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Reply #100 on: October 08, 2018, 01:11:40 AM

They even said that they are against liberals as well for not being far enough left.


Who said that?  Names, quotes.  Not "The far left even said:"  Bullshit.  Strawman, rhetoic, humbug, and balderdash.  You do realize that you've used that "They said" trick so many times, about so many phantom people that it's meaningless, and predictable,

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You're calling them the "Far left," you are against them, undeniably, because they're "Too far left."  


Again, spend some time on a college campus, or learn more about what's happening on college campuses today, and you'll discover this is a very real phenomenon.

While I don't give credence to labels like "liberal" and "far left," there's a genuine effort by those farther to the left to discredit and dismiss those not as far to the left for "not being liberal enough." In man instances, the target of the ire of those on the far left is not conservatives, but other liberals.


Barb is so right on this one, if my memory of attending SFSU in the mid 80's is correct.

Liberal thought is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality. Yes, this includes freedom of speech. Freedom of speech includes the right to speak via protest as well. However, it does not include violent protest.

There are no conservative thinkers that I would bother protesting in the context of denying them a right to be heard, although I might demonstrate against their policies.  The only group that would raise my ire that much would be NAZI's as they were heard loud and clear during the 30's and 40's, and they don't really have anything more to say IMO.

Yes, they have a right to have their rallies, but I also have the right to tell them to fuck off and go home.  I might even fart in their general direction.

With regards to college campuses, it is not the students legally protesting certain guests that is the problem, and I support their right to do so.  It is the fear of violence that leads University officials to cancel the engagements.

I'm not sure what the answer to this is.  But I don't think curatailing anyone's free speech in favor of the other is the solution.



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Reply #101 on: October 08, 2018, 01:55:48 AM
The only group that would raise my ire that much would be NAZI's as they were heard loud and clear during the 30's and 40's, and they don't really have anything more to say IMO.

I'm pretty much of the same mind, but also extend that to similar groups like the Clan, Incels, Operation Rescue, the ELF, and other groups that use Violence and threats of Violence to prove their point.  If you can't prove your point with words, then you don't have much of an argument.  I'm not against their point, argue it.  Free speech does not extend to assassinations, bombing, and riots.  

Also, excluding anyone (Including white people, even for a day) is Censorship.  I don't count that as highly as violence, but if they can't come to the table, then that's not an even playing field.  That's I get to talk, and you don't.
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