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[joan1984]

Obama Met With Ferguson
Activists – Said He’s Concerned
They “Stay on Course”
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, November 16, 2014, 7:38 PM
 
President Obama met with Ferguson protest leaders on November 5th, the day after the midterm elections. The meeting was not on his daily schedule. He was concerned that the protesters “stay on course.”

What does that mean?

And why is the president meeting with the violent Mike Brown protesters before a verdict is reached in the court case?



The Ferguson protesters have looted over 100 businesses in the St. Louis area.

The New York Times hid this in the 21st paragraph of their report:

    But leaders here say that is the nature of a movement that has taken place, in part, on social media and that does not match an earlier-era protest structure where a single, outspoken leader might have led the way. “This is not your momma’s civil rights movement,” said Ashley Yates, a leader of Millennial Activists United. “This is a movement where you have several difference voices, different people. The person in charge is really — the people. But the message from everyone is the same: Stop killing us.”

    At times, there has been a split between national civil rights leaders and the younger leaders on the ground here, who see their efforts as more immediate, less passive than an older generation’s. But some here said relations have improved in recent weeks.

    Some of the national leaders met with President Obama on Nov. 5 for a gathering that included a conversation about Ferguson.

    According to the Rev. Al Sharpton, who has appeared frequently in St. Louis with the Brown family and delivered a speech at Mr. Brown’s funeral, Mr. Obama “was concerned about Ferguson staying on course in terms of pursuing what it was that he knew we were advocating. He said he hopes that we’re doing all we can to keep peace.”

Obama wants the protesters to stay on course?
Unbelievable.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course/

[joan1984]

Not much rain in the forecast, unfortunately.  Hoodie weather.

[joan1984]

Obama To Act Unilaterally
On Immigration
By Steve Holland and Richard Cowan


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will outline a plan on Thursday to relax U.S. immigration policy for as many as 5 million people, bypassing Congress and angering Republicans.

U.S. Representative Paul Ryan, the leading Republican voice on fiscal policy and a potential 2016 presidential candidate, called the plan a "partisan bomb" while a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner branded the president “Emperor Obama” for acting unilaterally.

The White House said Obama will deliver a televised speech at 8 p.m. ET on Thursday (0100 GMT Friday) laying out the plan followed by a trip to Las Vegas on Friday. Nevada is home to the highest proportion of undocumented immigrants.

Frustrated by years of congressional inaction on what most in Washington agree is a broken immigration system, Obama said he is now prepared to use his executive authority.

Obama's directives are expected to remove the threat of deportation for as many as 5 million of the estimated 11 million people living illegally in the United States.

The decision will cement his legacy as having aided Hispanics who helped elect him in 2008 and who have become increasingly vocal in their frustration that he has failed to live up to his promise to enact immigration reform.

The unilateral overhaul will likely have a ripple effect on the campaign to find a successor to the president in 2016. While Hispanics will no doubt be pleased, Democrats could face a backlash from voters.

Reaction was swift from Republicans who took control of the Senate in Nov. 4 elections and strengthened their grip on the House of Representatives.

While liberal Democrats were thrilled at Obama's decision to move ahead, some moderate voices in Obama's party were uneasy.

"I wish he wouldn't do it," said Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia. "I just wish he wouldn't do it."

Obama will host 18 congressional Democrats at the White House to consolidate support for his immigration plans among his closest allies on Capitol Hill.

Some conservative Republicans have threatened to fight the immigration move by imposing funding restrictions in a must-pass spending bill, which could conceivably lead to a government shutdown.

Republican leaders, however, have stressed they will not allow a shutdown after facing heavy criticism for the last one a year ago.

House Republicans are weighing a range of responses to register their disapproval.

"If 'Emperor Obama' ignores the American people and announces an amnesty plan that he himself has said over and over again exceeds his constitutional authority, he will cement his legacy of lawlessness and ruin the chances for congressional action on this issue and many others," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner.

For a president known for having deported thousands of illegal migrants, the actions he will take mark a dramatic shift in course, although advocacy groups will argue that he should go even further in protecting more people who work low-paying jobs that many American citizens prefer not to do.

Sources close to the administration said Obama is planning to issue a reprieve from deportation that will cover some parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

That initiative would expand on a 2012 executive order by the president that gave relief from deportation and work permits to undocumented children brought to the United States by their parents.

There is also expected to be a border security element and Obama will act to help companies hire and retain high-skilled workers from abroad, the sources said.

Obama's move is his most defiant step yet in reaction to the elections handing control of the Senate to Republicans. The new political order in Washington will test Obama's ability to make compromises with his opponents.

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 48 percent would prefer Obama not act on his own, while 38 percent support it and 14 percent had no opinion or were unsure.

The last major immigration overhaul that expanded the number of legal migrants was in 1986 through legislation signed by Republican President Ronald Reagan. An attempt by President George W. Bush in 2007 for immigration reform failed.

