Chicago: "bullet-scarred"

[Sensualtravler]

Nothing does more to call into question the validity of an argument than to withhold the source of the information. You might as well put a banner across the top that says "Don't Believe Anything You Read Here".

DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ BELOW -- ALL STATISTICS ARE MADE UP AND INACCURATE

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.

More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.

– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

Critics argue that black people are overrepresented in these figures because they only represent 13% of the population, but they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders. In other words, you would expect the number of blacks and whites killed by police to be roughly equal given that they commit a roughly equal number of violent crimes, but that’s not the case. Whites are nearly 100% more likely to be victims.

And what about black on white violence in general?

– FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white.

“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”

It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be. If the 911 calls are coming from black areas and are related to black people committing violent crimes, then of course black people are more likely to be involved in violent confrontations with cops.

Does that justify police brutality in cases such as Freddie Gray, Walter Scott or Eric Garner? No. But it does demolish the ‘Black Lives Matter’ narrative that the general trend of black people being victims of violent encounters with police is solely down to the fact that cops are racist towards black people. Racism is a factor, but the statistics clearly show that it’s by no means the only factor, and some would argue not even the dominant factor.

But aren’t all these statistics undermined by the fact that black people are unfairly targeted and framed for crimes by police officers in the first place? Don’t higher arrest and conviction rates of blacks merely prove that police are racist? This argument is debunked by looking at the proportion of offenders identified – not by police – but by victims – as black. The National Crime Victimization Survey shows that the number of blacks arrested generally correlates with the number of offenders identified as black by victims.

Anybody who posts an argument based entirely on statistical measurements, who then fails to identify the source of the underlying data is a complete moron.

Nothing does more to call into question the validity of an argument than to withhold the source of the information. You might as well put a banner across the top that says "Don't Believe Anything You Read Here".

DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ BELOW -- ALL STATISTICS ARE MADE UP AND INACCURATE

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.

More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.

– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

Critics argue that black people are over represented in these figures because they only represent 13% of the population, but they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders. In other words, you would expect the number of blacks and whites killed by police to be roughly equal given that they commit a roughly equal number of violent crimes, but that’s not the case. Whites are nearly 100% more likely to be victims.

And what about black on white violence in general?

– FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white.

“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”

It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be. If the 911 calls are coming from black areas and are related to black people committing violent crimes, then of course black people are more likely to be involved in violent confrontations with cops.

Does that justify police brutality in cases such as Freddie Gray, Walter Scott or Eric Garner? No. But it does demolish the ‘Black Lives Matter’ narrative that the general trend of black people being victims of violent encounters with police is solely down to the fact that cops are racist towards black people. Racism is a factor, but the statistics clearly show that it’s by no means the only factor, and some would argue not even the dominant factor.

But aren’t all these statistics undermined by the fact that black people are unfairly targeted and framed for crimes by police officers in the first place? Don’t higher arrest and conviction rates of blacks merely prove that police are racist? This argument is debunked by looking at the proportion of offenders identified – not by police – but by victims – as black. The National Crime Victimization Survey shows that the number of blacks arrested generally correlates with the number of offenders identified as black by victims.

Anybody who posts an argument based entirely on statistical measurements, who then fails to identify the source of the underlying data is a complete moron.

Did you not notice, or completely ignore more likely, the references included in the article? Or do you not recognize official DOJ and FBI references now?

[Lois]

So white people are more likely to get away with such crimes?  Sounds about right.

Did you also know that black people are more likely to get longer prison sentences than whites?  Are you aware that innocent black people are more likely to be sent to prison for crimes they did not commit?

Statistics don't tell the whole story.  Whites collectively suffer from "affluenza".

[Sensualtravler]

Fuck off with using a source that cherry picks statistics in a single quote.

Is that better?

#Resist

I wasn't aware the DOJ and FBI cherry picked their stats. Do you have evidence they do? Please inform us peons of your evidence please.

[Northwest]

Did you not notice, or completely ignore more likely, the references included in the article? Or do you not recognize official DOJ and FBI references now?

