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on: December 04, 2016, 07:59:27 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/d-d-as-a-path-to-female-empowerment-keeping-the-creep-in-halloween-and-stop-making-police-cars-so-menacing-1.3821006/it-s-time-to-say-goodbye-to-the-single-family-house-1.3824776


Oh this topic really makes me want a safe space!


Social engineers who loathe the concept of private property ownership wanting us to live in communes.


"But Nathan Lauster says not only are single family homes overrated, they're also harmful to the health of a city."



How the fuck in gerbil fuck almighty is me having my own fucking backyard harmful to the health of the city?



"They tend to be quite isolating for people; they tend to really valorize private space at the cost of real public space where people can get out and meet other people who are different than themselves."




Getting out and meeting people is a choice, not a opportunity/constraint based on home ownership choice





"As a result, the UBC sociology professor, who also calls Vancouver home, says single family housing is a "sap" on urban vitality"






Oh, please do enlighten. How does having my own home "sap" your urban fucking vitality  komrade?





"Ironically, Lauster also sees his city as one that can lead the way when it comes to how cities approach planning alternatives to single family housing."





I'm fine with this alternative provided it is truly an "alternative" and not the only choice you leave people.




"I think mixed use is a great idea. It gives people a place to go, to walk, to bike, to meet their neighbours, in a very sort of public setting and to share a broader sense of home in terms of that inter-mixture."







Mixed idea is good for some people but not all. Either way, I'm fine with you promoting this and encouraging people to voluntarily choose to live in a stacked cage box, but allow people choices. More enforced social engineering is neither required or welcome.
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Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 10:01:11 AM
Put your tampon back on and calm down. :P

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Reply #2 on: December 04, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
Having lived in apartment buildings in the inner city and other parts of the city until I married, I can say I much prefer a house with a small yard over hearing neighbors arguing and fighting every night.

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Reply #3 on: December 04, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
It's hard for every man to be a king in his own home if the home is not his own.



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Reply #4 on: December 04, 2016, 07:34:26 PM
Having lived in apartment buildings in the inner city and other parts of the city until I married, I can say I much prefer a house with a small yard over hearing neighbors arguing and fighting every night.


Agreed. Developers like pushing high rise condos because the profit margins are higher than for detached houses, and since most of the people in urban planning are hardcore socialists (everyone that I've ever spoken to anyway), who loathes detached housing and wants everyone in collectives, co-ops and such with no individual back yards but collective "shared yard spaces", the two seem to work together to eliminate detached home ownership.

Many of the environmental arguments against urban sprawl have faced challenges, and since sprawl keeps housing prices down (while high density living drives them up) and we have an affordability crisis in Canada, it baffles me that we still try to pack people into stacked cage type high rises.

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Reply #5 on: December 05, 2016, 02:00:15 AM
Having lived in apartment buildings in the inner city and other parts of the city until I married, I can say I much prefer a house with a small yard over hearing neighbors arguing and fighting every night.


Or the neighbor who seems to play loud music every night.

In addition to this, it's nice just to be able to leave ones home without having to wait for an elevator.

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Reply #6 on: December 05, 2016, 07:56:02 AM
It's not social engineering, so much as corporate greed that is killing single family home ownership.  It's at an all time low in the modern era.  Housing prices are too high, and savings accounts are too low.


Agreed, however too many well meaning people tend to unwittingly serve the needs of the corporations. Too many questionable studies have been release that say that "suburbia" is bad for the environment, and that the only way to save the trees and the birds is to enforce high density living in the city. Subsequently many people who may mean well tend to attack suburban development without realising the affordability implications of high density living and how this serves the needs of the very 1% they proclaim to stand against.

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Reply #7 on: December 05, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
In Silicon Valley, the average wage is over $100,000. per year but the average cost of a family home is upward of $900,000. Some companies are starting to help their workers afford to live near their work by financing some of their mortgage.   Hard to fathom how anyone can afford to live in California.

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Reply #8 on: December 05, 2016, 07:13:47 PM
In Silicon Valley, the average wage is over $100,000. per year but the average cost of a family home is upward of $900,000. Some companies are starting to help their workers afford to live near their work by financing some of their mortgage.   Hard to fathom how anyone can afford to live in California.


In Vancouver, the average dual income family earns $70,000. The average house price is $2,000,000. People have quit their jobs and moved out of the province often to look for work because rent had become so high and they knew they would never be able to afford a down payment and would rent forever.

