Seattle, Washington - Lost?

[HppyHrryHrdn]

I know I'm going to be hounded over this but post away I go.

I have a question what is the difference between what happened at Malheur Wildlife Refuge  and what is going on in Seattle. I mean besides the FBI going in and executing one of the leaders in Oregon and letting Seattle continue unabated.  Oh and in Oregon they were conservatives instead of media darlings.   Other things being in Oregon they were out in the middle of no where instead of in the middle of a highly populated city carrying guns.   So I wonder will the state police and FBI be executing the leaders of this movement. Or is that reserved for conservatives only.
And before you blow a head gasket look it up there are several movies on the subject and a video of the actual shooting. Yet very few news articles on what was done have been published and no riots took place afterward.
In the new world where everything should be equal I would just like it be so all the time, if that is truly the standard.

[HppyHrryHrdn]

So all the people inside the current occupied zone are being held and prevented from returning? And today I thought running from the police was OK.  And not one police car was hit by the so called ramming the police.  From what I see on the video from inside the vehicle he was trying to go around the blockade.  I personally have seen other people do this and they were let pass and followed by a swarm of police cars. 
As for appeared to be reaching for a gun, I also have done the exact same thing when I was younger.  Though it was night and the police officer couldn't see that well unlike the daylight they had in this case.  And yes the officer undid the snap on his holster and had is hand on his gun when he ask me to slowly remove my hands from my pockets.   The other difference in my case is there weren't snipers in the trees and he didn't have an agenda. 
And yes it went on for a few weeks again it effected basically no one.  It was in the middle of a bird sanctuary, not a city where non participants are everywhere. 
I will be interested in seeing if like the people at the sanctuary if all the people involved in Seattle will be prosecuted.    So I guess it depends on which side of the incident you are looking to say if it based in reality or not.    From my point of view and having been either a participant or direct witness to similar incidents the video of the killing of LaVoy Finicum  looks more like an execution than half of what they are calling that today.

[Jed_]

LaVoy Finicum was certainly a tragic Quixotic figure, but he had already made threats of violence using firearms rather than allow government property to return to the government.  The video of the incident of his attempted arrest clearly showed him not just reaching for his 9mm, but pulling it out and aiming it leaving law enforcement no choice.

The scene in Seattle reminds me more of the self-regulating atmosphere of a Grateful Dead concert where only peer pressure is required to de-escalate any unsafe situation.  And like those shows, this one will end peacefully.

[Lois]

The so called "occupation zone" in Seattle is peaceful.  No one is being stopped for going about their business. No one has declared an independent state or stopped paying taxes. Only the police are not welcome.

It really looks like one big street party.

[MissBarbara]

I know I'm going to be hounded over this but post away I go.

I have a question what is the difference between what happened at Malheur Wildlife Refuge  and what is going on in Seattle. I mean besides the FBI going in and executing one of the leaders in Oregon and letting Seattle continue unabated.  Oh and in Oregon they were conservatives instead of media darlings.   Other things being in Oregon they were out in the middle of no where instead of in the middle of a highly populated city carrying guns. 

So I wonder will the state police and FBI be executing the leaders of this movement. Or is that reserved for conservatives only.

And before you blow a head gasket look it up there are several movies on the subject and a video of the actual shooting. Yet very few news articles on what was done have been published and no riots took place afterward.

In the new world where everything should be equal I would just like it be so all the time, if that is truly the standard.

If you were to ask me what are the two most annoying things Conservatives do these days, I would point to your post, and note the extremely common phenomenon of alleging conspiracies or indicating unfairness by a lack of news coverage.

What makes it especially interesting is that these assertions are almost always easily disproven with only a few seconds of googling.

So, your assertion that "very few news articles on what was done have been published" is countered by the fact that articles on his event were published in virtually every single mainstream media outlet, including the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, Los Angeles Times, and NPR, along with dozens and dozens of articles in Oregon newspapers. And that's only looking at the first couple of pages of Google results.

The second annoying modern-day Conservative habit is to instantly resort to #WhatAboutism, especially in comparing two events which bear little comparison. In fact, in your post you, perhaps inadvertently, pointed out the most fundamental difference: "In Oregon they were out in the middle of no where instead of in the middle of a highly populated city."