Who authored the article? Is it Alex Jones? I wouldn't believe him if he quoted Jesus. Just because someone CLAIMS to quote official statistics doesn't make them true, accurate or correct. If it's a serious analysis, then it will contain links to the sources IN ALL CASES. Maybe  you never had to write a term paper, but have you never read a Wikipedia page and seen how it's done?

Honestly, Sensualtravler, did you make it out of high school? This is really, really basic stuff.

First you should directly link to the article (in this case Infowars), and secondly, if you want the data to be taken seriously, either your source had better be absolutely trustworthy and unimpeachable (Infowars fails completely in this regard), or the individual statistics should be sourced (with links to the data sources).

And, finally, since you have made nearly a thousand posts on this forum, it's pretty damn silly that any of us should have to point out to you that when you quote an article, you need to include a link to it.

[Sensualtravler]

So white people are more likely to get away with such crimes?  Sounds about right.

Did you also know that black people are more likely to get longer prison sentences than whites?  Are you aware that innocent black people are more likely to be sent to prison for crimes they did not commit?

Statistics don't tell the whole story.  Whites collectively suffer from "affluenza".

There was nothing in the statements that indicated that whites get away with crime more so than blacks do Lois, although I will agree there is a travesty of justice between sentences handed down that needs to be addressed.
Affluence of the wealthy also needs to be addressed. Just look at political figures that get away with multiple crime. Dare I mention Hillary?

[Athos_131]

Fuck off with using a source that doesn't include the entire statistical quote.

Fuck off with using a source that has a link that doesn't verify its quote.

#Resist

[Sensualtravler]

Did you not notice, or completely ignore more likely, the references included in the article? Or do you not recognize official DOJ and FBI references now?

Who authored the article? Is it Alex Jones? I wouldn't believe him if he quoted Jesus. Just because someone CLAIMS to quote official statistics doesn't make them true, accurate or correct. If it's a serious analysis, then it will contain links to the sources IN ALL CASES. Maybe  you never had to write a term paper, but have you never read a Wikipedia page and seen how it's done?

Honestly, Sensualtravler, did you make it out of high school? This is really, really basic stuff.

First you should directly link to the article (in this case Infowars), and secondly, if you want the data to be taken seriously, either your source had better be absolutely trustworthy and unimpeachable (Infowars fails completely in this regard), or the individual statistics should be sourced (with links to the data sources).

And, finally, since you have made nearly a thousand posts on this forum, it's pretty damn silly that any of us should have to point out to you that when you quote an article, you need to include a link to it.

If you're so anxious to discredit the article, resource it yourself. lol

[Sensualtravler]

Fuck off with using a source that either doesn't include the entire statistical quote.

Fuck off with using a source that has a link that doesn't verify its quote.

#Resist

LOL..Calm down Athos before you give yourself a stroke.

[Athos_131]

Dare I mention Hillary?

You keep using that argument, I do not think it means what you think it means.

You mention her so much I wouldn't be surprised if you'd written some threesome fan fiction involving yourself and President Clinton.

#Resist

[Northwest]

I wasn't aware the DOJ and FBI cherry picked their stats. Do you have evidence they do? Please inform us peons of your evidence please.

No, you're right.

The FBI and Dept of Justice have also noted that you hate black people because of the impressive penises that blacks often sport (also noting that your penis is the size of a peanut). I kid you not. It's on their official site. It's an official statistic, and the FBI and DOJ never lie.

The DOJ and FBI reported this. It has to be true. They don't lie.

(Keep rereading the section above until you understand the point I'm making. If you still can't get it after ten or twenty readings, have someone else read it and explain it to you.)

[Athos_131]

LOL..Calm down Athos before you give yourself a stroke.

Sorry, I get upset at the fact you are wasting bandwidth.

#Resist

[Sensualtravler]

Dare I mention Hillary?

You keep using that argument, I do not think it means what you think it means.

You mention her so much I wouldn't be surprised if you'd written some threesome fan fiction involving yourself and President Clinton.

#Resist

LOL...No pigs allowed at my troff.

