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Reply #40 on: March 10, 2019, 05:18:10 AM

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Reply #41 on: March 10, 2019, 04:13:14 PM
Those quotes seem to indicate that too many Americans neither know the past nor would understand the implication of those quotes, vis a vis our current POTUS.

Most of the younger generation seem to get their news on social media and take what it written as the truth. Probably why politicians now use social media more and more instead of writing opinion pieces in newspapers, magazines, etc.

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Reply #42 on: March 10, 2019, 07:23:39 PM

Most of the younger generation seem to get their news on social media and take what it written as the truth. Probably why politicians now use social media more and more instead of writing opinion pieces in newspapers, magazines, etc.


As opposed to the older generation who get news via Fox News or Facebook?

Social media is like any other news source.

There are tons of reputable reporters and sources that use social media.  Some have even been suspended when reporting things wrongly on it

Just because you hate it or don't know how to use it doesn't make it bad.

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Reply #43 on: March 10, 2019, 08:07:36 PM
Consider the source, but just because they're "Mainstream Media," or "Fake News" doesn't really mean anything.  It would be a lit simpler for everyone if the fantasy of a 100% reliable source were reality, but honestly, you're going to learn Critical Thinking.  Not "Common Sense," but the mental discipline to sit back, think about what you want to hear, and be skeptical enough to doubt anything that sounds too good to be true.

Once you get in that mindset, the best sources are the ones that cite their sources.  For example, Wikipedia.  Now, there's a lot of people that point out that it's edited by committee, and anyone can get on there to push their agenda, but the important thing is they either list their sources, or explicitly state:  [Citation Needed.]

So, for any subject that you are interested enough in to research, Wikipedia is a good gateway, down the path that leads closer to the truth.  There, you can find links to related articles, and bookmarks to the studies they cite at the bottom.  That's how you Consider the Source.  You look at their source, and their sources...

Or, on the internet, you ask someone to back up their claims, and allegations.  If an article starts with "Studies show..."  Then check the article to see if they show the Studies, or just draw their own conclusions, and expurgate them down to the catch phrase that they think is most likely to get you to click on their headline.

Skepticism isn't doubting every source.  It's doubting every Bias, especially your own.  If you can't look at your own bias, you can't filter it out, and you're guaranteed to find whatever it wants you to hear, somewhere on the internet.

{Note:  All those "You"s are plural.  All yall, anyone who's reading this.  Not you personally.  If you already know all this, then just keep doing what you're doing.}



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Reply #44 on: March 10, 2019, 08:12:12 PM

Just because you hate it or don't know how to use it doesn't make it bad.


That was really uncalled for, as watcher’s comment said neither.  But face it, social media allowed a couple of boys in Macedonia to influence a national election by cranking out fake news for profit.

It’s fast.  It’s cheap.  It’s not subject to editorial review or approval.  And that’s why we wade through a shit pile of posts, tweets, and comments, daily.



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Reply #45 on: March 10, 2019, 08:19:59 PM
Most of the younger generation seem to get their news on social media and take what it written as the truth.

Now, I have to point out some keywords, and translate what they mean, as far as a pervasive attitude that goes back generations:

"It seem that young people..."  To the older generation, who remembers their older generation telling them what they learned from books, newspapers, and the radio...  This is Appeal to Seniority.  Basically, the idea is that I've been around long enough that I know how the world works.  So, sit down kids, and let me explain this to you...

However, first consider the Source.  Where did you learn this from?  The schools, politicians, and journalists weren't infallible, and unbiased, without political agendas of their own, and then all of a sudden become "Politically Correct" some time in the 90s.  

Then, go to your niece, nephew, or some other millennial, and ASK THEM how they feel about all this information.  Streaming in through their smart phones, their hopes for the future, fears about the political climate, and what they do to cope with the possibility of a classmate showing up with 2 semi-automatics and several reloads for each.

Then, compare that with what you want to hear.  We fucked this country up, for them.  The generation that has to clean up our economy, pollution, poor political choices, and sift through all the lies they learned in school back when they still had to hold their hands over their hearts, and recite "One nation, under God..."

Then, tell them their social media are wrong.  As if you know more about Social Media than Millennials do.

But face it, social media allowed a couple of boys in Macedonia to influence a national election by cranking out fake news for profit.

It’s fast.  It’s cheap.  It’s not subject to editorial review or approval.  And that’s why we wade through a shit pile of posts, tweets, and comments, daily.

Yeah, we do.  Some of us are better at it than others.  I personally trust the Critical Thinking of people who grew up, learned to read, and write on smart phones over the Old Dogs, insisting that they don't Need to learn new tricks.

They didn't grow up in a fantasy land, where transpeople didn't exist, women couldn't run for president, and neither could a black man.  They don't have our illusion, because they can't afford them, and your generation is the one that made sure of that.
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Reply #46 on: March 10, 2019, 08:25:12 PM

Just because you hate it or don't know how to use it doesn't make it bad.


That was really uncalled for, as watcher’s comment said neither.

It's not the first time he's attacked social media as a source.

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Reply #47 on: March 10, 2019, 08:58:29 PM

Just because you hate it or don't know how to use it doesn't make it bad.


That was really uncalled for, as watcher’s comment said neither.

It's not the first time he's attacked social media as a source.

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There are plenty of credible trustworthy online news sources.  Social media doesn’t generate content so much as provides a platform for distribution.  The strange thing about the “older generation” is they are more likely to believe fake news, and more likely to repost it, than millenials.  So if older people have a problem with fake news on social media, they really ought to look in the mirror.



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Reply #48 on: March 10, 2019, 09:30:21 PM
There are plenty of credible trustworthy online news sources.


Completely, and absolutely, trustworthy.  Without considering the possibility of making mistakes, bias, or even taking advantage of your trust?

Just like Social Media is assumed to be bullshit "Fake news" and a platform for distribution to ignorant milennials who are too stupid, and ignorant to filter what they read online.

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The strange thing about the “older generation” is they are more likely to believe fake news, and more likely to repost it, than millenials.  So if older people have a problem with fake news on social media, they really ought to look in the mirror.

No, people.  Regardless of age, we don't just outgrow this natural attraction to what we want to hear, while avoiding news we find uncomfortable.  We have to learn to filter our information, from any, and all sources.  We can't just trust the ones we feel are credible, and ignore the ones we dismiss as "Fake News."  We have to check our sources, and our Bias.

And our Privilege, since this has become about being old and wise, while kids these days are so ignorant, and deluded by "Fake News."  It's all Fake News.  All of it, the News is a product to sell a narrative.  No matter how old, or new it is, no matter how young, or old the viewer is, it's up to us to filter the bullshit from the truth.

This generation just has more data to filter.  And more experience in filtering this much information, instead of Trusting CBS, and being skeptical of A/NBC.  That shit didn't even work in Our generation, we just thought it did.

Any source you trust is the one that can lie to you.  Everyone lies, especially the ones you most want to believe in, And That's the News.



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Reply #49 on: March 25, 2019, 03:33:01 PM
Those quotes seem to indicate that too many Americans neither know the past nor would understand the implication of those quotes, vis a vis our current POTUS.




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Reply #50 on: March 28, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
Those quotes seem to indicate that too many Americans neither know the past nor would understand the implication of those quotes, vis a vis our current POTUS.


This reminds me of another old saying.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.