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on: June 21, 2024, 09:19:31 AM
KB members often ask for help in finding erotic stories. Usenet carries requests for long-lost TV series, or ebooks, or image galleries.

For years I've been searching for books by an author called F. E. Penny (1847–1939). I've located second-hand copies of 23 of her novels but that leaves 19 that I'd love to read and digitize.

This morning AbeBooks informed me that it had found a match for one of the 19, at the disappointing price of $250. Some time ago another of the 19 was listed for $450. The going rate for used books of that era is $15-20, rising to maybe $45-50 for a first edition.

I've always assumed that books were the most durable medium for preserving the written word. Some books printed a century or two ago are still in circulation, and many archives have digital scans. But when books disappear, they disappear completely.

I'm blathering about books because they're my passion. Thousands of people are doubtless experiencing frustration over disappearing postage stamps, or cigarette cards, or video games, or Happy Meal toys, or beer mats, or other ephemera.

It would be fun to share KB members' experiences of fruitless searches for almost anything. Any takers? :)



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Reply #1 on: June 21, 2024, 12:39:13 PM


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My greatest frustrations come from fruitless genealogy searches. Earlier today I came across the name of a second cousin of mine, and I could only find two sources for him. There was an Ohio birth record indicating he was born in 1878. The only other mention of him is a Nebraska death certificate showing that he died in 1955.

That's it. He lived over 75 years and that's all I know about him. No mention anywhere of a spouse or family, no census records, no any kind of record that I can find. Fortunately, he had a very uncommon first and middle name and the death certificate did have his date of birth listed, so it could have been worse if the death certificate had only the year he was born and/or his name was more common.

Good luck in your search for a more reasonably priced copy of the book you're looking for. I suppose books are like anything else, the price is determined by supply and demand. It sounds like you're not the only enamored fan of F.E. Penny.






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Reply #2 on: June 21, 2024, 07:35:07 PM
Fanny Emily Penny (since I wanted to find out), also if you list books you are missing by name it might help those who want to search for them to help you.

Good luck finding what you are looking for, I know how hard that can be.

I have found some things I had been looking for after many years of searching so don't give up hope.

Also maybe preservers/archivists could get together and buy a book to digitize and then have an internal auction or something to decide who gets to keep the physical copy :) Sadly I lack the funds personally to be of any use in that.


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Reply #3 on: June 21, 2024, 08:35:11 PM
Abe Books is a great resource. I buy most of my books from them. Cheaper than Amazon usually. 

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Reply #4 on: June 21, 2024, 08:56:48 PM
Recently I've been trying to find the wheel of time book series with the original artwork on the cover. I've found half of them, but the rest have been difficult to find. They all have new cover art, and I assume it is because of the series released on Amazon Prime.
Sometimes I will find one, but it will be very beaten up.



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Reply #5 on: June 22, 2024, 09:23:48 AM
My greatest frustrations come from fruitless genealogy searches. Earlier today I came across the name of a second cousin of mine, and I could only find two sources for him. There was an Ohio birth record indicating he was born in 1878. The only other mention of him is a Nebraska death certificate showing that he died in 1955.

Tracing family members requires a very special skill set which, alas, I don't have. I've been very unlucky with websites that offer access to census data and records of births, marriages, and deaths.

A lady once reached out to me by email, asking if perhaps we might be related. We weren't, but in the course of our correspondence I learned that this lady was writing a history of her family. Not for publication, just to pass on to the next generation. Somehow she gained access to military records stored in archives on air bases. She suggested I do the same. It didn't take me long to discover that I'd have to submit a pile of documentation proving my connection with the people whose records I wanted to examine. Passports, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. I gave up.



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Reply #6 on: June 22, 2024, 09:25:28 AM
Fanny Emily Penny (since I wanted to find out), also if you list books you are missing by name it might help those who want to search for them to help you.

Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned F. E. Penny. She's an example of an author who was popular in her time, but whose work is now mostly forgotten.

I wouldn't want KB members to spend their time going down avenues I've already explored, not once, but many, many times.

I've exhausted the Internet Archive, HathiTrust, and Google Books digital collections and occasionally check ebook libraries such as Faded Page. I've learned that the best thing to do is register a wish list with sites such as AbeBooks, and then wait. Sooner or later something will pop up.



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Reply #7 on: June 22, 2024, 09:38:08 AM
Recently I've been trying to find the wheel of time book series with the original artwork on the cover. I've found half of them, but the rest have been difficult to find. They all have new cover art, and I assume it is because of the series released on Amazon Prime.
Sometimes I will find one, but it will be very beaten up.

