Bernie Sanders is No Longer "Left" According to The Far Left

[Katiebee]

The only ISO I am familiar with is the International Standards Organization.

[IrishGirl]

The only ISO I am familiar with is the International Standards Organization.

The ISO last I checked were Trotsky, the LRP are Mao.  The ACP might as well be the KKK with their un-ironical push for re-segregation as a means to solve Civil Rights programs.

[psiberzerker]

The ISO last I checked were Trotsky, the LRP are Mao.  The ACP might as well be the KKK with their un-ironical push for re-segregation as a means to solve Civil Rights programs.

How?  You just namedropped, basically called 3 different Organizations 3 different names.  How are the ISO like Trotsky.  How are the LRP Mao?  How are the ACP the Klan?  Namecalling is just namecalling. 

[Lois]

The ISO are self described Troskyists, the LRP similary identifies with the teachings of Mao. 

[Katiebee]

Ah, the irony.

[MissBarbara]

They and the Trans community pretty much control campus.  People that were in Bernie or Bust.

And you either have to be trans, or  on the far left, or you're going to get attacked.

Why I switched schools.

Really.  There's a school, anywhere in America, with a powerful enough Transgender community they took over, and "Pretty much control campus?"  (And I haven't heard about this Coup, constantly as it happpened, from all the leaders in the Transgender community I know personally.)

Never mind where, HOW?  How did any of us ever get that much power in the current political climate, when we can't even have NAMES without petitioning the government for years?

This is outright paranoia.  Transphobia.  A textbook Conspiracy Theory, "THEM!"  If we had that kind of Power, we'd have some rights bye now.

I've been in a university environment for close to 20 years, and while the Trans community, has become more vocal (and, in most instances, rightfully so), they don't  control anything. And neither does the "Far Left."

It's true that the strongest, most powerful, and most resonating voices come from the Left, but that's chiefly "whiny Liberalism," and not political liberalism. And hardcore Leftists are seen as little more than quaint.

And all that's notwithstanding the fact that Bernie Sanders is no more a socialist than I am...

[psiberzerker]

And all that's notwithstanding the fact that Bernie Sanders is no more a socialist than I am...

Well, now we get to that label.  (This is an intrinsically Semantic debate.)  What he calls Socialism isn't what Marx, Goebbels, Lenin, Trotski, and Mao called Socialism, but this doesn't even suggest a rigid definition that all Socialists adhere to.

Basically, it suggests a Sociological approach to Governement.  "Of the people, by the people, for the people," is as Social a concept as seize the means of production, and rally the proletariat.  He's a Social Democrat.  He has Sociological Policies, which does not equate to being a dyed (red) in the wool Leninist.  

I have no idea how Socialist you are, Barb.  It's how you define your sociopolitical approach to voting, and which arbitrary direction (Left/right) you idealogically chose to associate with.

Bernie Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist, and direectly opposes what he considers capitalism run amuck.  So at least in thought and words is more socialist than you are, or strives to be.

[IrishGirl]

They and the Trans community pretty much control campus.  People that were in Bernie or Bust.

And you either have to be trans, or  on the far left, or you're going to get attacked.

Why I switched schools.

Really.  There's a school, anywhere in America, with a powerful enough Transgender community they took over, and "Pretty much control campus?"  (And I haven't heard about this Coup, constantly as it happpened, from all the leaders in the Transgender community I know personally.)

Never mind where, HOW?  How did any of us ever get that much power in the current political climate, when we can't even have NAMES without petitioning the government for years?

This is outright paranoia.  Transphobia.  A textbook Conspiracy Theory, "THEM!"  If we had that kind of Power, we'd have some rights bye now.

I've been in a university environment for close to 20 years, and while the Trans community, has become more vocal (and, in most instances, rightfully so), they don't  control anything. And neither does the "Far Left."

It's true that the strongest, most powerful, and most resonating voices come from the Left, but that's chiefly "whiny Liberalism," and not political liberalism. And hardcore Leftists are seen as little more than quaint.

And all that's notwithstanding the fact that Bernie Sanders is no more a socialist than I am...

Absolutely right, they don't.  A few universities have even issued statements promising as much, which is why I switched schools.

[psiberzerker]

In other news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84phU8of02U

[watcher1]

Bernie Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist, and direectly opposes what he considers capitalism run amuck.  So at least in thought and words is more socialist than you are, or strives to be.


