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on: January 27, 2017, 11:16:04 AM
Man jailed for watching teenage girl Becky Morgan drown in sea instead of calling for help

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/man-jailed-for-watching-teenage-girl-becky-morgan-drown-in-sea-instead-of-calling-for-help/ar-AAmhrzT?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp


I didn't know a person could be charged for not intervening to help? I always thought that a persons only responsibility was not to cause or risk harm to others. I didn't know we had a legal responsibility to help. Don't get me wrong, I do think we have a moral responsibility to help, I just didn't know we had a legal one. Learn something new every day.

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Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 01:48:19 PM
So they were completely wasted.   It says he was, I am assuming she was also, but could be wrong there.    

I've been plenty messed up and would have at least tried to contact someone.   Not go back into town to sober up.

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Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
I do think it's a moral responsibility to help. That being said I will say this... I was a volunteer paramedic in college. You would be amazed how much of the training is devoted specifically to legal issues. The whole purpose of it was so that if you see someone in trouble you would be able to help them without them suing you afterwards because you didn't have their consent to assist them.
So while I would always try to help someone hurt, I could understand why others wouldn't.

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Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Similarly, I thought back to my CPR training.    It's been a while and not sure how they instruct now, but The Good Samaritan law comes into effect.   Maybe not so much in your case when you're a volunteer in that position, Brittany.

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Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 03:52:01 PM
At least the guy took responsibility for not at least seeking help.



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Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 05:29:08 PM

I've been plenty messed up and would have at least tried to contact someone.   Not go back into town to sober up.



Agreed. Morally he's an asswipe. My question pertained to the legal obligation though.

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Reply #6 on: January 27, 2017, 05:30:30 PM
I do think it's a moral responsibility to help. That being said I will say this... I was a volunteer paramedic in college. You would be amazed how much of the training is devoted specifically to legal issues. The whole purpose of it was so that if you see someone in trouble you would be able to help them without them suing you afterwards because you didn't have their consent to assist them.
So while I would always try to help someone hurt, I could understand why others wouldn't.


Up here in Canada we have (or at least had) a good Samaritan law that was designed to protect first aiders against liability.

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Reply #7 on: January 28, 2017, 02:35:42 AM

We have a 'Good Samaritan' law here, too.  First step is getting consent (well, after you've cleared the scene so that whatever hurt THEM isn't going to hurt YOU, too!).

If the victim is unconscious, then consent is automatically assumed if a normal person would want help in that situation.  That covers you legally in case the person is a Jehovah's Witness or any of the 24 nutcase religions that might refuse medical assistance.

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Reply #8 on: January 28, 2017, 05:58:22 AM
There is more to this story than just his failure to help her when she was in the water. I have no doubt about that. This is about not even calling the police when she when she went into the water 3 hours before and just how she ended up in the water. He pled guilty if I read the story correctly because he felt guilty over it. The funny thing is saving someone who is drowning is one of the more dangerous rescue scenarios. Bad enough that you have a desperate person who will often grab at anything to save themselves and in doing so, drag you under with them, but if you are dealing with moving water like the ocean or a river, you may well endanger yourself. This doesn't even bring up the point that maybe the guy couldn't swim...

Whatever the case, I doubt we will ever know the whole story.



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Reply #9 on: January 28, 2017, 11:55:33 AM
If you were to take one hundred teenage boys, put them on a beach at night with a suitable girl, get them thoroughly drunk and stoned, and then give them a realistic test of ability to think straight in an emergency, put the losers in jail and give medals to the winners, how many medals would you need? Any?

This test should be administered only by those who have significant experience as stonehead boozers.

If it were otherwise, we could let officers of the law, including judges, jurors and prosecutors slurp and toke to their hearts' content while they do their work. Same for airline pilots and surgeons.

Once the fog cleared out of the kid's head, he had the natural response of guilt and remorse, for which he should at least get some credit. What he needed after he sobered up was some serious emotional and legal counseling, which I doubt he will be getting over the next few years.

As for the girl's family, I don't expect them to share my views. If it had been my daughter, I'm not sure what I would think or feel, other than grief and outrage.

If the boy had been my son, I would be utterly devastated.

Those who may want to boo this post are free to do so. Death before one's time is a terrible tragedy, to which there is no useful response other than the emotional, unless you are Doctor Spock. This is why we hate war, famine, plague and natural disaster.



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Reply #10 on: January 29, 2017, 01:38:32 AM

Whatever the case, I doubt we will ever know the whole story.


Agreed

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