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Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 03:51:08 PM

Just some thoughts; take or leave as you please.

Part of the reason it may seem like a big deal *may* be a difference in the way the act is viewed.  If she is very relational about sex (i.e. where sex is a reinforcement of the relationship between you two, perhaps even more so than a physical venture), then toy/anal play may feel to her like a departure from that.  That *may* also help explain the 'are you gay' questions: since anal play is something associated with gay relationships, she may be making that connection.

If that's at all in the ballpark, maybe reinforce that you love having *her* do that?  That it's a marriage of two aspects of sex: the positive sensations from anal play (hello prostrate!) and the intimacy between you two.



Great points, Partner!

(Though I can't restrain myself from pointing out the whole prostrate vs. prostate thing. Then again, I can imagine how it probably would be best for you to be prostrate when she's stimulating your prostate...)

One aspect of this you see again and again, both on KB and elsewhere, is people attaching meanings -- and labels -- to sexual desires that lie outside "the mainstream." And this is the one you see more than any other: if a man enjoys, or at least enjoys fantasizing about, something that's normally considered "gay" (e.g. anal penetration), does that mean he's "gay"?

One of the most important things I've learned from this board is that you should like what you like, regardless of what it might "mean." Of course, this becomes much trickier in the context of a relationship. But, I think, the mere fact that you have these desires should not stand as an obstacle.

Janus can speak to this much more than I can, but perhaps your fear of her asking "are you gay" has more to do with your relationship than sex. This is a pure guess, but perhaps she might fear that, if you are gay, you might leave her for another man. I can't offer you any specific advice on how to approach your wife in these areas, but perhaps reassuring her that your desires would have no effect on your relationship might be one aspect you should consider.

At the same time -- and and I know this is something you don't want to hear -- you have to recognize, as Eric alluded to above, that there might be some lines that some women just won't cross, or some areas that some women just won't explore. It has nothing to do with how much she loves you or with the strength of your relationship. She just can't do it. And, unfortunately for you, you just have to accept that.





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Reply #21 on: March 08, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
I'm bi-sexual, and after being with my husband for several years, he finally admitted to being bi-sexual himself (I'd always had my suspicions), however it has made me question if he is more than that after conversations I have had with him. I have absolutely no problems him being bi, and have tried new things in the bedroom to accommodate this, even suggested him being with a guy, or a 3some, but he isn't that interested atm. I am very open minded, so finding this out was not an issue to me, the bit I found worst was him having kept the secret for so long, even though he knew I'd accept it



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Reply #22 on: March 08, 2013, 04:49:38 PM
, the bit I found worst was him having kept the secret for so long, even though he knew I'd accept it

"Hey honey, I also like cock" is a little hard for a guy to say to his wife, even if shes more open than most



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Reply #23 on: March 08, 2013, 05:30:02 PM
Lol, I get that, and I get it was a big deal for him. But I had opened up the conversation to him on many previous occasions, guess he wasn't ready, but its not a big deal anyways :)



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Reply #24 on: March 08, 2013, 05:36:09 PM
This is an article I found on the topic. It's from a ladies point of view who wants her partners to allow her to play with their ass......

Perhaps you could show her the article?

http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-10-04/girl-talk-on-straight-men-and-anal-play/