It is not out of the question that Obama early next year could offer to approve the long-stalled Keystone XL pipeline from Canada in exchange for a deal on immigration legislation.

Despite claims that Obama may overstep his executive powers, Stephen Legomsky, a former U.S. immigration official who is now a professor at Washington University law school, said the president's planned action appeared to fit well within the bounds of established law and prosecutorial discretion.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-act-unilaterally-immigration-irking-republicans-000509564.html

[Athos_131]

[Katiebee]

Joan, you are conveniently forgetting that nearly every president from Eisenhower through Bush 43 have used Presidential directives for immigration policy. If Congress had wanted to do anything about immigration, they would have gotten off their fat asses and done so.

[joan1984]

Congress obviously does not want to pass such a comprehensive reform as the President insists upon, certainly not without having a more secure border, certainly not wholesale acceptance of those who have broken our laws by illegal entry, or by staying beyond a tourist visa, confirming their intention was not tourist, but invasion by illegal means. The President is acting by 'making' law, which is not his legal authority in any case.

Government by fiat. Is that what you want? The people tossed as many Democrats as they were able, over this President's policies in the past few years and his threats of unilateral action, and his middle finger to American voters is this action. He needs to be shut down, lest we see even more of this banana republic type behavior.

The media keeps echoing the White House, as if Barack Obama were Ronald Reagan or some other trusted President, when it is simply not true. Ronald Reagan signed and implemented legislation that was sent to him by Congress. Not some lawless act as is this one.

Joan, you are conveniently forgetting that nearly every president from Eisenhower through Bush 43 have used Presidential directives for immigration policy. If Congress had wanted to do anything about immigration, they would have gotten off their fat asses and done so.

[Katiebee]

Congess legislates, that's their job. The president acts, that's his job. That's why it's the executive branch, that's where the job gets done. Nothing the president is doing or says he will do has abrogated the powers, duties, or responsibilities of the legislative branch. He is activist within the limits of his powers.

 You really need to understand how our government functions before you make these wild and fairy tale like pronouncements of what is going on.

But let's get back the canard that the GOP is presenting about a "secure" border.

How the FUCK do they propose to fund this? They seem to think that an impermeable obstacle should be built and that that will stop illegal immigration.

Let's examine this in the cold light of reality.

The border with Mexico stretches some 1933 miles over mountains, hills, and desert.
It has been estimated that to establish a significant barrier along the entire length would cost several hundred billion dollars, if not trillions. That's only to initially build it.

To maintain it would cost several billion in annual funding.

I have had this discussion with my dad and he says that such a barrier is useless as the only item. In military parlance an obstacle that is not covers by constant observation and force is not an obstacle at all. It is an inconvience.

So that means you need to add a budget for manpower and equipment, about the size of 1/2 of the current military budget, and that is a very conservative estimate.

My dad said that the only effective closed border was that established by the East German government. They constantly patrolled. It was covered by multiple barriers includin land mines and guard towers with a border force that was authorized to shoot to kill.

Yet it was also not capable of preventing cross-border incidents.

So I ask again, since the GOP seems to not understand what they are demanding, what the price will be, or how ridiculous their statements are since they want to establish the beginnings of a police state, how are the proposing to fund this boondoogle?

[Lois]

The media keeps echoing the White House, as if Barack Obama were Ronald Reagan or some other trusted President, when it is simply not true. Ronald Reagan signed and implemented legislation that was sent to him by Congress. Not some lawless act as is this one.

Since when was Ronald Reagan a trusted president?  The Reagan administration was one of the most corrupt in American history.   It may be hard to order them exactly, but the contenders for the first, second, third & fourth "most corrupt administrations in American history" are the Republican administrations of Grant, Harding, Nixon and Reagan.

From Wiki:  The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president

This means that Reagan administration officials were not only charged with crimes, they were actually convicted in a court of law.

The most notorious scandal was Iran-Contra.  Yep, the Reagan administration actually broke the law and sold arms to Iran (whom he also called terrorists) and used the profits to buy weapons for the Contras (also terrorists), to whom Congress had specifically prohibited any US assistance be provided.  

Can you get anymore lawless?

I get it Joan.

White criminal Reagan, supporting known terrorists that killed 1,000's = ok

Demonstrators in Ferguson exercising their constitutional rights of free speech and a Black President supporting their rights = Bad, Bad!  

[joan1984]

  Following the existing laws will do the trick, Katiebee. The only thing broken about our immigration system that needs immediate attention is enforcement of the immigration laws, as the President has sworn to do, part of his oath of office, no?

  Has the President included in his budget, when he ever had a budget, the completion of the border fence? He has instead squandered Trillions on self serving schemes with Democrat Party donors, and along with it, strung our economy out for his entire Presidency, waiting for some action, or hope of an action to restore the economy, not this scheme to squander more money, bringing in and making permanent the unskilled folks, many of whom are illiterate in their own language.