[Sensualtravler]

LOL..Calm down Athos before you give yourself a stroke.

Sorry, I get upset at the fact you are wasting bandwidth.

#Resist

According to you. smile

[Northwest]

If you're so anxious to discredit the article, resource it yourself. lol

I did. That's how I found the stuff about you being afraid of blacks, and having a tiny penis. It's on the DOJ website. It's on another website I found too, but I'm not going to tell you which one (just like you didn't tell us where you data came from).

[Katiebee]

The incidence of crime committed by blacks can correlate directly with education, income, and a history of discrimination that spans generations.

That does not excuse criminal activity, it explains why it occurs.

[Lois]

Affluence of the wealthy also needs to be addressed. Just look at political figures that get away with multiple crime. Dare I mention Hillary?

LOL! And you read Alex Jones' InfoWars?  So what crimes did Hillary get away with?  No doubt you believe she was running out a child pedo ring out of a certain Pizza Parlor's basement.  The problem is the Pizza Parlor in question did not even have a basement.
 

[Sensualtravler]

If you're so anxious to discredit the article, resource it yourself. lol

I did. That's how I found the stuff about you being afraid of blacks, and having a tiny penis. It's on the DOJ website. It's on another website I found too, but I'm not going to tell you which one (just like you didn't tell us where you data came from).

I finally found out what makes you tick NW. Insulting opposing disagreeing thoughts. The fact you came to the unfounded conjecture I'm fearful of someone because of the color of their pigmentation of they're skin tells me a lot about you. People that do so are usually shown to be racist themselves by diverting the accusations to others (such as Democrats). As far as my penis goes, why are you obsessing about my penis? Penis envy NW?
Glad you found the site. So why are you still arguing if you found the site and read what the DOJ and FBI has said?

[Sensualtravler]

Affluence of the wealthy also needs to be addressed. Just look at political figures that get away with multiple crime. Dare I mention Hillary?

LOL! And you read Alex Jones' InfoWars?  So what crimes did Hillary get away with?  No doubt you believe she was running out a child pedo ring out of a certain Pizza Parlor's basement.  The problem is the Pizza Parlor in question did not even have a basement.
 

Pizza Parlor's basement?! I heard it was HER house because of the number of young girls panties found under Bills bed. Closer to the truth, wouldn't you agree?

[Northwest]

I finally found out what makes you tick NW. Insulting opposing disagreeing thoughts. The fact you came to the unfounded conjecture I'm fearful of someone because of the color of their pigmentation of they're skin tells me a lot about you. People that do so are usually shown to be racist themselves by diverting the accusations to others (such as Democrats). As far as my penis goes, why are you obsessing about my penis? Penis envy NW?
Glad you found the site. So why are you still arguing if you found the site and read what the DOJ and FBI has said?

I have yet to see you link to a source, Sensualtravler. I presumed that Athos got it right, but I hadn't been to check until just a minute ago. Some of the Infowars author's statistics are sourced, and some of them aren't. If I wanted to be nit picky, I'd go after him for some of his liberties (you don't claim to quote FBI statistics, but then link to a Pat Buchanan article where he quotes the FBI statistics WITHOUT PROVIDING A LINK), but I'm tired of this topic.

But you miss the broader point. It's okay, I'll spoon feed it to you.

My obviously silly and made up aspersions against your character (tiny penis, afraid of blacks) have something in common with your posts in this thread. They had exactly as much backup and support as anything you said in this thread -- which is none. What Altos discovered after the fact is immaterial (or rather, he gets the credit -- not you). If you are going to quote an article, provide a link. Whenever you fail to do that, then the argument is going to be about your failures, and not the topic you wanted to discuss.

Did you see anybody challenging me when I pointed out that nine out of ten states with the worst gun crime were red states? Of course not; the source of the information was there out in the open for everyone to see, and they had the means and the option to challenge, integrate, analyze or critique it as they wished.

Or maybe you like getting beat up, in which case you should just continue as you have in the past. Up to you. If you next article comes without sourcing I'll probably jump on you again.

[GEMINIGUY]

This is all Joan's fault!