In a recent Vice article, straight man, Dave Schilling, called anal sex “the first stop on the Save My Relationship World Tour.” And he’s not just talking about giving, he’s talking about receiving as well:
“On more than one occasion, a woman has asked me if I wanted to do ‘butt stuff’ when it became clear that coitus wasn’t cutting it anymore. Assplay is a logical next step in a male/female sexual relationship. It’s taboo; it’s still kind of like standard heterosexual fucking since it’s also about putting something inside a hole and most importantly, the difficulty level is high … Sometimes, when all hope seems to be lost and the world is shrouded in darkness, my female sexual partner will ask to give rather than receive.”
Shilling goes on to talk about being on the receiving end of fingering, ass licking, random object insertion, pegging (which is when a woman fucks a man with a strap-on dildo) and, the mother load, having another man fuck him in the ass while his lady watches.
Although Shilling doesn’t seem to be particularly excited or turned on about engaging in any of these acts — actually, I get the impression he’s never been pegged or had anal sex with another man — I appreciate that he’s willing to discuss the topic of straight men and anal play. Because he’s suggesting a new way to look at assplay — not as this thing that only gay men (or closeted gay men) enjoy, but as the next frontier for heterosexual couples who are looking to expand their repertoire.
I would take that a bit further and and say that anal play is the next frontier in bedroom equality. I’ll explain what I mean by that in a moment. But first: confession time. I have a little bit of a pegging fantasy. I’ve never actually tried it (and I’m not sure yet if I want to or if it’s just a fantasy), but I use the suggestion as a litmus test for my sexual partners. I tell them I’d like to fuck them up the ass with a strap-on and then I just wait and see how they respond. The younger, less experienced men tend to respond with an immediate, “Hell no.” The wiser, more experienced tend to be more open, although not thrilled by the idea. There was one man who genuinely liked the idea and one who good-naturedly agreed. “Well, I guess it’s only fair,” he replied with a smile. He’s my current S.O, for a number of reasons, but partially because I liked his answer.
I don’t know if the act of pegging or any anal play with a man turns me on as much as his willingness to try it. Getting back to my definition of bedroom equality, I should tell you that I have received all the above mentioned acts, but only ever given a finger in the ass. I find this disheartening because the anus is an equal opportunity employer. Aside from the whole “assplay makes you gay” taboo, which is just stupid, why is it any more fair for me to endure the fear and/or discomfort of a taking a dick in my ass? It’s not. Smart men know that you get what you give. Chances are, in my experience, he wants to get up in my asshole. If that’s the case, it’s only sexually egalitarian for him to be willing to let me get up in his.
Equal asshole vulnerability. That’s what I stand for! It’s a concept I like in theory, I’m not entirely sure yet how it works in practice. Although, my Utopian dream is that this bedroom equality translates to the rest of the relationship. We can take turns taking out the trash, washing dishes, and planning dates. For now, my boyfriend and I have fingered each other’s assholes and if he wants to do more (which I know he does), he’ll have to bend over and spread ‘em too.



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Reply #25 on: March 08, 2013, 06:51:13 PM
Perhaps for a female it is the same progression they feel is in play with toys. A toy is usually viewed as a substitute for the real thing. If a guy says he wants ass play with a toy then perhaps the female partner is assuming he would prefer the real thing...



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Reply #26 on: March 08, 2013, 06:59:01 PM
Perhaps for a female it is the same progression they feel is in play with toys. A toy is usually viewed as a substitute for the real thing. If a guy says he wants ass play with a toy then perhaps the female partner is assuming he would prefer the real thing...
I think that you are precisely on point with that comment. It is a level of discomfort to be sure....No pun intended there either.



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Reply #27 on: March 08, 2013, 07:20:55 PM
oh yeah,, had that conversation with the wife when I introduced her to giving rather than receiving.  But I assured her I am deff. as straight as possible (I'm a bit bent in other ways).  It's not a gay thing, it's a "that feels good" thing.



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Reply #28 on: March 08, 2013, 09:36:18 PM
oh yeah,, had that conversation with the wife when I introduced her to giving rather than receiving.  But I assured her I am deff. as straight as possible (I'm a bit bent in other ways).  It's not a gay thing, it's a "that feels good" thing.

I totally understand where you're coming from.  I have no interest in guys, but pegging is one of the bigger fantasies of mine at the moment.  Something about watching a woman "take her turn" is incredibly erotic to me.



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Reply #29 on: March 08, 2013, 09:37:41 PM
(Though I can't restrain myself from pointing out the whole prostrate vs. prostate thing. Then again, I can imagine how it probably would be best for you to be prostrate when she's stimulating your prostate...)


Heh.  Early morning posting when I'm still bleary-eyed is bound to have a few typos.  I just laugh at 'em too, so feel free to chuckle.   :emot_kiss:



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Reply #30 on: March 08, 2013, 10:25:56 PM
oh yeah,, had that conversation with the wife when I introduced her to giving rather than receiving.  But I assured her I am deff. as straight as possible (I'm a bit bent in other ways).  It's not a gay thing, it's a "that feels good" thing.

I totally understand where you're coming from.  I have no interest in guys, but pegging is one of the bigger fantasies of mine at the moment.  Something about watching a woman "take her turn" is incredibly erotic to me.

One word of caution Partner.  Dont try it when she's mad at you.  This is no time for a grudge fuck :emot_weird:



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Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 04:18:23 AM
LOL.   :emot_laughing:

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Reply #32 on: March 22, 2013, 09:17:46 PM

I could be wrong, but it always seemed to me that women tended to more often be bi-curious than men.

I assumed that this is due to the diff. in sex itself.  For a female to even have intercourse she must be willing to accept an invasion of herself, and thus, must be more open and accepting.

Dead On....
Gay males are still not or less accepted than Lesbains in our society.
Being curious and female may come naturally because of our closeness to each other.
That same thing in a male could get you badly beaten up.
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Just my musing, they tend to be odd.



I don't think that's odd at all, and I think you have your finger on something.

