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on: March 31, 2016, 04:05:39 AM

I moved to Texas years ago to alleviate my sinus problems.  Back in Phoenix I was taking over 20 doses of prescription-strength Sudafed + 800mg Mucinex per week.  That, plus pouring around 4 ounces of salt water up my nose nearly every day, as it helped to relieve some of the fluid pressure AND it washed that Sonoran desert dust out of my head.

There's been a regular radio ad on KDGE (the local alternative station in Dallas) for the last couple of weeks for some freaking nasal spray that's "just like Ocean".  I don't care what they're charging, it's still a rip-off.  Ocean is $5.99 for a 3.5oz bottle, which works out to nearly $200USD per gallon.  Eff that, you can make it yourself at home.

500ml (16oz or 1 pint) bottle of spring water (NOT 'filtered' water, as that still has chlorine or chloramine in it!)
2 level teaspoons of sea salt (it works better than pure salt... trust me on this)
1/4 teaspoon of baking soda (as a mild buffer - it reduces the irritation)

That's almost exactly the formulation for 'Ocean', although they throw preservatives in it so it lasts on the store shelf essentially forever.  Preservatives (read: organic toxins) aren't anything that you want blowing into your sensitive mucous membranes.  Same with chlorine / chloramine.  The DIY version is healthier AND about 100 times cheaper.  I've been making it at home for decades, and the above recipe is just about perfect.  It'll last for a few months if you keep the left-overs in the refrigerator, but warm it up to room temperature before you use it.  If you're doing a daily lavage like I used to, then you can leave it on the bathroom counter.  It won't go bad in a week.


Don't fall for advertising claims: sea water is damned near free if you're doing it at home.  A full nasal lavage for me takes 4 or 5 ounces of saline, so I'd have gone broke buying that pricey store-bought junk at $200/gallon.  The most expensive part of MY recipe is high-quality bottled spring water, at $0.50 per 500ml bottle.

By the way, my recipe is virtually identical to sea water.  I've dived (LOTS!) and can tell what it feels like.  Sea water is called 'hypertonic saline', or more salty than your blood.  If you want to make 'isotonic saline', cut the salt to 1 teaspoon per 500ml of water.  Hypertonic works to draw fluid out of inflamed tissue, so it helps reduce any swelling.  Isotonic would be a simple wash, since it's the same salinity as your blood.  I fill up a rubber ear bulb, block one nostril and pump it up the other nostril until it flows down into my throat.  Switch nostrils and repeat.  Tip your head almost upside down to let it drain back out of your lower sinuses, blow your nose a few times, and viola!  It's perfectly safe, and non-addictive.

edit: Before I started making it myself, I tried buying saline at the pharmacy.  They wouldn't sell me a 3 liter IV bag, as THAT REQUIRED A PRESCRIPTION.  It would have been cheaper than 'Ocean' and it's cousins, but fuck me if I was going to get a doctor's note so I could buy salt water.  I asked the pharmacist if he didn't think it was unusually silly to require a prescription for sea water, but he wasn't amused.

If you have a DIY alternative to overpriced store-bought crap, feel free to kick in with your ideas.  I'm always open to saving money.  :D
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 04:20:24 AM by RopeFiend »

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Reply #1 on: March 31, 2016, 05:27:43 AM

I moved to Texas years ago to alleviate my sinus problems.  Back in Phoenix I was taking over 20 doses of prescription-strength Sudafed + 800mg Mucinex per week.  That, plus pouring around 4 ounces of salt water up my nose nearly every day, as it helped to relieve some of the fluid pressure AND it washed that Sonoran desert dust out of my head.

There's been a regular radio ad on KDGE (the local alternative station in Dallas) for the last couple of weeks for some freaking nasal spray that's "just like Ocean".  I don't care what they're charging, it's still a rip-off.  Ocean is $5.99 for a 3.5oz bottle, which works out to nearly $200USD per gallon.  Eff that, you can make it yourself at home.

500ml (16oz or 1 pint) bottle of spring water (NOT 'filtered' water, as that still has chlorine or chloramine in it!)
2 level teaspoons of sea salt (it works better than pure salt... trust me on this)
1/4 teaspoon of baking soda (as a mild buffer - it reduces the irritation)

That's almost exactly the formulation for 'Ocean', although they throw preservatives in it so it lasts on the store shelf essentially forever.  Preservatives (read: organic toxins) aren't anything that you want blowing into your sensitive mucous membranes.  Same with chlorine / chloramine.  The DIY version is healthier AND about 100 times cheaper.  I've been making it at home for decades, and the above recipe is just about perfect.  It'll last for a few months if you keep the left-overs in the refrigerator, but warm it up to room temperature before you use it.  If you're doing a daily lavage like I used to, then you can leave it on the bathroom counter.  It won't go bad in a week.


Don't fall for advertising claims: sea water is damned near free if you're doing it at home.  A full nasal lavage for me takes 4 or 5 ounces of saline, so I'd have gone broke buying that pricey store-bought junk at $200/gallon.  The most expensive part of MY recipe is high-quality bottled spring water, at $0.50 per 500ml bottle.