Thank you for reminding me of another delightful rabbit hole!

The artwork of paperback books does change from edition to edition, and not always for the better. I often wonder who makes the decision to change, and why.

Years ago I was a huge fan of a Scottish author called Marie Treanor, and purchase all her books in paperback form. At some point I acquired digital copies and threw away the paperbacks. Bad move! I do so miss the gorgeous artwork of the paperbacks. My favourite was Blood on Silk. The online image doesn't go justice to the flowing red dress of the heroine.



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Reply #8 on: June 22, 2024, 06:16:27 PM
My greatest frustrations come from fruitless genealogy searches. Earlier today I came across the name of a second cousin of mine, and I could only find two sources for him. There was an Ohio birth record indicating he was born in 1878. The only other mention of him is a Nebraska death certificate showing that he died in 1955.

Tracing family members requires a very special skill set which, alas, I don't have. I've been very unlucky with websites that offer access to census data and records of births, marriages, and deaths.

A lady once reached out to me by email, asking if perhaps we might be related. We weren't, but in the course of our correspondence I learned that this lady was writing a history of her family. Not for publication, just to pass on to the next generation. Somehow she gained access to military records stored in archives on air bases. She suggested I do the same. It didn't take me long to discover that I'd have to submit a pile of documentation proving my connection with the people whose records I wanted to examine. Passports, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. I gave up.

I have been an amateur genealogist for 25 years or so. When I became a father, I realized I actually knew very little about my family. So I started working back, one generation at a time. Today I have about 1500 ancestors in my tree. It has been a fascinating journey.

The funny thing is, no one else in my family has any interest in this huge bevy of data. So I just try to load it all up to Ancestry in case I have a relative or descendants somewhere down the road who will want to know.

The big mystery is my grandfather. He is listed on the 1910 Census as “adopted son.” He was six years old. Rumor in my family is that his sister was actually his mother, and that she went to “take the cure” somewhere and my great grandmother came home with a baby she said was hers. She was 45 at the time.

All of which is to say I likely have an unknown great grandfather.  Anyone who knew the details are long gone.


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Reply #9 on: June 23, 2024, 03:37:43 AM
I have been an amateur genealogist for 25 years or so. When I became a father, I realized I actually knew very little about my family. So I started working back, one generation at a time. Today I have about 1500 ancestors in my tree. It has been a fascinating journey.

The funny thing is, no one else in my family has any interest in this huge bevy of data. So I just try to load it all up to Ancestry in case I have a relative or descendants somewhere down the road who will want to know.

It's the same in my family. Whenever I get neurotic about preserving obsolete video and photo media, I'm told to take it easy, and that I've already done more than enough.

One thing I've never done is take a commercial DNA test. I know that the roots of my family are somewhere in Eastern Europe, and that should be enough for me, but there's one loose end.

Both of my parents told me they were often asked, "Excuse me, but are you Jewish?" by people to whom they'd been introduced. No one's ever asked me that question, so I have no idea whether it's common, or whether some Jewish people have a sixth sense about recognizing other Jews.

If any KB members have had their DNA analyzed, are there any companies they can recommend? Any experiences they can share? For future reference.



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Reply #10 on: June 23, 2024, 03:54:52 AM
I’m paranoid about DNA tests. Too much info for corporate America to use. I have avoided doing one.

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Reply #11 on: June 23, 2024, 04:18:30 AM
Our family was blessed with a huge book of our families history. A retired oil executive in Denver did extensive research on our family name. A couple here have seen what it is.

There was a few tid bits about some people in the Crusades. There's even a family crest.

The book starts with the first I***h to hit these shores in 1629, and settled in Plymouth, MA.. The book went as far as my great grandfather. We were able to fill in the blanks from there.

There's some known about my mother's side too as they were relatively immigrants.

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Reply #12 on: June 23, 2024, 12:31:58 PM


I have been an amateur genealogist for 25 years or so. When I became a father, I realized I actually knew very little about my family. So I started working back, one generation at a time. Today I have about 1500 ancestors in my tree. It has been a fascinating journey.

The funny thing is, no one else in my family has any interest in this huge bevy of data. So I just try to load it all up to Ancestry in case I have a relative or descendants somewhere down the road who will want to know.

The big mystery is my grandfather. He is listed on the 1910 Census as “adopted son.” He was six years old. Rumor in my family is that his sister was actually his mother, and that she went to “take the cure” somewhere and my great grandmother came home with a baby she said was hers. She was 45 at the time.