Sanders may be a Democratic Socialist but he is spawning a Progressive movement of young, independent  people to run for offices local, state and Federal. Many of his ideas will never become realized but nice to see energized young people running and winning,  beating long time politicians from both parties.

[IrishGirl]

Bernie Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist, and direectly opposes what he considers capitalism run amuck.  So at least in thought and words is more socialist than you are, or strives to be.


Sanders may be a Democratic Socialist but he is spawning a Progressive movement of young, independent  people to run for offices local, state and Federal. Many of his ideas will never become realized but nice to see energized young people running and winning,  beating long time politicians from both parties.

What Sanders wanted is becoming more and more removed from what these people want. 

[Lois]

Bernie Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist, and direectly opposes what he considers capitalism run amuck.  So at least in thought and words is more socialist than you are, or strives to be.


Sanders may be a Democratic Socialist but he is spawning a Progressive movement of young, independent  people to run for offices local, state and Federal. Many of his ideas will never become realized but nice to see energized young people running and winning,  beating long time politicians from both parties.

What Sanders wanted is becoming more and more removed from what these people want. 

If by "these people" you mean any type of Marxist-Leninist, they never really supported Bernie.  They simply used him as a recruiting tool. They always meant to turn on him for being "not pure enough".

Again, cadre organizations only exist to recruit.  They are like evangelicals, but even more cult-like.

[IrishGirl]

Bernie Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist, and direectly opposes what he considers capitalism run amuck.  So at least in thought and words is more socialist than you are, or strives to be.


Sanders may be a Democratic Socialist but he is spawning a Progressive movement of young, independent  people to run for offices local, state and Federal. Many of his ideas will never become realized but nice to see energized young people running and winning,  beating long time politicians from both parties.

What Sanders wanted is becoming more and more removed from what these people want.  

If by "these people" you mean any type of Marxist-Leninist, they never really supported Bernie.  They simply used him as a recruiting tool. They always meant to turn on him for being "not pure enough".

Again, cadre organizations only exist to recruit.  They are like evangelicals, but even more cult-like.

I think by "these people" I'm also including people that legitimately think that Trump could possibly be worse than W.  People that honestly believe that the OK sign is part of a racist conspiracy flashed between cops and politicians like a gang sign used by a racist Illuminati.  People that think that you can retroactively revoke consent years after giving it.  People that think that songs and thongs will make men rape women.  People that think that movies will make people kill people. People that think that video games make people kill people.  People that think that they do NOT have the right to be offended.   People that think "Blazing Saddles" and "All in the Family" are examples of racism.  People that think that equality of outcome is better than merit.  People that believe that what you identify as means anything more than fuck all.  People that defend the remake of "Ghost Busters."  People that defend remakes for any reason.  People that get their news from Vox and think it's not bias.  People that actually think "The Last Jedi" was better than "Empire," People that believe that 9-11 was an inside job.  People that think designated hitters do NOT ruin the game. Yankees fans.  And anyone that listens to and enjoys Cold Play...

...You know, idiots.

[psiberzerker]

So, people who actually think exactly the way that you tell us they think?

That would be no one.  A figment of your imagination. 

"They" don't vote.

[Lois]

I agree with psi. I've never herd of a movement to retroactively revoke consent years after it was given.

However, I have heard of "buyers remorse."  This is when a woman claims rape the day after they engaged is consensual sex.  I have a good freind that is being accused of this. I think that when she told her friends she had sex with a guy with a colostomy bag her friends said eeeeew, how disgusting!

I know other friends that have had sex with him, and they don't belive he raped either.  It has not been reported to police, but it has blown up on social media.

[IrishGirl]

Here's a fairly decent op-ed...given that you seem to be detached about what's going on

http://time.com/5395131/college-bias-kavanaugh-diversity/

[psiberzerker]

Here's a fairly decent op-ed...given that you seem to be detached about what's going on.

Instead of adressing the points you raised, about retroactively revoking consent, and the demographic with the least social power in American history (Want to see the laws explicitely banning mention of our Existence?) taking over your school, and forcing you to flee in terror?

Or you want us to read an op-ed you already posting about how YOU learned bias in college?  You're the only college student here.  Is that an excuse for why you're so biased?  

They certainly weren't teaching me that, when I got my Engineering degree.  What exactly are you studying in that school, that's safely devoid of transpeople with rights?