Federal Judge wants firing squads

[phtlc]

If there is 100% proof that the person is guilty....................

And there lies the problem

[coacheric]

If there is 100% proof that the person is guilty....................

And there lies the problem

Explain why this guy should live?

Ronald Haskell faces capital murder charges after he allegedly killed six of his former spouse's relatives, including four children whose ages range from 4 to 13. He was taken out of the courtroom in a wheelchair after he collapsed Friday. The lone survivor, Cassidy Stay, 15, was released from the hospital Friday

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alleged-shooter-killed-2-adults-4-kids-texas-collapses-court-article-1.1863291#ixzz38aM66Fuj


And please remember that if you don't know the story or want to read it, this is the same story with the 15 year old girl who was shot in the back of the head execution style by her own UNCLE and left for dead.



I'm done with this topic and for one reason only. You will never change my mind about how I feel about this and I will never change your mind about your feelings. I had my fun and I've let everyone see where I stand on it, done....moving on

[phtlc]

If there is 100% proof that the person is guilty....................

And there lies the problem

Explain why this guy should live?
 

I can't and I never tried to. My comment pertained to the fact that there is always the risk that someone who is innocent may be executed and I am uncomfortable with that.


Do I think that guy should live? No, but then I don't want that decision to be in my hands for exactly that reason. Like yourself I look at horrible crimes with a visceral desire for vengeance against the perpetrator, and as gratifying as that would be I still don't think that is a decision that we as a society should be making.

[phtlc]

I will never change your mind about your feelings.

Why do you assume that? Many of the arguments in 1408 have at least made me reconsider my positions on certain issues.

[phtlc]

The problem is your viewpoint will never be adopted, or even acknowledged as valid, by anyone else!

Why not? One of the things I enjoy about a good debate is that I tend not to look at it from a winning vs losing perspective. Either I educate someone or I get educated. Some people usually tie their ego to their positions and pull out all stops to win a debate even when deep down they know they are wrong but every once in awhile here I see a good debate where at least a few people re-evaluate their position.

[watcher1]

Why not? One of the things I enjoy about a good debate is that I tend not to look at it from a winning vs losing perspective. Either I educate someone or I get educated. Some people usually tie their ego to their positions and pull out all stops to win a debate even when deep down they know they are wrong but every once in awhile here I see a good debate where at least a few people re-evaluate their position.

WOO.  That is the way I look at any thread in 1408, Politics or General Discussion.

[watcher1]

Posting in 1408, for me, is absolutely a learning experience. I'm interested in people. I like seeing how their minds work. I like teasing out ideas just to see where people bring them, myself included. In my time on KB I've learned an awful lot about other people and how they think, both in terms of general archetypes and on a more individual level, but the most valuable area in which my knowledge has hugely expanded is the reasons why I believe in my own personal values and principles. That is by far the main reason why I post in 1408 and why I value the opportunity to do so.

GB, same with me.  There are a few others here who also like tossing out ideas to see what type of responses they get back.

[MissBarbara]

Posting in 1408, for me, is absolutely a learning experience. I'm interested in people. I like seeing how their minds work. I like teasing out ideas just to see where people bring them, myself included. In my time on KB I've learned an awful lot about other people and how they think, both in terms of general archetypes and on a more individual level, but the most valuable area in which my knowledge has hugely expanded is the reasons why I believe in my own personal values and principles. That is by far the main reason why I post in 1408 and why I value the opportunity to do so.

I agree completely.

Like GB, the discussions I've had in 1408 have helped me re-think my positions, hone my arguments, and focus my thinking, among many other things.

I couldn't care less about changing someone else's mind. But I have changed my mind on issues based on things I've read in 1408, or, ore often, based on responses I've read to my posts in 1408. And more than a few times.

It's far and away my favorite part of the Board. Yes, some of the topics there have hundreds and hundreds of responses, with many of the arguments repeated many times. But each new visitor to those threads who posts in the spirit of the threads has something to day, an insight to share, or an opinion to offer -- and the fact that it might have been said 218 posts earlier is utterly beside the point.

Great post, GB!

[Lois]

Not really. My thoughts are an eye for an eye. Done and done.

Ah, that's Sharia Law!  And yes, both Sharia Law and the Mosaic Code (Bible -Old Testament) are based upon Hammurabi's Code.

If you want to remove the "animals" from human society, "life in prison without possibility of parole" works equally well and it is much cheaper.

We spend LOTS of money on appeals for the condemned, because as Toe points out, we get it wrong a sometimes.  Perhaps we should not worry so much about this and just accept the deaths of the innocent as collateral damage.  Certainly countries like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia don't worry about killing off innocents in their quest for order. As for law, who needs any stinking laws?

[Katiebee]

The rule of law is about seeking justice. Not in being proven right or getting revenge.

[phtlc]

Posting in 1408, for me, is absolutely a learning experience. I'm interested in people. I like seeing how their minds work. I like teasing out ideas just to see where people bring them, myself included. In my time on KB I've learned an awful lot about other people and how they think, both in terms of general archetypes and on a more individual level, but the most valuable area in which my knowledge has hugely expanded is the reasons why I believe in my own personal values and principles. That is by far the main reason why I post in 1408 and why I value the opportunity to do so.

you're completely right


But seriously, I wish I had said it as well as that.

[Katiebee]

You can. Copy it and after about 20 more posts present it as your own. There is no penalty for plagiarism here.

[Janus]

The ease in which convictions are reached in this country, makes it a field day for appeals and convictions overturned. (though it can take years to do)If the prosecution had an ironclad case, not using circumstantial evidence. If the judge used the law to hand down justice and not try to go beyond specified guidelines for sentencing. It really does appear that the prosecution, the Judge and even the defense are all in cahoots with each other instead of representing there respective parties.

When trying and convicting a "capital case" perhaps it would be best to pass on going for the death penalty if there is any possibility that the accused may not have committed the crime.

I've seen cases where detectives and prosecution create shit to get a conviction. I live in a NON death penalty state. I believe that this is way more common than folks believe.

Just one clear example; Lansing Community College professor Carolyn Kronenberg was found murdered in a classroom.

(May 13, 2010)
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/99999999/NEWS01/81224020/Prosecutor-apologizes-Claude-McCollum

The real Killer... Mathew Macon;
http://www.wilx.com/home/headlines/18677229.html

[Lois]

Yikes!

Was he found guilty and sent to jail?

[kelly-aus]

firing squads should be bought back in and the first customers should be a few judges 

[Scotty]

I like this judge > if yr gonna kill someone make it quick and sure