Speaking from no authority or experience, do you think the difference might lie in the fact that homosexuality is so culturally proscribed among men -- you know, the whole "gay thing," being a "real man," etc. -- that men might tend much less to express their bi-sexuality to others? In other words, they might feel it, but they'd never dare describe those feelings to other men?

I'll admit I'm on rather shaky ground here, but I think women tend to give more intrinsic meaning to the physical aspects of sex than men do. For example, I read in another thread here a few minutes ago someone describing how they masturbated to completion seven times in the space of a few hours. I can't even begin to fathom that. I don't condemn it, I just don't understand it.








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Reply #33 on: March 24, 2013, 10:17:47 PM
I agree that sex seems more relational for women.  I have a hunch that it's because, biologically speaking, a man's reproductive task is pretty well done after ejaculation while a woman's lasts through delivery.  It's always made sense to me that a woman would have an intrinsically higher value on the relationship itself.  Not that men don't, or that all women do, but that the averages lean that way.

I don't have anything to back that up with other than a hunch.  Still, I find it a very useful way to look at things, and it reminds me to pay attention to the relational aspect if I wish to increase the sex life with Mrs. Partner.



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Reply #34 on: March 25, 2013, 04:01:15 AM
Partner, you are correct as far as you go.

The biological imperative force women to be the primary care givers to children because of feeding. Thus the maternal instinct. To foster care for the child, and to ensure both the mother and child's survival the female strives to create relationships, deep, binding relationships. Mates for life. Since we aren't driven by instinct we create cultural rules to ensure that these survival tactics are enforced.

The male on the other hand is ephemeral, and once the sperm is donated, then any male will suffice to ensure the survival relationship. Thus, males form bonds with women, and oftentimes stronger bonds with other males evolving around shared danger: the hunt, war, work effort. This means that the males have a shared sense of property, and when one falls they feel an obligation to support the family of the fallen.

This is culturally reinforced.

Why do you think that the common male urge in the face of danger is to place the women and children in the rear while the young and strong males crowd to the front? They are the most expendable. They fight and die to protect the group and the most valuable members.

 

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Reply #35 on: March 25, 2013, 05:48:33 AM
Well said Katie



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Reply #36 on: March 25, 2013, 05:59:42 AM
Thanks.  I wanted to be very careful to not overstate the difference between sexes since that is such a touchy flash point.



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Reply #37 on: March 28, 2013, 02:09:47 PM
just right katie.  This is why (in fear of my safety, I hesitate to say this) I'm opposed to women in combat units.

We men are programed to defend the females.  If there was a woman in the fight, many males would be subconsciously distracted to insure her safety.  As an example, look at women being abused in public.  If a fight between two males erupts, most men will look on and let them settle the dispute, but if a man hits a woman in public, most men will jump right in and stop that shit.



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Reply #38 on: March 28, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
just right katie.  This is why (in fear of my safety, I hesitate to say this) I'm opposed to women in combat units.

We men are programed to defend the females.  If there was a woman in the fight, many males would be subconsciously distracted to insure her safety.  As an example, look at women being abused in public.  If a fight between two males erupts, most men will look on and let them settle the dispute, but if a man hits a woman in public, most men will jump right in and stop that shit.
An excuse for discrimination, nothing more, a free pass for chauvinists who don't want to change their attitude. Military training reprograms people to unthinkingly do many things that it is not in normal human nature to do, and is very effective at doing so. Military training and indoctrination is designed precisely for the dual purpose of exaggerating those aspects of human nature that aid in war and completely drilling out those that are not helpful to group success in war. Basic training and military culture have to suppress a great many human instincts (to be remorseful for violence and killing, to stop what you're doing at the sight of someone injured and feel empathy and attempt to help, to hesitate and consider the consequences of an action someone else tells you to do, to question or rebel against statements and commands that we do not agree with), so any chauvinistic tendency among some males to be overly protective of female comrades can be just as easily drilled out of them. The unwillingness of a few sexist men to treat women with equal respect and equal expectations is not a valid excuse to discriminate against all women who are physically capable and willing to do the job. Plenty of guys wash out of basic training. Women who can hack it have every right to be there, and men just have to learn to deal with it. If they can learn how to instantly reply to the order to jump with "How high, sir?!" they can learn not to endanger themselves and their comrades by being overprotective of women in their unit.
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Reply #39 on: March 28, 2013, 05:52:32 PM
and that is why I hesitated.  I have served in the military, i've been there/done that.
And yes there are some women who could do the job just as well as any man, but on average is what we have to look at.  

Would MOST women be able to do the combat tasks?  Men and women, though jsut as good as the other, have serious diff. in phsycology and anyone who doesn't recognize this is simply blind.  There are things women are better at, and things men are better at (again, on average).

But this is way off topic, so I"ll stop now.