  This is the opposite of assimilation. He has been there for six years and counting, with little growth ever implemented, or contemplated.
He had complete control for his first two years, and used that only to shove Obamacare down the throats of the American people, somehow convinced that would benefit the Democrat Party. It has not, and even now, as the long delayed, for political reasons serving his party, the Employer Mandate is about to kick in and destroy further the jobs people may currently have.

[Katiebee]

The border fence is not a credible obstacle without the funding from Congress to maintain and patrol it.

[Lois]

The border fence is not a credible obstacle without the funding from Congress to maintain and patrol it.

And they can still tunnel under, or take a boat.  I suspect it is easier and cheaper to catch people crossing the border out in the open.

[joan1984]

  Nancy Pelosi now has a facial tic... has she had a stroke? WTF is she talking about with Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation being an executive order, and therefore somehow leading up to President Obama taking the Article One power from the Congress, and writing his own version of Immigration Law.

  The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to those States who had left the Union, and did not affect at all the remaining States who were actually under President Lincoln's control. In fact, President Lincoln was clear in saying he had no authority for such a proclamation for States remaining in the Union, and such a move would require a Constitutional Amendment, and he was correct, witness the Thirteenth Amendment.

  Lincoln's Proclamation, as part of his War Powers, was a way to stir discontent in the Confederate States, and not at all a move that was popular with his Congress, or American voters, and Lincoln was a student of the Constitution, rather than being a street agitator, as we have today.

  Reagan was Administering the law passed by Congress, House and Senate, done through the regular order, and sent to his desk to be signed. Bush '41 was Administering the same law, two years later with his action, to better define coverage for families of those initially affected. Neither was creating his own law. Neither one jammed such an action through with a Lame Duck Congress.

  The Republicans have the means and unfortunately not the Will to do the right thing it seems, and seem determined to be liked, albeit not an effective strategy it seems. Thus we seem headed toward a full out Post Constitutional governance, as we regularize whoever they may be, who knows who they are, with wholesale amnesty.

  When their families are imported, flown in at our expense from the Countries such as Guatamala and others, as the Department of State is organizing now. We will have all new children of these aliens as automatic American Citizens, and all the newly legal ones taxing our systems even further than they have in the past.

  Tonight's B.S. about deportations not withstanding, this is a wrong headed move by this President. Let me predict President Obama will tend to veto as many bills as he can to prevent any rationalization of this action. 2 years at a time, we are purging the Congress of those who think actions like this are a good idea, somehow beneficial to the Country. We have just increased the base of Social Security recipients who will retire with that system already stressed.

  Let us hope State Governors will bring the necessary lawsuits to curb this action, and especially further such actions, and get this lost President back into his box.

  May the Democrats pay in spades for such behavior.

[Katiebee]

A year and a half for the GOP in the House to take action on the Bill passed by the Senate.

Of course, the Speaker said outright that they wouldn't do a damned thing on the Bill. And Pres Obama told him, fine, I will act on it through Executive Action.

The GOP in the House is just a pile of over-ripe dog shit. They aren't doing their job of governing. They started this crap. And I'm really sorry that any of them are still there.

[Lois]

The President has made me proud by moving to protect families.


Crowd Gathers Outside White House To Support Obama On Immigration

WASHINGTON -- Immigration reform advocates bundled up and headed to the White House on a chilly Thursday night, standing outside to support President Barack Obama as he announced relief for millions of undocumented immigrants.

A small crowd began gathering about an hour before the president's prime-time address, with many members from pro-immigration reform groups like United We Dream and the Center for Community Change.

As Obama spoke, people huddled in groups and watched the address on iPads and iPhones. Once it was over, they erupted in cheers, and supporters began chanting, "Si se pudo" ("Yes, we could"), "Obama, amigo, el Pueblo esta contigo" ("Obama, friend, the public is with you") and "U-S-A."

Many people were holding signs saying "Gracias Presidente Obama" and posing for photos with them.

Obama announced Thursday night that because Congress has failed to pass immigration reform, he was using his executive authority to help more than 4 million undocumented immigrants come out of the shadows and live in the United States legally.

The executive action will protect parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent children, as well as those who came to the U.S. as children and others with longstanding ties to the country, from being forced out.

The move is the boldest action Obama has taken on immigration, and for many in the Latino community and immigration reform movement, it's long overdue

"We see that this step is a partial victory for the immigrant rights movement, knowing that this is a longer struggle, knowing that the ultimate goal is comprehensive immigration reform," said David Kimball, the national field director for the Center for Community Change, who was one of the advocates outside the White House.

"Our plans are to continue to put pressure on both the Congress and the president to implement the reforms that are passed today," Kimball added. "We will strongly push against those who attempt to defund or derail or somehow undo what happened today."

The major broadcast networks -- ABC, CBS and NBC -- did not carry Obama's immigration speech.

The Spanish-language stations were more interested in the developments. Both Telemundo and Univision aired the president's announcement live, with Univision delaying the start of the the Latin Grammys for the speech. CNN, Fox, MSNBC and PBS also aired the address.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/20/obama-immigration-announcement_n_6195958.html