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on: June 25, 2016, 07:56:11 PM
This is huge.  Warrantless breathalyzer tests are still ok, but this is the least reliable of the tests measuring blood alcohol.  I wonder if this means I'll be looking for a new job again soon.  I am currently working in the AZ Dept of Transportation.  I assist the hearing officers in license suspension disputes arising from refusals to submit to blood testing in DUI cases.  If I do loose my job, please wish me luck in gaining new employment quickly.

However, I do support this decision.  Personally, I've always been a bit squigged out when it comes to needles.  The idea that a cop might demand I submit a blood test in a suspected DUI (or just to fuck with me) has always freaked me out.

The following is a very long article, so I've only posted in part.  You can go to the article at the link to read the whole thing.


SCOTUS Rules DUI Blood Tests Require Search Warrant, But Breath Tests Do Not
DOUG MATACONIS

Earlier this week, the Supreme Court ruled that warrants are required for blood tests in connection with a DUI investigation but that warrantless breath tests are acceptable:

The Supreme Court on Thursday said that police must obtain a warrant before requiring a suspected drunk driver to submit to a blood alcohol test.

In a divided opinion, the court made a distinction between blood tests, which require the piercing of the skin, and breath tests, which it found are not particularly painful, intrusive or embarrassing.

The case arose after several states cracked down on drunk drivers by imposing criminal penalties, in addition to revoking licenses, for those who refuse to undergo testing when stopped by police. The question for the court was whether officers must obtain warrants to perform such tests.

In its opinion, the court tried to find a middle ground in balancing the government’s interest in promoting public safety on roads with individual privacy rights.

“The impact of breath tests on privacy is light, and the need for BAC [blood alcohol content] testing is great,” Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. wrote for the court’s majority. He was joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Elena Kagan and Stephen G. Breyer.

In contrast, blood tests are “significantly more intrusive” and do not justify violating Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches. The breath tests, Alito added, are “no more demanding than blowing up a party balloon.”

The court’s decision means that suspected drunk drivers can be arrested for refusing to submit to breath tests, but not for refusing a blood test.

The majority found that states are justified in trying to prevent drunken driving and pointed to statistics that show tougher laws corresponding with a decrease in alcohol-related fatalities from about 25,000 a year in the early 1980s to fewer than 10,000 in 2014. Alcohol consumption, Alito noted, is a leading cause of traffic fatalities and injuries.

During oral arguments in April, the attorney for three drivers from North Dakota and Minnesota said states cannot force people to give up their Fourth Amendment protection against warrantless searches.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, agreed, finding that warrants should be required for both breath and blood testing.


For the full article and SC Opinion:  http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/scotus-rules-dui-blood-tests-require-search-warrant-but-breath-tests-do-not/



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Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 08:04:43 PM
I would be concerned with a blood test.
I'm the same as you, I hate needles.
And the courts are right it is an invasive test, they are placing something in your body. Further, They (police) have to take you to a hospital for the test, it's not something that can be done on the side of the road. Another thing that scares me (and I would never want to see it ever) is "what if" they took you to the police station and a police officer drew the blood..??.....I would fight tooth and nail against it, not to mention sue the police if they did it wrong and jabbed me with a needle and missed the vein.

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Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 08:51:25 PM
Good point.  I met folks with a dreaded distaste, bordering on a phobia, of hospitals.



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Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 12:33:46 AM

Never blow.



Do not blow.



That's the first time in recorded history that a guy said that...  ;)






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Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 02:42:55 AM

While you're waiting in vain for that apology, why don't you make yourself useful by getting on your knees and opening your mouth


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Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 02:50:15 AM
I would be concerned with a blood test.
I'm the same as you, I hate needles.
And the courts are right it is an invasive test, they are placing something in your body.

I agree

That said, I think it would generally be easier just to not mix alcohol and driving.

While you're waiting in vain for that apology, why don't you make yourself useful by getting on your knees and opening your mouth


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Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 09:29:19 AM
That would be the smart thing to do.



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Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 11:47:23 AM
In the UK, you must give a breath sample if requested to by the police.

If you refuse, you are arrested for failing to provide a sample when requested.

If you fail the roadside test, you are taken back to the station to take a much more precise (and legally admissible) breath test.  Blood tests are not routine.

You may, though, request a blood test instead of (or as well as) the breath test, for instance if you have asthma that prevents you giving a breath sample, or you have had a drink recently enough that the breath test might be artificially high.





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Reply #8 on: June 27, 2016, 07:47:59 AM
I suspect the police will find a way to work around this situation.  All they need to do is hire a Judge to issue warrants on an on call basis.

I am heading to work tomorrow and will let people know what I learn about the situation.



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Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 02:13:00 PM
Never blow.

Never do a field sobriety.

Never allow an interview.

Just ask for a lawyer, once you enter "suspicion of DUI" land.

You have no obligation to help the state build a case against you.

Just politely say (without slurring), "I am not refusing to cooperate.  But I am refusing to do anything until I have spoken with my lawyer."

Remember, we live in the day of body mics and dash cams.  Do not get out of the car and have them film you.  Do not blow.

So when I say I'm refusing to do anything until I talk to my attorney and the officer asks me to step out of the car..........   what then?     When I say no, I can see it going down hill fast for me.   Especially after I just handed him my ID and concealed weapon permit. 
We're not all going to sit there twiddling our thumbs waiting for my lawyer to pick up his phone.
Do I get my lawyer on the phone?  Or let them transport me to the station to call my lawyer?
Maybe I should just call my lawyer now for advice.   hahaha. 
Not that I plan on getting blasted and hopping behind the wheel.   But there have been many times I've had one drink and driven home.

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Reply #10 on: June 27, 2016, 03:58:36 PM
Here is some information on how the cops may be advised to handle things:  http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=3002&issue_id=82013



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Reply #11 on: June 28, 2016, 06:52:22 AM
It seems that this will not effect my job much as the Tucson Police department has always obtained warrants for blood tests.



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Reply #12 on: June 29, 2016, 03:18:11 AM
I was chatting with an officer today. It seems our Police Department always gets warrants, because a certain Judge bought the "I was too drunk to give consent" defense a couple of times.  :emot_weird:



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Reply #13 on: June 29, 2016, 03:21:47 AM
I was chatting with an officer today. It seems our Police Department always gets warrants, because a certain Judge bought the "I was too drunk to give consent" defense a couple of times.  :emot_weird:

Incredible..........
Stopped for being drunk, then too drunk to give consent over being drunk.
That stuff must drive the police crazy........

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