To answer your question, LaVoy Finicum was shot by an FBI agent as they attempted to arrest him, and Finicum reached for a handgun in his pocket. If you wish to call that an "execution," you're welcome to do so. But you'd be pretty much alone in using that label for an incident like this.

[joan1984]

  So the 'autonamous zone' or 'occupation zone' has paid taxes, arranged for permits, has Fire Insurance arrangements for all the other people's property they have seized? Landlords are receiving regular rent payments, and security deposits have been paid, along with first and last month's rent for each building they have seized?

  Interesting how many excuses some make for Terrorism by armed leftists, at the expense of Law, Order, and Sovereignty. Just happy and peaceful, with the happy media proudly passing out their messages and claims... lucky us.

The so called "occupation zone" in Seattle is peaceful.  No one is being stopped for going about their business. No one has declared an independent state or stopped paying taxes. Only the police are not welcome.

It really looks like one big street party.

[Lois]

I am sure people living in the area are paying rent as always.  I'm not sure what you are going on about.

And just how do free snacks, first aid tents, and poetry readings = terrorist?

[_priapism]

I am sure people living in the area are paying rent as always.  I'm not sure what you are going on about.

And just how do free snacks, first aid tents, and poetry readings = terrorist?

Because if it didn’t happen, just make it up.  Terrorize your viewers, like John, who verifies nothing.  Then apologize, when you get caught lying.



Fox News Removes Digitally Altered, Misleading Photos of Seattle 'Autonomous Zone' From Website

[Jed_]

I am sure people living in the area are paying rent as always.  I'm not sure what you are going on about.

And just how do free snacks, first aid tents, and poetry readings = terrorist?

Don’t forget the documentaries and music. . . . Oh the horror of it all!

Like I said, it’s a Dead show.  Interesting quote I recall from back in those days. The Dead used to play in Eugene Oregon.  An Oregon State trooper once said he’d rather work 10 Grateful Dead concerts than one U. of Oregon football game.

[Jed_]

I am sure people living in the area are paying rent as always.  I'm not sure what you are going on about.

And just how do free snacks, first aid tents, and poetry readings = terrorist?

Because if it didn’t happen, just make it up.  Terrorize your viewers, like John, who verifies nothing.  Then apologize, when you get caught lying.



Fox News Removes Digitally Altered, Misleading Photos of Seattle 'Autonomous Zone' From Website

The irony is if this was a MAGA rally and there was one guy with a gun to provide security. . . . . what am I saying, one guy?  There would be dozens of heavily armed men.

Hundreds of heavily armed men enter the the Michigan capital to protest stay at home and it’s just fine.  Hundreds of counter protesters show up in small town in Ohio and harass and punch a lone peaceful protester, but he deserved it.  Armed militias threaten peaceful protesters like in Albuquerque and it’s okay dokay.  But one guy supports a protest in Seattle carrying a gun, and they all lose their shit.

You can be pro gun and carry anywhere you want, as long as you’re white and support Trump.

[Jed_]

I know MissB points out the evils of whataboutism, but I don’t see it that way.  I see it as shedding a light on hypocrisy.

[joan1984]

  Is downtown Seattle a OpenCarry legal zone? If that is the case, and the persons are carrying unloaded firearms openly, and meet any other conditions of such a law, then they are in compliance, obeying the law.

  That has been the case at demonstrations where protesters were openly armed, inside the State House as you noted in one case, and those protesters were within the law when they were protesting, or arrests would have resulted, and been expected to happen, to uphold the local LAW.

  I was, and am, unaware that the occupiers of some seized city blocks of homes and businesses and streets are within local law at all, and that the local law there includes open carry of firearms. Does the local law state such openly carried firearms be unloaded? Do citizens who carry need some special training in Washington State, and do they carry some documentation to certify the local law in that regard?

  Just wondered, and if they are fully legal, then I withdraw any complaint.

[_priapism]

Just wondered, and if they are fully legal, then I withdraw any complaint.