By the way, my recipe is virtually identical to sea water.  I've dived (LOTS!) and can tell what it feels like.  Sea water is called 'hypertonic saline', or more salty than your blood.  If you want to make 'isotonic saline', cut the salt to 1 teaspoon per 500ml of water.  Hypertonic works to draw fluid out of inflamed tissue, so it helps reduce any swelling.  Isotonic would be a simple wash, since it's the same salinity as your blood.  I fill up a rubber ear bulb, block one nostril and pump it up the other nostril until it flows down into my throat.  Switch nostrils and repeat.  Tip your head almost upside down to let it drain back out of your lower sinuses, blow your nose a few times, and viola!  It's perfectly safe, and non-addictive.

edit: Before I started making it myself, I tried buying saline at the pharmacy.  They wouldn't sell me a 3 liter IV bag, as THAT REQUIRED A PRESCRIPTION.  It would have been cheaper than 'Ocean' and it's cousins, but fuck me if I was going to get a doctor's note so I could buy salt water.  I asked the pharmacist if he didn't think it was unusually silly to require a prescription for sea water, but he wasn't amused.

If you have a DIY alternative to overpriced store-bought crap, feel free to kick in with your ideas.  I'm always open to saving money.  :D

I have a problem with my sinuses. One side will clog while I lay on my side, so I turn over to unclog it only for the other to clog. My wife hated it. Then I bought a nasal spray at the dollar tree and it unclogs my sinuses for 12 hours and I don't toss and turn anymore.

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Reply #2 on: April 01, 2016, 02:31:15 AM

If your nasal spray is some type of saline, then you're still paying 10 to 20 times as much at the dollar store as I am by making it at home.  Heck, if you already have baking soda, then all you need is sea salt and water.  It's practically free... the cost of two of the dollar store variety buys LOTS of sea salt, and the water is up to you.  At a dollar for a (3oz?) spray, you're paying almost $40 per gallon.  I'm paying about 2 bucks per gallon for water, and the salt and baking soda are essentially free since it needs so little of each.

You can RO (reverse osmosis) water from the tap, but I don't recommend that route.  The RO membrane itself doesn't remove chloramine, it's the carbon pre-filters that do, and it's a dicey proposition with such a small filter pack.  The slow transfer time due to the membrane helps, but a much bigger pre-filter pack would be more reliable.  Stack a couple of good cartridge filters before the RO unit and that would probably work OK.  If you don't already have an RO filter, then forget about removing chloramines, as it's not cost-effective unless you're serious about removing 'em.  Whole-house chloramine removal costs upwards of $1000 and has a moderately high yearly maintenance cost.  I'll bathe in tap water, but I won't drink it.

The EPA keeps saying "chloramines are SAFE!", but I've proved that's not true for me.

If the spray you're buying is NOT saline, then I have some bad news: you're hooked.  Oxymetazoline is as addictive as heroin.  3 days and you get a rebound addiction (you're worse without it than before you started, and it takes MORE to keep you clear).  My parents and both brothers were all addicted... little bro probably still is.

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Reply #3 on: April 01, 2016, 03:17:04 AM

If your nasal spray is some type of saline, then you're still paying 10 to 20 times as much at the dollar store as I am by making it at home.  Heck, if you already have baking soda, then all you need is sea salt and water.  It's practically free... the cost of two of the dollar store variety buys LOTS of sea salt, and the water is up to you.  At a dollar for a (3oz?) spray, you're paying almost $40 per gallon.  I'm paying about 2 bucks per gallon for water, and the salt and baking soda are essentially free since it needs so little of each.

You can RO (reverse osmosis) water from the tap, but I don't recommend that route.  The RO membrane itself doesn't remove chloramine, it's the carbon pre-filters that do, and it's a dicey proposition with such a small filter pack.  The slow transfer time due to the membrane helps, but a much bigger pre-filter pack would be more reliable.  Stack a couple of good cartridge filters before the RO unit and that would probably work OK.  If you don't already have an RO filter, then forget about removing chloramines, as it's not cost-effective unless you're serious about removing 'em.  Whole-house chloramine removal costs upwards of $1000 and has a moderately high yearly maintenance cost.  I'll bathe in tap water, but I won't drink it.

The EPA keeps saying "chloramines are SAFE!", but I've proved that's not true for me.

If the spray you're buying is NOT saline, then I have some bad news: you're hooked.  Oxymetazoline is as addictive as heroin.  3 days and you get a rebound addiction (you're worse without it than before you started, and it takes MORE to keep you clear).  My parents and both brothers were all addicted... little bro probably still is.

I don't give a shit what's in it, I don't toss and turn all night anymore and it shuts my wife up.

"Stand up for a few minutes and unclog your nose, white girl, I'm tired!"

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Reply #4 on: April 01, 2016, 04:28:07 AM
HYPP is a genetic disease found mostly in Quarter Horse's and some other breeds that have bloodlines crossed with Quarter Horses. I have one horse that is positive for HYPP. The treatment is with a drug called Acetazolamide it is extremely expensive. When I first got "Blue" seventeen years ago and discovered that he was positive for it, the medication was $35.00 dollars a bottle (he goes through 2 1/2 bottles a month)....at the present time the drug manufactures have jacked up the price to $200.00 dollars a bottle. This is one of the  most expensive drugs on the market for the equine industry. (you get 100 pills per bottle).

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Reply #5 on: April 01, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
My Uncle raised Quarter Horses and I've never heard of that disease.  I'm guessing he was fortunate enough to not have to deal with it.

As for nasal spray, RopeFiend is somewhat right. I don't believe Oxymetazoline is addictive, or at least I've never found it to be.  But if used too often, I find it causes MORE congestion, and ceases to be effective.  It is key to use it just once every 24 hours.  And the moment it starts causing more congestion and stops working, stop using it.  For me this means using it no more than three days in a row.

From https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a608026.html

If you use oxymetazoline nasal spray for more often or for longer than the recommended period of time, your congestion may get worse or may improve but come back. Do not use oxymetazoline nasal spray for longer than 3 days. If your symptoms do not get better after 3 days of treatment, stop using oxymetazoline and call your doctor.