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on: November 11, 2014, 09:32:39 PM

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Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
I am calling my senator tomorrow to register my opposition to senator Cruz's position. Senator Cruz is my senator.

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Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 01:24:05 AM
Quote from: Katiebee on November 12, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
Senator Cruz is my senator.

I'm sorry.

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Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 01:36:52 AM
Quote from: Athos_131 on November 12, 2014, 01:24:05 AM
Quote from: Katiebee on November 12, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
Senator Cruz is my senator.

I'm sorry.
me too. But he is demonstratting one of three traits of politians, maybe all three simultaneously.

1. Ignorance
2. Stupidity
3. Hatred of the policies he supports.
 (In this instance free enterprise)
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 01:42:27 AM by Katiebee »

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Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
Broadband as a public utility? Even in my way too leftists socialist country we don't have that. We do have 'goverment oversight' to see to it that telecom providers do not make secret business pacts and keep prices artificially high and not adhere to the 'economic demand laws', but that's it. The government sees to it that everybody can have basic access at an affordable price, but if you're willing to pay more, the telecom providers are allowed to offer even faster lanes. And why shouldn't you be able to get a fast lane for paying more?

Basically what I'm understanding here is that Obama wants the opposite. Everybody at the same speed, but no price regulation? Doesn't make any sense to me. Or am I getting this wrong?


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Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
No, our ISPs are getting into being content providers as well as being access providers. They want to penalize their customers for wanting to access content from others who are in competition with their content.

In other words, the ISP wants to restrain our choice of content in favor of their business partners or their own content.

It's like renting a house, and the renter then being forced to pay more if they furnish it with articles from a store that the owner doesn't have a business arrangement with.

It is a restraint of free trade and enterprise. If I subscribe to Netflix and want to watch movies streamed from them, my ISP should not be allowed to reduce speed of my internet, which I have contracted with them, and paid for, just because they are also offering a streaming service which I could also use, but choose not to. My contract for content is separate from my contract for access.


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Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 03:23:50 PM
Fun to see the likes of Comcast, Verizon and AT&T go against other big businesses like HBO, Google and Netflix.  Which lobbying group will win?

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Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: Katiebee on November 12, 2014, 01:34:09 PM

It is a restraint of free trade and enterprise. If I subscribe to Netflix and want to watch movies streamed from them, my ISP should not be allowed to reduce speed of my internet, which I have contracted with them, and paid for, just because they are also offering a streaming service which I could also use, but choose not to. My contract for content is separate from my contract for access.



This is the crux of the issue.  If you use any sort of service from browsing to streaming to gaming, be throttled or blocked is completely unfair business practice.  The internet has become a utility as important as your telephone.

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Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 03:38:21 PM
The Utility issue is not the only one.

Remember that Republicans have repeatedly said they want to remove all porn from the internet.  This would mean places like KB as well.


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Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: Bexy on November 12, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
The government sees to it that everybody can have basic access at an affordable price, but if you're willing to pay more, the telecom providers are allowed to offer even faster lanes. And why shouldn't you be able to get a fast lane for paying more?



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Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 04:12:06 PM

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Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/11/what-barack-obamas-call-for-net-neutrality-means-for-canadians/

It makes sense to me, but many things do at face value, until someone more knowledgeable comes along and points out something I haven't considered. Any pro's or cons to be discussed?

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Reply #12 on: November 12, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: Katiebee on November 12, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
No, our ISPs are getting into being content providers as well as being access providers. They want to penalize their customers for wanting to access content from others who are in competition with their content.

In other words, the ISP wants to restrain our choice of content in favor of their business partners or their own content.

It's like renting a house, and the renter then being forced to pay more if they furnish it with articles from a store that the owner doesn't have a business arrangement with.

It is a restraint of free trade and enterprise. If I subscribe to Netflix and want to watch movies streamed from them, my ISP should not be allowed to reduce speed of my internet, which I have contracted with them, and paid for, just because they are also offering a streaming service which I could also use, but choose not to. My contract for content is separate from my contract for access.



Aha, thank you for explaining. I had no idea this was going on. It's not happened in my country (yet).


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Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: Katiebee on November 12, 2014, 01:36:52 AM
But he is demonstratting one of three traits of politians, maybe all three simultaneously.
1. Ignorance
2. Stupidity
3. Hatred of the policies he supports.
 (In this instance free enterprise)

But...but...he is Saving America!! 

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/12/3591527/there-is-now-a-coloring-book-for-children-called-ted-cruz-saves-america/

Awful lot of similarities to how kids were "indoctrinated" with propaganda back in the lead up to WWII in Germany... (Had to stir up the Jewish hate somehow).
It takes a bit to remove the logical thinking centers of an entire generation...but they're trying.

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