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on: December 13, 2015, 04:21:22 PM

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Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 06:47:07 PM
So, Russia over-reacts to a fishing boat over a quarter of a mile from a warship, and somehow you're trying to blame Obama..?





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Reply #2 on: December 13, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: IdleBoast on December 13, 2015, 06:47:07 PM
So, Russia over-reacts to a fishing boat over a quarter of a mile from a warship, and somehow you're trying to blame Obama..?
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 I don't see any blame being placed here other than the troll-like response posted by you.  I enjoy the humor most folks can display on this site and it is a shame there are trolls here who can't appreciate humor for what it is.


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Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
 :D
The USS Obama..??
Does it even float in water...??
 :emot_laughing:

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Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 09:31:06 PM
Ignoring the rest of it, the US doesn't name ships for sitting presidents. We leave that to ego maniacs like Putin.

Considering the crap Russia pulls, his is just a distraction in their part. Anyone remember the rRussian military aircraft incursion into US airspace a year ago? Russian Bear bombers carry nukes, and they are crying about a fishing trawler?


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Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 05:32:56 AM
I think we need to consider our news sources carefully.  RT stands for Russia Today.  It is a Russian news service.  I would see this story an offering of a Russian perspective.  That does not mean it is bad or wrong, but I would like to see a more neutral source in this situation.


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Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 06:49:13 AM

Since it was only Russians and Turks in the area where it occurred, where are you going to get an unbiased report from?

Sounds like the Turks were playing pissing games; if the sun was up (time isn't specified, just 'morning') then they couldn't have missed the destroyer.  Dunno 'bout you, but I wouldn't want to fuck with a destroyer.


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Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 12:40:23 PM
I think this is going to play out as a game of revenge for shooting down the Russian Aircraft. I sincerely doubt that we have heard the last of this. What's worse is that the principal antagonizer seems to be the Turks. They are playing a very dangerous game.

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Reply #8 on: December 14, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
So is Russia. An attack on one NATO member is an attack on all members. We stand behind Turkey, so Putin is playing the Cuba missle crisis with a twist.

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Reply #9 on: December 14, 2015, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Katiebee on December 14, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
So is Russia. An attack on one NATO member is an attack on all members. We stand behind Turkey, so Putin is playing the Cuba missle crisis with a twist.

I'm not so sure about that.
Turkey may be a NATO country, But Turkey is the problem here not Russia.
I really wonder if NATO would come to the rescue of ANY NATO COUNTRY, if that country was the cause of the initial problem and then continued to antagonize another Country. Using NATO to rescue Turkey seems like an attempt by Turkey to make themselves look like to poor defenseless country being picked on back the Big Bad Russian. (In essence Turkey caused all of this and their deliberate antagonizing of Russia is only because they have NATO behind them).

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Reply #10 on: December 14, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Russia, be it Soviet or the current Russian government have always been careless of smaller nations they have thought they could bully.

And yes, we either go all in, or NATO falls apart. It is an all or nothing proposition.

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Reply #11 on: December 14, 2015, 05:04:16 PM
I agree with the "all or nothing" aspect of NATO.

The purpose of NATO came about from the Cold War era.  All the countries signed up as the thought of the many countries could deter aggression by the one (USSR).  One never knows what happens behind the scenes with the diplomats but if it comes to a shooting war then NATO as a whole has to step up.  If they choose not to then what guarantee is there the next time something like this comes up? 

Lets hope the shooting is all behind the scenes with hot air and not lead!  Tired of having to send people to die because of politics and some blowhard with his finger on the button!


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Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 06:13:29 PM
I have to disagree.......
NATO was set up as a defensive program to "protect" the countries that join it.
It purpose is to stop aggression against NATO Countries.
If Turkey were to Start a war with Russia (as example) I don't believe the other NATO Countries would join "into" a war, if a NATO country started it.
Simply because you are a NATO country doesn't obligate you to join into a war that another NATO country Starts, It does obligate you to defend another NATO Country from aggression, (meaning first attack).
If Turkey were to suddenly declare war on Russia....I seriously doubt that any other country would join/follow Turkey in to a War.

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Reply #13 on: December 14, 2015, 07:43:41 PM
I misspoke or forgot to add that point.  NATO is a defensive group, not into making war.  Thank you for clarifying that point.


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Reply #14 on: December 14, 2015, 07:53:58 PM
I don't think Turkey has much to worry about. Unlike most Countries that Russia bullies the Turks have a highly professional modern military. Russia would have an extremely hard time fighting them. You have to remember that all is not what meets the eye with the Russian military as well. A lot of their equipment is still junk left over from the cold war that is prone to breaking. I would venture to guess that only the elite units have the really good stuff.


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Reply #15 on: December 14, 2015, 08:51:04 PM
The T-90 and T-90A are two of the most advanced Main Battle Tanks in The World.
They are more than a match for the Abrams Tank (and Turkey does not  have any Abrams). While a lot of Russian equipment is later day cold war, they are picking up speed on upgrade's to their Ground Forces Equipment. However their greatest resource is their manpower, they far out number the Turks in Armies alone.

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Reply #16 on: December 14, 2015, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: watasch on December 13, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: IdleBoast on December 13, 2015, 06:47:07 PM
So, Russia over-reacts to a fishing boat over a quarter of a mile from a warship, and somehow you're trying to blame Obama..?
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 I don't see any blame being placed here other than the troll-like response posted by you.  I enjoy the humor most folks can display on this site and it is a shame there are trolls here who can't appreciate humor for what it is.

Oh, humour...  [adds another item to The List].

I do wonder, though - you casually hurl around personal insults, utterly fail to address any actual points being made, and yet it seems your first response to anything that you don't fully approve of seems to be to point and yell "TROLL".

Would that be irony, or hypocrisy?





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Reply #17 on: December 15, 2015, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: Elizabeth on December 14, 2015, 08:51:04 PM
The T-90 and T-90A are two of the most advanced Main Battle Tanks in The World.
They are more than a match for the Abrams Tank (and Turkey does not  have any Abrams). While a lot of Russian equipment is later day cold war, they are picking up speed on upgrade's to their Ground Forces Equipment. However their greatest resource is their manpower, they far out number the Turks in Armies alone.

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Yes, but they would have to maintain supply lines across a longer distance, which makes the advantage in numbers a bit more muted. Organization is something that historically the Russians have never done all that well. They would also have to contend with the superior Air Power and Anti Aircraft of the Turks. Both of which ensure air superiority, and negate the advantage of Russian tanks.  The most likely reality is that it would end up being a stalemate. With neither side decisively beating the other. Anything other than a definite victory is not something Putin is all that keen to get engaged in though. We should also remember that the corruption in Russia ensures a lot of things are not as well built as the specs might lead everyone to believe. Leading to endless breakdowns *Remember the Georgian War?* of equipment.
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Reply #18 on: December 15, 2015, 03:49:43 AM
Traditionally, Russian tanks were designed to wear out and need a major overhaul after being run 1500 kilometers

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