years.

Hey, Don't blame the Republicans just because the Democrats cannot organize. 

[Katiebee]

Big brother hasn't been well received by the democrats, they are too individualistic.

[Lois]

I strenuously disagree with your last statement. There is no extremist wing in the Democratic Party that is as singularly united and ideologically motivated like the Tea Party, nor does the Democratic Party have any unity of purpose against a sitting president  as the Republican Party has shown for the last 5 years.

KB is quite right.  Show one instance where they have done so when they could have?  There was an investigation of the failures of 9-11, but once the findings were published (which were bi-partisan) they did not proceed with any further inquiries or shout "impeachment" and, for the most part, helped Bush in any way they could to fight the terrorist threat.

The outrage against Bush's failures were expressed, but outside of the halls of Congress and government.  No Democrats tried to stop the process of government.

[Gina Marie]

KB is quite right.  Show one instance where they have done so when they could have?  There was an investigation of the failures of 9-11, but once the findings were published (which were bi-partisan) they did not proceed with any further inquiries or shout "impeachment" and, for the most part, helped Bush in any way they could to fight the terrorist threat.

The outrage against Bush's failures were expressed, but outside of the halls of Congress and government.  No Democrats tried to stop the process of government.

[Katiebee]

Perhaps this will help you re-evaluate the Benghazi scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/v/GYL3UBvKUxc?

[snowm]

Perhaps this will help you re-evaluate the Benghazi scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/v/GYL3UBvKUxc?

It is the job of the us government to protect US soil from attack, they failed.

As to your previous comments about forces and such KB, not only were there forces available on the ground, air elements could have been sent in as well.

Will you next be posting a picture of the empty seats when all but two democrats in attendance left before the relatives of the victims gave their testimony? While their attendance was most likely just a dog and pony show, one would think there would be some non partisan extension of respect to them.

[Katiebee]

And what forces are you referring to? Ground force composition, and location, and air assets as well.

And no, the U.S. 6th Fleet was NOT in position to give that kind of infantry support in the time frame required. As to air assets, do really think that sending in fighters to bomb and strafe in a residential area of a friendly sovereign nation a wise thing to do?

[Gina Marie]

It must be tiring to have to be Melissa, Joan, petm4cock, and every other Fox Nation wing nut that's passed through the doors, snowm.

You have to respect them though... clinging to opinions based in 0.2% facts.

We're not interested in changing our minds about anything. This is simply bloodsport.

[Lois]

It is the job of the us government to protect US soil from attack, they failed.

And so have many other administrations, and much more spectacularly.

As to your previous comments about forces and such KB, not only were there forces available on the ground, air elements could have been sent in as well.

Not according to the experts in the US armed forces, which you would know if you watched the video or did anything other than listen to Faux News.

[Gina Marie]

And here's yer WOO Lois!

[snowm]

This is simply bloodsport.

Which is why this board is quickly becoming utterly useless in terms of a place to have a rational political discussion. You people want it to be monochromatic as to thought and belief and not the open accepting community that everyone espouses.

[Janus]

This is simply bloodsport.

Which is why this board is quickly becoming utterly useless in terms of a place to have a rational political discussion. You people want it to be monochromatic as to thought and belief and not the open accepting community that everyone espouses.

If that's the case then how are you still here to make this same post for the millionth or so time?

Because it is the same post for the millionth or so time...Same argument from each side. like a broken record. I would really like to see folks say one thing nihce about the party they hate.