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Reply #9 on: December 09, 2016, 08:45:32 AM
Vancouver real estate prices are absurd due to a "perfect storm" of inflationary conditions. 
It is one of the nicest locations in the country, so most of the population of Canada would move there if they could, and many are willing to make sacrifices to live there.
Its size is constrained by the mountains to the north, the ocean to the west, the US border to the south and the desire to maintain some of the country's most productive farmland to the east. 
And then there is a bunch of foreign money really pushing things into overdrive.

You can't blame high density housing for this.  It is an effect of stratospheric land values, not a cause.  The cause is restricted supply and high demand.  Housing affordability in Vancouver would be improved if they rezoned most of the city to permit higher density development.  Housing affordability across the world would improve if the global population stopped increasing.

Sprawl has costs beyond destroying farmland or natural areas.  I normally walk or bike to work and every time I find myself in a car during rush hour I am amazed that people can put up with traffic for an hour or more every day, when being stuck at a single intersection for more than one light cycle has me road raging.  I also don't miss the 2 hours a day I used to spend on buses and trains as a student living with my parents in the suburbs.  Some people will be more than willing to sacrifice a yard to eliminate commuting headaches and the associated costs.  I consider myself fortunate that my city has a significant amount of affordable single family housing close to the core (the so-called "inner city") so I get the best of both worlds. 





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Reply #10 on: December 09, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
I really like your attitude, Lev, it's very refreshing. I remember one of our Presidents [George Bush the father?] instituted a "national" day where people left their cars at home, walked, rode a bike, take a bus, I can't remember that exact details. But most Americans basically gave him the f-cking finger and used their cars on that day anyway. -shrugs-

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Reply #11 on: December 14, 2016, 01:16:36 AM
Vancouver real estate prices are absurd due to a "perfect storm" of inflationary conditions.  
It is one of the nicest locations in the country, so most of the population of Canada would move there if they could, and many are willing to make sacrifices to live there.
Its size is constrained by the mountains to the north, the ocean to the west, the US border to the south and the desire to maintain some of the country's most productive farmland to the east.  
And then there is a bunch of foreign money really pushing things into overdrive.

You can't blame high density housing for this.  It is an effect of stratospheric land values, not a cause.  The cause is restricted supply and high demand.  Housing affordability in Vancouver would be improved if they rezoned most of the city to permit higher density development.  Housing affordability across the world would improve if the global population stopped increasing.

Sprawl has costs beyond destroying farmland or natural areas.  I normally walk or bike to work and every time I find myself in a car during rush hour I am amazed that people can put up with traffic for an hour or more every day, when being stuck at a single intersection for more than one light cycle has me road raging.  I also don't miss the 2 hours a day I used to spend on buses and trains as a student living with my parents in the suburbs.  Some people will be more than willing to sacrifice a yard to eliminate commuting headaches and the associated costs.  I consider myself fortunate that my city has a significant amount of affordable single family housing close to the core (the so-called "inner city") so I get the best of both worlds.  





Vancouver is unique amongst Canada's housing markets as you say because it is contained by sea, mountains and borders, but that is one city. Most other cities can allow for sprawl. As for the foreign money pouring in, I fully agree, and have been quite vocal in my opposition to it.

That said, on a general basis, high density anti sprawl policies do in fact restrict the supply of land and thus drive up the cost of housing. While Vancouver does have some unique circumstances, most other cities can see a large amount of pressure taken off of housing prices just by allowing for more sprawl.

The fact is, if Canada is determined to maintain its current obsession with population growth (Justin plans on increasing immigration to triple our population yet has not pointed out how this will be good for the economic well being of the average Canadian), we will need to compensate by increasing the supply of developable land.
What evidence is there to support your suggestion that increased density zoning will do a better job of addressing housing affordability than sprawl?

As for the destruction attributed to sprawl, there has been a growing amount of research on the area of sustainable suburban development which shows that urban sprawl and the suburban dream can be sustainable with proper planning.

As for your not understanding why some would choose a commuting over a quick bike ride. The best thing is to allow for both sprawl and high density living in the city so both target markets can chose which they prefer. You might sacrifice some yard space to avoid high commuting costs, but I would do the commute to have a detached house in the burbs.

Again, sprawl gets a bad name, mostly because there has only been research against it until recently and now some of the newer research is providing a counterbalance to that. Allow for both sprawl and high density, and each group can have their choice of preferred living space and you create affordability without subsidization.
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