All of which is to say I likely have an unknown great grandfather.  Anyone who knew the details are long gone.

I think things like that happened more frequently a hundred years ago than we imagine. I was researching a fairly distant cousin I'll call MK. The Find A Grave website has MK listed as one of 10 children, including one sister who was 18 years older than he was, and there are some sources that indicate she was actually his mother. He was born two years before his sister/mother got married and they shared a last name.

The 1940 census listed him as a grandson to the parents listed on the FAG site. Also listed on the same census is a son who was born five days before MK was, and while it's theoretically possible they could have been twins born five days apart, my best guess is that the sources that list his sister as his mother are probably correct.

And if all that wasn't weird enough, as an adult later in life, MK's second wife was his daughter's mother-in-law. Kinda makes my head spin trying to figure it all out.  :emot_weird:  Oh, one more thing, believe it or not. On that 1940 census, the family listed below MK's is my wife's aunt and uncle, and her four cousins. Her first cousins lived right next door to my third cousins.

Anyway, I think you're smart to put it online, although I'm too cheap to pay Ancestry's membership rates. I'm uploading mine to WikiTree, which is free. Of course WikiTree, Ancestry, Family Search and Find A Grave are all subject to human errors. Recently I corrected a site that had a father's daughter listed as his wife, even though there is a picture of the tombstone showing his wife's actual name, and the names of their three children.  :roll:






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Reply #13 on: June 23, 2024, 04:48:40 PM
I’m paranoid about DNA tests. Too much info for corporate America to use. I have avoided doing one.

One of my brother's friends is very paranoid about stuff like that, and I got him so worked up by saying if he has ever used a public bathroom, or ate at a restaurant and used their cutlery, your DNA is already circulating on the dark web. Jason says he bring wetwipes with him and wipes down the silverware after eating.😂🤣



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Reply #14 on: June 24, 2024, 12:03:14 AM

I’m paranoid about DNA tests. Too much info for corporate America to use. I have avoided doing one.


I used to be paranoid about DNA tests for the same reason -- I didn't want the government having my DNA on file and accessible.

Then I had a great exchange here several years ago with that really smart Irish guy who's name escapes me, and I changed my mind.





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Reply #15 on: June 24, 2024, 01:36:31 AM
Recently I've been trying to find the wheel of time book series with the original artwork on the cover. I've found half of them, but the rest have been difficult to find. They all have new cover art, and I assume it is because of the series released on Amazon Prime.
Sometimes I will find one, but it will be very beaten up.

Kevin has them.  All the books are in good condition except for one that is falling apart in the binding. Dry rotted.  And I'd have to look, but I think all but the first one is a first edition.  He would buy them the second he could get his hands on them. We'll have to talk about getting you the covers.  Can't part with the books though.  One is signed (or maybe it was a Terry Goodkind book).

AND, he took the covers off of them and put them in a shoe box.  They are in perfect condition except that they are curved a bit from sittin in a too small she box. 



I’m paranoid about DNA tests. Too much info for corporate America to use. I have avoided doing one.


I used to be paranoid about DNA tests for the same reason -- I didn't want the government having my DNA on file and accessible.

Then I had a great exchange here several years ago with that really smart Irish guy whose name escapes me, and I changed my mind.


I was excited about 23&me, then
it opened up a dark secret and pretty much sent me to the psych-ward.

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Reply #16 on: June 28, 2024, 04:21:43 AM
When I was an impoverished student I had to make do with a friend's record player and a small collection of LPs.

Two of them were particular favourites: Led Zeppelin I and Ustad Ali Akbar Khan playing Rag Sindhu Bhairavi.

A decade later, when the Sony CDP-101 hit the market, I began replacing my vinyl albums with CD copies.

Sadly the Ali Akbar Khan album never made it to CD and has disappeared without trace.

I have other albums of Khan playing Sindhu Bhairavi, but I yearn for that particular recording.

After a long day in the gloom of the library, I'd stop off at a fish and chip shop, bring home the warm paper parcel, and munch away to the sounds of Led Zeppelin or Ali Akbar Khan.

Even to this day, whenever I hear the first few bars of "Good Times Bad Times", my taste buds hallucinate fish and chips + a pickled onion.

I'm sure the Ali Akbar Khan recording would have the same magical effect, could I but find a copy.  :(



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Reply #17 on: June 28, 2024, 12:39:55 PM

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