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Reply #240 on: March 15, 2013, 07:54:22 AM
Public service announcement from the Grammar Police, Pet Peeve Division:

Quote is a verb

Quotation is a noun.

If you are inclined to answer that widespread, common usage makes it standard and thus okay, then tell me this, how many apostrophe's am I holding up? I thought so.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

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Reply #241 on: March 15, 2013, 02:24:13 PM
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Reply #242 on: March 15, 2013, 02:50:12 PM
Public service announcement from the Grammar Police, Pet Peeve Division:

Quote is a verb

Quotation is a noun.

If you are inclined to answer that widespread, common usage makes it standard and thus okay, then tell me this, how many apostrophe's am I holding up? I thought so.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quote

Definition of QUOTE
1: quotation
2: quotation mark —often used orally to indicate the beginning of a direct quotation
See quote defined for English-language learners »

Examples of QUOTE

    Each chapter of the book began with an inspirational quote.



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Reply #243 on: March 15, 2013, 10:02:19 PM
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Reply #244 on: March 15, 2013, 11:48:59 PM
Can I get the source of that quote/quotation please, Athos?

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Reply #245 on: March 16, 2013, 11:42:34 PM
No, you may not. That's what the Internet is for. Go forth and learn.

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Reply #246 on: March 16, 2013, 11:47:36 PM
Can I get the source of that quote/quotation please, Athos?

Would it be pretentious to admit it was mine?



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Reply #247 on: March 16, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Not if that's the truth.

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Reply #248 on: March 17, 2013, 12:01:24 AM
As long as it's you, take the credit.

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Reply #249 on: March 17, 2013, 07:18:39 AM

Something about something by someone important.


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Reply #250 on: March 17, 2013, 07:19:45 AM

Something about something by someone important.


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Reply #251 on: March 17, 2013, 07:53:44 AM
"Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.” - George Carlin

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Reply #252 on: March 17, 2013, 10:47:37 AM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quote

Definition of QUOTE
1: quotation
2: quotation mark —often used orally to indicate the beginning of a direct quotation
See quote defined for English-language learners »

Examples of QUOTE

    Each chapter of the book began with an inspirational quote.

My 1968 Websters New World Dictionary (Second College Edition) calls the use of quote as a noun "colloquial," as in not proper usage.  It also lists the use of quote to indicate quotation marks an interjection, not a noun. Most of my high school and college teachers would have circled it in red and deducted points if I used quote as a noun.

Quote as a noun may have slid slidden sled slud into the boundaries of acceptable usage in the past 45 years, but it doesn't make me think it's any more proper than it was then. I am quite certain it will be less than 45 years hence that it will likewise be considered acceptable usage to speak of how many apostrophe's I'm holding up. Won't make it right. Sure, language changes over time, but we'd all be crushed under a mountain of slang, jargon and gibberish if some of us didn't try to enforce a few standards here and there. Pet peeves are like art: there's no accounting for taste.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2013, 10:49:41 AM by alistair.blankley »

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Reply #253 on: March 17, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quote

Definition of QUOTE
1: quotation
2: quotation mark —often used orally to indicate the beginning of a direct quotation
See quote defined for English-language learners »

Examples of QUOTE

    Each chapter of the book began with an inspirational quote.

My 1968 Websters New World Dictionary (Second College Edition) calls the use of quote as a noun "colloquial," as in not proper usage.  It also lists the use of quote to indicate quotation marks an interjection, not a noun. Most of my high school and college teachers would have circled it in red and deducted points if I used quote as a noun.

Quote as a noun may have slid slidden sled slud into the boundaries of acceptable usage in the past 45 years, but it doesn't make me think it's any more proper than it was then. I am quite certain it will be less than 45 years hence that it will likewise be considered acceptable usage to speak of how many apostrophe's I'm holding up. Won't make it right. Sure, language changes over time, but we'd all be crushed under a mountain of slang, jargon and gibberish if some of us didn't try to enforce a few standards here and there. Pet peeves are like art: there's no accounting for taste.

By your philosophy we all should be speaking Latin.  
« Last Edit: March 17, 2013, 12:50:52 PM by Athos131 »



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Reply #254 on: March 17, 2013, 01:12:00 PM
This is the fun of spoken English it changes every day, new words, new meanings for words and of course new usage. The amazing thing is we usually understand each other (except if they are posts by DD.) There are whole message boards out there devoted to the proper use of English, but its just chatter because it will continue to change and long may it do so.



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Reply #255 on: March 17, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
“Every clique is a refuge for incompetence. It fosters corruption and disloyalty, it begets cowardice, and consequently is a burden upon and a drawback to the progress of the country. Its instincts and actions are those of the pack.”
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Reply #256 on: March 17, 2013, 03:35:26 PM
Woo again to TD for a good quotation from an interesting source.

As for the language, I'll just go on doing my best, which means occasionally slipping. I find abuses of grammar to be far less disruptive than abuses of logic. Thisis the internet, after all.

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Reply #257 on: March 17, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
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Reply #258 on: March 17, 2013, 06:01:47 PM
This is the fun of spoken English it changes every day, new words, new meanings for words and of course new usage. The amazing thing is we usually understand each other (except if they are posts by DD.) There are whole message boards out there devoted to the proper use of English, but its just chatter because it will continue to change and long may it do so.
1. I thought it would be clear to everyone, but maybe it would be a good idea for me to point out that I wasn't intending to criticize, correct or mock anyone in particular at all. I was pointing out a pet peeve about what has increasingly become common usage, now even in news organization and mass media, and even some academic writing. Since it's right in the title of the thread, it's impossible for me to not notice, and hard for me to ignore. I didn't even look at who the OP was (perhaps I should have, but I didn't think even the OP could take what I said personally). Every single poster in the thread, by doing so, joined in the usage I'm bitching about, so I couldn't be calling any specific person out. Sorry if anyone got rubbed the wrong way. I fully realize I am blowing against the wind on this quibble, and I thought the partly-facetious nature of my comment would be clear.
2. Grm, I completely agree with your statement, and might even find myself on the other side of the argument if it was a little different, say, a situation I thought someone was seriously grammar policing someone pointlessly and insensitively. Every question looks different depending on the direction you're looking at it from. By their nature, pet peeves are usually not completely rational.
3. Thanks for that cartoon. That is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.
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Reply #259 on: March 17, 2013, 06:41:32 PM
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We welcome the rise of the Grammar Reich, which will last for a thousand years!


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