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on: August 02, 2013, 07:49:31 PM
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01/exclusive-dozens-of-cia-operatives-on-the-ground-during-benghazi-attack/

Clearly all is not what it seems. Someone needs to stand up and question why our government, all of them not just the guy in the biggest chair, did not have the foresight to pull back at embassies in the middle east on an anniversary of 9-11 but will do so for unnamed terrorist threats. unreal.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-embassies-close-sunday-amid-terrorist-threat/story?id=19845743



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Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 09:40:34 PM



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Reply #2 on: August 02, 2013, 09:44:26 PM
I believe it's called "keeping up appearances".  Back in September of 2011, it was important to maintain the appearance that there were no problems or threats to the US in Libya, no matter how many holes had been blown in the security wall, and how many requests were made for increased security and no matter how much Ambassador Stevens emphasized that he felt like he had a target on his back.   (Plus, there was campaigning to be done and all other sorts of important stuff.)

Well, now it's important to maintain the appearance that "Of COURSE we're looking out for our diplomatic staff and all our nationals in other countries."  Because, well, there's another election gearing up.  Can't go risking any phony scandals, now can we?


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Reply #3 on: August 02, 2013, 09:46:21 PM

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Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
I think it was snowm who posted something similar to this a couple of weeks ago.  (No, I'm not Peter Ruggeiri.)


http://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/20130802-peter-a.-ruggieri-how-to-disappear-from-media-s-radar.ece


Peter A. Ruggieri: How to disappear from media's radar


A good friend of mine just informed me that George Zimmerman changed his name to Ben Ghazi. In doing so, the Obama Administration and the mainstream media will never mention his name again.

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Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 11:11:48 PM
Very interesting how additional parties are now actually saying the words, speaking of the Benghazi incident, and the coverups involved.

People who were there, whose names are not released as 'secret' are being subjected to 'Mr. Sparky' as frequently as monthly, maybe some ever greater frequency, to attempt to control information. Meanwhile, NSA is being helpful, am sure, in tapping phones where CIA may be not allowed, or FBI not allowed.

Was the Obama Administration dealing in untraceable arms for unknown rebels in Syria? Facilitating sale from one illegal Libyan Muslim group, to another illegal, unaccountable, Muslim group in Syria? How many of these weapons have been found in Gaza?

Is it all the fault of Israel, if the damn Zionists would just go back to their 1967 indefensible borders, geez. What was Hillary's knowledge about arming Muslim extremists, against the explicit demand of the Congress? Where did the funding come from? Iran-Contra anyone?

If Republicans had a spine, we would already have these answers!
So it is the Republicans fault (note it is never Obama's fault, and only rarely any Democrat's fault, as we all know).

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Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 11:12:16 PM
Gia, I know you are smarter than a turtle keeping your head in its shell but cia ops on the ground in what appears to be an effort to have armed the revolution is important to understand. You know the revolution that was in turn overthrown by the country's military?

I am not saying heads in the administration need to roll. I seriously doubt anyone in the Obama administration had anything to do with it. Our government is apparently arming revolutionaries then submitting our own CIA operatives to monthly polygraph tests to be sure they are not talking. Simply put this needs to be looked in. It shouldn't be a partisan issue. It should be an our govt is far overreaching its role in the world and we need it to stop.



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Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 11:25:34 PM
Was the Obama Administration dealing in untraceable arms for unknown rebels in Syria? Facilitating sale from one illegal Libyan Muslim group, to another illegal, unaccountable, Muslim group in Syria? How many of these weapons have been found in Gaza?

Is it all the fault of Israel, if the damn Zionists would just go back to their 1967 indefensible borders, geez. What was Hillary's knowledge about arming Muslim extremists, against the explicit demand of the Congress? Where did the funding come from? Iran-Contra anyone?

If Republicans had a spine, we would already have these answers!
So it is the Republicans fault (note it is never Obama's fault, and only rarely any Democrat's fault, as we all know).

WE NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWER!
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Reply #8 on: August 02, 2013, 11:31:53 PM
That whole "polygraph of the month club" makes these guys look friendly.


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Reply #9 on: August 02, 2013, 11:39:49 PM
Well, we could call upon the ghost of Allende to see about CIA involvement in revolutions.

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Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 01:53:59 AM
Well, we could call upon the ghost of Allende to see about CIA involvement in revolutions.
doesn't excuse doing it now, nor does it excuse covering up the death of an ambassador who may or may not have been involved with the weapons.

No GB, it isn't really in the news. CNN ran one article, one special, then it will all be over and we can go back to talking about Kim Kardashian's ass and what Michelle Obama is wearing today or how tight her arms are, that's what's really important.



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Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 02:26:28 AM
Funny how it's been mentioned on here regularly and often for almost 2 years, despite how it's not in the news.


If you were murdered and no one was brought to justice (and apparently there wasn't a whole hell of a lot of investigation by the people who SHOULD have been leading the investigation), would there be an expiration date for when people should stop talking about it?  
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Reply #12 on: August 03, 2013, 04:07:40 AM
When shit is all there is, it matters whose shit is ascendent.
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Reply #13 on: August 03, 2013, 04:09:27 AM
Funny how it's been mentioned on here regularly and often for almost 2 years, despite how it's not in the news.


