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Reply #20 on: July 02, 2018, 01:37:37 AM
".....I believe the real reason to exclude Libya, Somalia, Syria and  Yemen is because these are countries from refugees are fleeing horrible situations and Trump does not want them in the U.S.  There is no need to exclude Saudi Arabia.  The Saudi's are happy enough at home and not an immigration problem....."
You are right on the money in your final paragraph. People traveling from war torn nations are simply more difficult to 'vet', that is to Identify, as to true identity, and run them through criminal history data files in their own nation, and our own files.

The idea is: why would you want to allow travel here from anyplace where you cannot trust what information you can get about that individual ahead of their arrival.  In fact, ahead of the individual boarding to come here.  These are high risk folks, until the U.S. can positively identify and certify that this individual is some one with a researchable history, who a Government we believe can vouch for, and answer questions about.

Does the individual have a VISA to enter the US? If not, they may not board.
Same as when any American seeks to fly somewhere other than here.

This is sound thinking, albeit imperfect, and not withstanding complications to otherwise welcome individuals which must be sorted, it remains sound thinking and worthy of being in place until and unless the US can verify that the person seeking entry is who they say, and is worthy of welcome here.

Jihadi trouble is one we need less of, not more of, and blocked are nations who are not friendly to the United States, for whatever reasons, with whom we have less than reliable communication, and who's information is not deemed to be reliable or in our interest to trust.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of odd folk living there, some very opposite views among them than the views of the United States, AND it seems we trust the information they provide about travelers headed our way, under their control.

Likely the same for Pakistan, if they are not on the list.  Not people I want to trust, Saudi's or Pakistan, just my own hair on my arms standing up to think about who may come here from there, yet, that is not the question. The US believes information is valid, complete, and thus justifies good vetting on arrival, but no need to ban.

All too often, we seem to interpose LEGAL and illegal people, as to travelers or those found walking across our Southern border, and it is important to make the distinctions.

Illegal is 100% unwanted. Legal is ok, good to go.

Can't tell? Then unwanted until proven otherwise.

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Reply #21 on: July 02, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
The United States made the same argument concerning Jews fleeing NAZI Germany.

"There might be NAZI agents hidden among them!" it was said.

Think about it.  We could have saved many thousands of people, including Anne Frank's family, who were denied asylum in the United States because of this rationale.

How many more will die because of this inhumane policy?  Think on it.  Not a single refugee HAS EVER committed a terrorist attack in the United States.  Why?  Because we have always vetted them well first.  Joan is just repeating the Trump regime's poor excuse.



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Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
You mean lies.

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.


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Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 02:06:58 AM
You are right on the money in your final paragraph. People traveling from war torn nations are simply more difficult to 'vet', that is to Identify, as to true identity, and run them through criminal history data files in their own nation, and our own files.

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Can't tell? Then unwanted until proven otherwise.

Not just our files.  Interpol.  Ever heard of them?  Yeah, them.  They have files on everyone that's a serious threat, which includes photgraphs, because that's their job.  Which is why USC&I goes through all the Interpol wanted lists, when they vet immigrants.  Just like we have since the 20s.

Once again, your excuse is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, because it's dealt with INTERNATIONALLY.  It's literally not a 1st World Problem.  It's not America's problem, because the international community has it well in hand, thank you.

It's an excuse, to break constitutional law, and international agreements.  Now, look at that map.  I didn't say soley Muslem countries.  I said Brown.  Why isn't RUSSIA on that list?  The only Asian (Not African, South American, or Middle Eastern) country on that list just happens to be the last one your President fucking Dared to nuke us.

Now, the reason why they're "War Torn," is because that's where Refugees Come From.  Not fucking Sweden, dipshit.

Just to be clear, Goldfinger has you fucking terrified of people who have literally lost everything.  Even their identities, while he has everything.  You should be afraid of the one with all the power, not the ones with none.  They can't hurt you, they just don't want to die.



Also note, Mexico isn't even a threat.  Likewise, the Wall is yet another solution to a problem that doesn't even exist.
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Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 02:22:13 AM
Legal. Illegal.

There is a difference.

Legal, obtain a Visa, buy a plane ticket, bring your passport, etc.

Illegal, cross the border somehow, not at a port of entry. The rest means nothing, as you are a criminal at entry, and need to be shipped back, not ever accepted, not as a tourist, nada.

It is very simple.

Need to get Asylum? Go South or whatever, not North to America.
Come here legally, or do not come here at all.

Very simple.

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Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 02:57:36 AM
You have no idea what it is to be afraid Joan.

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Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 03:04:41 AM
I am blessed to live in a great country, where law and order is common.

People who live in places where law and order is uncommon, need to work on their countries, get involved, or figure a legal way out of their situation.

Here is not an answer for them. Arrival at our Southern border in time to jump start Democrats to get them to the November Polls is not the answer.

A cynic might think it was planned by leftists to happen prior to our mid-term election, as it did in 2014...


You have no idea what it is to be afraid Joan.

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Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 03:11:37 AM
Legal. Illegal.

Assuming that the Law itself is right, and constitutional.

Just for contrast, in Muslem countries, where Sharia Law is practiced.  "Legal is legal."  Right?

No, this country was founded by Immigrants, with Liberty, and Justice for all.  

Not "Except these people."  They're changing the Law, unconstitutionally, to add which people it doesn't apply to.

That's Unamerican.

I am blessed to live in a great country, where law and order is common.

It was.  You're actively fighting to support the ones who're changing that.



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Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 06:46:11 AM
Need to get Asylum? Go South or whatever, not North to America.
Come here legally, or do not come here at all.

You don't even see the basic contradiction in this statement, do you?



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Reply #29 on: July 12, 2018, 03:10:32 AM
Oh, look.  Russian spies traipsing right over the Canadian border!  I seem to remember saying something about what about the Canadian Border, and what about Russia for weeks, but no.  We're still protecting freedom from Mexico, and fucking Syria.

#NiceJobBreakingItHero.