If you were murdered and no one was brought to justice (and apparently there wasn't a whole hell of a lot of investigation by the people who SHOULD have been leading the investigation), would there be an expiration date for when people should stop talking about it?  

If I was murdered I'd rather my family be allowed to grieve than my murder be used for political leverage. I would like to see justice served of course but what justice is there to be found through partisan shit flinging?

That would be fine if that's what the families wanted.  But THE FAMILIES want answers from the administration and all they're getting is crickets and deflection.  Even Special Ops Vets, thousands of them, have signed a petition calling for the administration to stop avoiding the situation.

So, if the family doesn't want to just "roll over and grieve" that's THEIR right, isn't it?  

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Reply #14 on: August 03, 2013, 04:10:40 AM

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Reply #15 on: August 03, 2013, 04:21:07 AM
Fuck me. September 2011? And this is still in the news?

By the way, it was September 11, (2012), not September 2011.  Less than one year ago.  (I thought something didn't sound right when I was answering earlier about "not being brought to justice".)

What I find especially funny is, in June, according to Jay Carney, Benghazi was "a long time ago".  Yet, Newtown, which was only 4 months later, was "yesterday" almost every day.  Convenient how the uncomfortable topics are "ages" ago, but the ones the President wants to politicize are ever fresh in the administration's memory.  (Then again, look how quickly he ditched them.)

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Reply #16 on: August 03, 2013, 04:32:19 AM
Rank hyperbole.

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Reply #17 on: August 03, 2013, 06:51:47 AM
When shit us all there is, it matters whose shit is ascendent.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proofread?s=t
Oh my. You tried and failed again.
What you were trying to say was edit. Proofread is what an editor does and gives back to a writer with markups for correction.

What is so terribly sad is that you went to a dictionary site that had the definition of the word, but you either failed to read the definition, or you failed to comprehend the definition.

You do get a silver star for effort.

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Reply #18 on: August 03, 2013, 12:13:19 PM
When shit us all there is, it matters whose shit is ascendent.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proofread?s=t
Oh my. You tried and failed again.
What you were trying to say was edit. Proofread is what an editor does and gives back to a writer with markups for correction.

What is so terribly sad is that you went to a dictionary site that had the definition of the word, but you either failed to read the definition, or you failed to comprehend the definition.

You do get a silver star for effort.

Proofreading is what one would also do to their own work before hitting the "Post" button, especially when it's only twelve words.

At this point, I must say, I pity the editor who had to proofread the textbooks you claim to have written.  Now, THERE'S a person who was definitely underpaid. 

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Reply #19 on: August 03, 2013, 03:00:26 PM
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/op_ed/2013/08/no_benghazi_justice_is_scandal


No Benghazi justice is scandal

Friday, August 2, 2013
By Peter Brookes
Following the attacks on our Benghazi consulate almost a year ago, President Obama said in a radio interview that “my biggest priority now is bringing those folks to justice, and I think the American people have seen that’s a commitment I’ll always keep.”

Of course, he never did tell us when that might occur.

Worse, he’s dubbed congressional inquiries into the attack — where four brave Americans died at the hands of al-Qaeda-linked terrorists — a “phony scandal,” according to his press secretary.

Scandal. Phony scandal. Call it what you like.

The fact is the terrorists who assaulted our consulate and killed Americans (after we helped liberate Libya) haven’t been punished for their bloody acts after almost a year.

That’s outrageous.

The searing question is: Why hasn’t the prez kept his promise to hunt down the killers, especially since we seem to have a pretty good idea about who some of them are, according to pictures posted on the FBI’s website?

There are likely a number of reasons for the troubling delay in bringing these terrorists to justice. None of them is comforting.

To start, the White House doesn’t really want to see this as a “terror” attack. Remember how they fumbled the initial reporting of the tragedy with misleading talking points about an anti-Muslim video?

Sending in Special Forces in an Osama bin Laden-like raid or vaporizing the Libyan terrorists with a missile from a drone would highlight to the American people that Benghazi was an act of al-Qaeda terrorism.

Rather, it seems Team Obama wants to treat this as a law enforcement matter. The FBI is the lead, not the Pentagon or the CIA. It’s possible they’d prefer to arrest the killers and try them in a U.S. court than make them suffer a fate like those four Americans did.

(Take note: The law enforcement approach to al-Qaeda in the 1990s is one of the factors that led to 9/11.)

The White House may hope that after a thorough investigation, the FBI will hand the bad actors’ names to the Libyans who will then go out and apprehend said suspects and turn them over to the Americans.

Of course, after 11 months it appears that a CNN reporter has spent more time interviewing the main suspect, a leader of Ansar al Sharia, than the FBI or the Libyan security services.

Unfortunately, the Libyan government is little more than a mirage, the security services are weak (at best) and the militias run the place, especially in Benghazi. The chances of the Libyans nabbing the suspects anytime soon are remote — at best.

Besides the devastating effect this has on the families who deserve justice for the loss of their loved ones, it sends a message to Islamist militants everywhere: You can attack us with impunity.

I think we can all agree that’s an image we shouldn’t be projecting in Libya — or anywhere else.

Peter Brookes is a Heritage Foundation senior fellow and a former deputy assistant secretary of defense.

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